As long as we have a Communist Fifth Column, how can we any more tell any of our young men and women they are "fighting for freedom"? We won the battle in Vietnam. We had a signed peace treaty which was earned by battlefield success. The war was over and we won. Then Nixon was undermined in what I personally believe was a CIA operation, …
As long as we have a Communist Fifth Column, how can we any more tell any of our young men and women they are "fighting for freedom"? We won the battle in Vietnam. We had a signed peace treaty which was earned by battlefield success. The war was over and we won. Then Nixon was undermined in what I personally believe was a CIA operation, but which was certainly a Democrat led political war of aggression, and we retreated. We retreated from a war we had won at the cost of the lives of some 60,000 young men, and hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese were subsequently murdered in cold blood, million of families were ripped apart--the parents sent to work and reeducation camps, the children to indoctrination in the North--and all the hippies and "peaceniks" who had unwittingly done so much to destroy South Vietnam took to cocaine and discos.
And Iraq? We CREATED ISIS. Obama trained and funded them when they were still for a brief period inaccurately called "freedom fighters", so they could overthrow Assad in Syria, as part of our long and to me still incomprehensible war with Russia, whose proxy Assad is and remains in that region.
Afghanistan? We not only retreated from a war we had won, not only left billions in military hardware, but left large piles of CASH. And we snuck out in the middle of the night, without even telling our putative allies. It was disgusting and ignominious.
Who runs this damn country? It is not people who love our way of life and freedom. I would not want either of my kids serving in the military, and am a staunch patriot, at least as far as the ideals of this country go.
This program was a disaster. Just imagine how much worse a Syrian refugee crisis could have gotten. Its destabilizing effects were already extreme, and minority populations (esp Christian and Yazidi) continue to be hard hit
Yes!! Thanks for posting. There is--or was, since these things tend to disappear at least from YouTube--a video of John Kerry talking with I guess non-psychotic Syrian dissidents in I think 2015, saying that the goal was not and never was to fight ISIS, but rather regime change.
The best explanation of this otherwise irrational obsession with Assad I have seen is that the Gulf States wanted to open up natural gas pipelines through Syria and ultimately to the European market. We supported this both because they were paying us, and because for reasons that are unclear to me the Deep State hates Russia, and that would have been direct competition.
The sheer evil of this scheme is impossible for me personally to imagine. I am growing increasingly inclined to see the CIA more or less as a global shit stirrer, whose aim it is to provoke conflicts that can then create profit opportunities both for banks and arms manufacturers and dealers. They don't really care who is fighting who or why, as long as somebody, preferably both sides, are buying arms and taking out loans to do it.
Looked at through this prism, the past 70 years starts making a whole lot more sense.
Nixon was undermined by 2 things (in no order) A. The Media Hated Him (Every bit as much as Donald Trump) B. His personality (he really wasn't a People Person). If you think he EVER forgot or forgave losing the Governors Race in Ca. Think Again C. The Right Didn't support him like they should have. Wage & Price Controls was a real Deal Killer.
"ISIS was created by Islam. America did not create Islam.
The Afghanistan war was folly. Creating a democracy in a Muslim country is Sisyphusian."
Couple of thoughts
The thing people Really need to understand is there is a war going on Inside Islam. (sources on request), We are merely collateral damage.
Democracy in a Muslim country. may I recommend, Indonesia? Pre 1979 Afghanistan had Something Like a Democracy. By that I mean the Leaders had to listen to The People...or else.
The Real problem with Afghanistan and Iraq was two fold 1. A failure to really understand the culture of the county (Particularly true in Afghanistan Tribes Tribes Tribes) 2. The Bush Administration Never really explained to America,why we invaded/liberated Iraq (Several Very Good Reason Why. Saddam was a really REALLY Bad Guy) Oh yes, every couple of weeks someone would go on the Sunday Talking Head Shows and make the case. Meanwhile day after day after day after day we get 2 killed here 3 killed there, with no response from the administration.
As The Marines were taking Baghdad I 1st asked my 3 small simple questions 1. What Do You What? 2. How Do You Get it? 3 THEN WHAT HAPPENS?
I COULD go on and on and on (this being one of my obsession)
You sound anti-American.
Anti-American? I would not go that far. Angry, yes and with some reason. But Anti-American?
I read history. Where do you get your information? It sounds like a much happier place.
Ignorance certainly does seem to have much to commend it, and manifestly it can and often is practiced with as much or more diligence than wisdom and knowledge.
I support American ideals. This includes despising and calling out public lies, particularly regarding wars in which we asked American kids to die.
Your understanding of the history of ISIS is wrong. It is also anti-American. 1999 preceded 2003.
…………………..
Islamic State
Also known as IS, ISIS, ISIL, Daesh
Founder Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
The Islamic State (IS),[143] also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; /ˈaɪsɪl/), Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS; /ˈaɪsɪs/),[144][145] and by its Arabic acronym Da'ish[146][147] or Daesh (داعش, Dāʿish, IPA: [ˈdaːʕɪʃ]),[148] is a militant Islamist group and former unrecognized quasi-state[149][150][151][152][153] that follows the Salafi jihadist branch of Sunni Islam.[154] It was founded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in 1999 and gained global prominence in 2014, when it drove Iraqi security forces out of key cities during the Anbar campaign,[155] ….
That's astonishing: you managed to successfully conduct a Control C/Control V. Now if only someone would teach you what to copy and what to paste. In principle we have schools for that, but most of them fail, don't they?
You know what? That response was so puerile I'm not even going to bother with a substantive reply.
You found it puerile that I demonstrated that your claim that America created ISIS was false. Reiterating, ISIS was created by Al Zarqawi in 1999. This was four years before the United States invaded Iraq. You should be thanking me for correcting you.
Why would you remember me from law school when we had Mrs. Danner right after lunch in 8th grade? You were always a bit late and were usually wearing an Ozzie Osborne or Van Halen t-shitt.
I will wonder aloud if there is a reading equivalent of being hard of hearing. Dysgraphia perhaps? But of course that would explain a lot.
You ignored nearly everything I wrote, didn't you? Did I say that making Iraq a democracy was a worthwhile goal? No. Was that even our stated aim going in? No: it was to prevent someone with a long history of aggressive war making from getting nuclear weapons. That was the story we were told, in any event.
What I said, or rather what anyone actually familiar with the history would have understood, was that after some five years of hard fighting we had peace, then created a new enemy.
As a bar acquainance was once told by a CCT friend of his, when he first went to Iraq he went everywhere with his M-4 and full kit. Then after a while, he just took a fully loaded side arm with reloads. Then after a while he just took the sidearm with one magazine and felt safe. That was about 2010, 2011.
Then ISIS was created in Syria by our people--the CIA and people they hired--and the whole thing was plunged into horror again. Medecins Sans Frontieres was reporting in 2012 that people we were funding were sawing the arms and legs off of little girls, and were openly seeking an Islamist State in Syria.
Did you not read about that? Oh. Interesting. I wonder, just wonder, how that is possible? I haven't a clue. It was a major story.
And Benghazi was a weapon smuggling operation. We only found out about the secret compound after CIA operatives defied direct orders to try and rescue the Ambassador, who was supposed to be left to die. That's my understanding. Those weapons were leaving Libya and going to what became ISIS.
And I could go on, but why? You are not serious. I get that. I didn't post this for you. Every point I made I can buttress from personal knowledge. I don't need to look anything up, although in the interest of full diligence sometimes I still do. My memory is very good, and these things matter A LOT to me.
Think about it: Nobel Peace Laureate recipient Barack Hussein Obama was funding people he knew were torturing little girls to death in front of their parents. Obviously if I read about it, he could have too.
I did not find one falsehood in Mr. Cooper's comment. To the contrary, he spoke inconvenient truths. Was there glory in the horribly botched nation building exercises in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why is Jane Fonda enjoying fame and riches when she gave aid and comfort to an enemy that went on to butcher their own people? Why are we allowing the CIA - incompetents except when it comes to spying on Americans - to create havoc all over the world while getting nothing right? Patriotism involves realism about the best interests of America's people. That's what our soldiers have - and are - dying for. They deserve better than to be ill used by our government.
As long as we have a Communist Fifth Column, how can we any more tell any of our young men and women they are "fighting for freedom"? We won the battle in Vietnam. We had a signed peace treaty which was earned by battlefield success. The war was over and we won. Then Nixon was undermined in what I personally believe was a CIA operation, but which was certainly a Democrat led political war of aggression, and we retreated. We retreated from a war we had won at the cost of the lives of some 60,000 young men, and hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese were subsequently murdered in cold blood, million of families were ripped apart--the parents sent to work and reeducation camps, the children to indoctrination in the North--and all the hippies and "peaceniks" who had unwittingly done so much to destroy South Vietnam took to cocaine and discos.
And Iraq? We CREATED ISIS. Obama trained and funded them when they were still for a brief period inaccurately called "freedom fighters", so they could overthrow Assad in Syria, as part of our long and to me still incomprehensible war with Russia, whose proxy Assad is and remains in that region.
Afghanistan? We not only retreated from a war we had won, not only left billions in military hardware, but left large piles of CASH. And we snuck out in the middle of the night, without even telling our putative allies. It was disgusting and ignominious.
Who runs this damn country? It is not people who love our way of life and freedom. I would not want either of my kids serving in the military, and am a staunch patriot, at least as far as the ideals of this country go.
Wake up, people. It's late in the evening.
This program was a disaster. Just imagine how much worse a Syrian refugee crisis could have gotten. Its destabilizing effects were already extreme, and minority populations (esp Christian and Yazidi) continue to be hard hit
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html
Unfortunately at least one NATO ally continues to fund and "rebrand" AQ /IS and send its mercenaries around the world (Turkey)
Yes!! Thanks for posting. There is--or was, since these things tend to disappear at least from YouTube--a video of John Kerry talking with I guess non-psychotic Syrian dissidents in I think 2015, saying that the goal was not and never was to fight ISIS, but rather regime change.
The best explanation of this otherwise irrational obsession with Assad I have seen is that the Gulf States wanted to open up natural gas pipelines through Syria and ultimately to the European market. We supported this both because they were paying us, and because for reasons that are unclear to me the Deep State hates Russia, and that would have been direct competition.
The sheer evil of this scheme is impossible for me personally to imagine. I am growing increasingly inclined to see the CIA more or less as a global shit stirrer, whose aim it is to provoke conflicts that can then create profit opportunities both for banks and arms manufacturers and dealers. They don't really care who is fighting who or why, as long as somebody, preferably both sides, are buying arms and taking out loans to do it.
Looked at through this prism, the past 70 years starts making a whole lot more sense.
Barry Cooper
Nixon was undermined by his own people.
ISIS was created by Islam. America did not create Islam.
The Afghanistan war was folly. Creating a democracy in a Muslim country is Sisyphusian.
You sound anti-American.
1Nixon was undermined by his own people.
Nixon was undermined by 2 things (in no order) A. The Media Hated Him (Every bit as much as Donald Trump) B. His personality (he really wasn't a People Person). If you think he EVER forgot or forgave losing the Governors Race in Ca. Think Again C. The Right Didn't support him like they should have. Wage & Price Controls was a real Deal Killer.
"ISIS was created by Islam. America did not create Islam.
The Afghanistan war was folly. Creating a democracy in a Muslim country is Sisyphusian."
Couple of thoughts
The thing people Really need to understand is there is a war going on Inside Islam. (sources on request), We are merely collateral damage.
Democracy in a Muslim country. may I recommend, Indonesia? Pre 1979 Afghanistan had Something Like a Democracy. By that I mean the Leaders had to listen to The People...or else.
The Real problem with Afghanistan and Iraq was two fold 1. A failure to really understand the culture of the county (Particularly true in Afghanistan Tribes Tribes Tribes) 2. The Bush Administration Never really explained to America,why we invaded/liberated Iraq (Several Very Good Reason Why. Saddam was a really REALLY Bad Guy) Oh yes, every couple of weeks someone would go on the Sunday Talking Head Shows and make the case. Meanwhile day after day after day after day we get 2 killed here 3 killed there, with no response from the administration.
As The Marines were taking Baghdad I 1st asked my 3 small simple questions 1. What Do You What? 2. How Do You Get it? 3 THEN WHAT HAPPENS?
I COULD go on and on and on (this being one of my obsession)
You sound anti-American.
Anti-American? I would not go that far. Angry, yes and with some reason. But Anti-American?
I read history. Where do you get your information? It sounds like a much happier place.
Ignorance certainly does seem to have much to commend it, and manifestly it can and often is practiced with as much or more diligence than wisdom and knowledge.
I support American ideals. This includes despising and calling out public lies, particularly regarding wars in which we asked American kids to die.
Barry Cooper
Your understanding of the history of ISIS is wrong. It is also anti-American. 1999 preceded 2003.
…………………..
Islamic State
Also known as IS, ISIS, ISIL, Daesh
Founder Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
The Islamic State (IS),[143] also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; /ˈaɪsɪl/), Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS; /ˈaɪsɪs/),[144][145] and by its Arabic acronym Da'ish[146][147] or Daesh (داعش, Dāʿish, IPA: [ˈdaːʕɪʃ]),[148] is a militant Islamist group and former unrecognized quasi-state[149][150][151][152][153] that follows the Salafi jihadist branch of Sunni Islam.[154] It was founded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in 1999 and gained global prominence in 2014, when it drove Iraqi security forces out of key cities during the Anbar campaign,[155] ….
That's astonishing: you managed to successfully conduct a Control C/Control V. Now if only someone would teach you what to copy and what to paste. In principle we have schools for that, but most of them fail, don't they?
You know what? That response was so puerile I'm not even going to bother with a substantive reply.
Barry Cooper
You found it puerile that I demonstrated that your claim that America created ISIS was false. Reiterating, ISIS was created by Al Zarqawi in 1999. This was four years before the United States invaded Iraq. You should be thanking me for correcting you.
I'm pretty sure I sat next to you in 8th grade social studies. It's funny: you never know who will be memorable and why.
What school was that? I don’t recall you from law school.
Why would you remember me from law school when we had Mrs. Danner right after lunch in 8th grade? You were always a bit late and were usually wearing an Ozzie Osborne or Van Halen t-shitt.
I will wonder aloud if there is a reading equivalent of being hard of hearing. Dysgraphia perhaps? But of course that would explain a lot.
You should quit while you’re behind.
Ouch!!
To the contrary. Part of being a patriot is being a realist.
There is nothing realistic in Barry Cooper’s comment. What Islamic country is democratic?
1. Define Democratic? 2. Ever hear of Indonesia?
Ever hear of doing some reading. It is minimalist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Indonesia
Well if it is in Wikipedia it MUST be true.
You ignored nearly everything I wrote, didn't you? Did I say that making Iraq a democracy was a worthwhile goal? No. Was that even our stated aim going in? No: it was to prevent someone with a long history of aggressive war making from getting nuclear weapons. That was the story we were told, in any event.
What I said, or rather what anyone actually familiar with the history would have understood, was that after some five years of hard fighting we had peace, then created a new enemy.
As a bar acquainance was once told by a CCT friend of his, when he first went to Iraq he went everywhere with his M-4 and full kit. Then after a while, he just took a fully loaded side arm with reloads. Then after a while he just took the sidearm with one magazine and felt safe. That was about 2010, 2011.
Then ISIS was created in Syria by our people--the CIA and people they hired--and the whole thing was plunged into horror again. Medecins Sans Frontieres was reporting in 2012 that people we were funding were sawing the arms and legs off of little girls, and were openly seeking an Islamist State in Syria.
Did you not read about that? Oh. Interesting. I wonder, just wonder, how that is possible? I haven't a clue. It was a major story.
And Benghazi was a weapon smuggling operation. We only found out about the secret compound after CIA operatives defied direct orders to try and rescue the Ambassador, who was supposed to be left to die. That's my understanding. Those weapons were leaving Libya and going to what became ISIS.
And I could go on, but why? You are not serious. I get that. I didn't post this for you. Every point I made I can buttress from personal knowledge. I don't need to look anything up, although in the interest of full diligence sometimes I still do. My memory is very good, and these things matter A LOT to me.
Think about it: Nobel Peace Laureate recipient Barack Hussein Obama was funding people he knew were torturing little girls to death in front of their parents. Obviously if I read about it, he could have too.
That is the world we actually live in.
I did not find one falsehood in Mr. Cooper's comment. To the contrary, he spoke inconvenient truths. Was there glory in the horribly botched nation building exercises in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why is Jane Fonda enjoying fame and riches when she gave aid and comfort to an enemy that went on to butcher their own people? Why are we allowing the CIA - incompetents except when it comes to spying on Americans - to create havoc all over the world while getting nothing right? Patriotism involves realism about the best interests of America's people. That's what our soldiers have - and are - dying for. They deserve better than to be ill used by our government.
Not one falsehood. Good for you Bruce. Confession is good for the soul.
All confession, or just voluntary confession with respect to things you have actually done?