"Republicans who helped nurture vaccine skepticism"
I vaguely remember an overwhelming number of Democrats saying they would not take the vaccine when Trump was in office. Ross needs to lay off the drugs/Kool aid.
"Republicans who helped nurture vaccine skepticism"
I vaguely remember an overwhelming number of Democrats saying they would not take the vaccine when Trump was in office. Ross needs to lay off the drugs/Kool aid.
Sorry, Elon, but your recollection of what they said is erroneous. Democrats up to and including Biden said they would not take a vaccine solely on Trump's say-so, but would if the professionals agreed it was safe. A wise policy given how many times Trump has lied in his career.
WS..Sorry, Quote by Harris "If Donald Trump tells us to take it (vac) then I (Harris) am not taking IT". No mention of "Solely", solely did not show.
And...what would it matter if Trumpty Told "A" lie or not. Can You see that She turns OFF her dolt followers, by her remarks?..if not fine.
So ...Columbus really did not discover anything because he told a lie, and and and babe Ruth didn't hit any homers, because he lied...okaaaa, i see what you mean.
Your quote is cherrypicked and therefore highly misleading. Here is the entire quote from Harris, courtesy Politifact:
Harris was asked in an Oct. 7, 2020, vice presidential debate if she would take a vaccine if the Trump administration approved one. Referring to the leading government epidemiologist Dr. Anthony Fauci, she said:
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, IтАЩll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, IтАЩm not taking it."
As for your "What does it matter if Trump told a lie?" Are you serious? The entire point of Harris and Biden not taking Trump's word on vaccine safety is his proven history of lying through his teeth.
WS...so funny, don't mean to embarrass...but you said they (Harris/Joey) did not say "I am not taking IT" and now you send me the above Quote that states "I'm not taking it" you say this is the quote from Harris...Sounds like you try to emulate your girl , TV host, the glamorous Rachel Madhouse...so fine. thanks.
Why would I be embarrassed? What I said was accurate: Harris said she would get IT when medical professionals, not Trump, said it was safe to do so. The moment medical professionals said "Go ahead," she got her vaccination . . . as did President Biden. Nobody in their right mind takes medical advice from politicians, they wait for the professionals.
Maddow is not "my girl." I don't watch her or any other political entertainers, I get my news from reading it.
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When asked if he trusted the Vaccine being developed under Operation Warp Speed. He then continued to say everything Trump says is a lie and can't be trusted.
Biden, Peolsi, Harris repeatedly used the mis-trust of Trump (based mostly on the false stories presented by the Media/Democrats. Ref: The Democratic Party's fabricated Trump/Russia collusion lies) to transfer mis-trust of the vaccines. Generally, but not always, they would add weasel words like -- Oh, but I trust scientists (because we know it is impossible for scientists to lie or have an agenda) --. PolitiFact referenced ONLY the interviews when they used weasel words but ignored other interviews where they were missing. In short, they are simping for the Biden regime.
But there is 0 doubt, they used political football with the efficacy of the Vaccine to sow distrust of the vaccine development in dozens of interviews.
We also know, scientists (which never lie or have a political agenda) intentionally withheld release of the vaccine studies/approvals until AFTER the election.
Biden/Harris said different things at different times to different reporters, as all politicians do. So we are both correct--or, alternately, you cherry-picked your favorite quote as much as you think I did.
They didn't slam Trump to generate mistrust of the vaccines. They slammed Trump to slam Trump. It was an election year and that's what politicians do--look for every opportunity to hammer their opponents. They should have taken more care to de-link the vaccine from Trump, but anyone who would get a vaccine based only on a president's say-so (any president, including Biden) has a screw loose anyway.
They weren't "weasel words," they were legitimate conditions. I wouldn't get the vaccine solely on Trump's say-so, but would when medical professionals pronounced it good to go. They did, and I got the jab.
Sorry, but Trump needed no help from the Russian collusion story to be mistrusted. His long career of lying, fake drama, and stiffing contractors made me mistrust him long before he even ran for office.
False. That absolutely was a naked attempt to discourage optimism about the vaccine prior to the election.
ZERO people thought the vaccine approval process was going to be Trump giving it the thumbs up. ThatтАЩs totally insane.
ThereтАЩs literally no other reason to say what they said than to give a negative taint to the vaccine. Unless youтАЩre an absolute imbecile who thought that Trump would approve it himself while eating McDonalds. As I said, that is a group of zero people.
Democrat hack Eric Topol is primarily responsible for getting them to hold back the positive data until after the election. ThatтАЩs documented. He should be in prison obviously.
They are imbeciles because for so many of these liberal elite types all you had to do was associate something with Trump for them to always be against it. No matter how stupid they'd go along with anything if convinced that going against it meant being called a Trump supporter. This is the source of so much stupidity that we've seen since 2016.
Vaccine politics? In America? I am shocked, shocked.
Of course their statement was political. So was Trump's decision to not tell Americans how lethal Covid was early-on. I wish they'd all just quit the political bullshit and tell us the truth as soon as they know it. Covid policy is too important to life, limb, and liberty to be used as an election football.
WS...gees, i was about to say nice, that was close. But did they "early-on" know that covid was "lethal"? You know, like before Trumty shut down travel from Chinatown.
Without the Economy, Covid just is not that important to football...yepper.
IтАЩm incredibly cynical. IтАЩm so cynical that I think other people who act cynical are just doing it for show.
Regardless, cynical as I am, delaying a therapy for political reasons during mass death is not only shocking but clearly an atrocity of abnormal scale.
Fairly disturbing that you are hand-waving that level of evilтАж..but not shocking cuz this is the internet.
Then there is plenty of evil going around on both sides of the aisle. We as Americans have no chance of uniting against our common enemy. And we have at least one.
You like to throw around "liar" and "pedantic" as if you know what they mean. Apparently you don't because I am neither one.
My reply accurately reported what Democrats said about the vaccine and Trump in 2020. Some of us are fans of facts, even though you prefer insulting polemics. Here are Kamala Harris's EXACT words:
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, IтАЩll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, IтАЩm not taking it."
She and Biden said exactly what I posted: they wouldn't be willing to take the vaccine JUST on Trump's say-so that it was safe. They'd wait until the professionals weighed in. Details and context:
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The line of argumentation you are using is the height of dishonest pedantry.
Everyone, including you, knows the intent and impact of what they said. You are basically asking us to diagram the sentences as a means of distraction.
Manipulative wordplay does not impact reality. They did what they did and you know it.
Of course they did. They said they would not take a vaccine solely on Trump's say-so, but would if real professionals advised it was safe. That is literally the quote I posted.
I know you rely on polemics to sell your newsletter, but geez, find someone else to practice on.
There have always been hippie lefties who have rejected vaccines. That quack, RFK Jr. has been their hero for decades. What's different today is that right-wing media voices are actively nurturing vaccine skepticism. Talk radio hosts and Joe Rogen are highly influential vaccine skeptics. They have audiences totaling tens of millions of Americans. Their influence has resulted in a massive disparity between the death toll in counties that went heavily for Trump and ones that went heavily for Biden. The death toll in Trump counties is about 5.5 times the rate of heavy Biden counties.
For a lot of people right wing just means disagreeing with the left on any issue of importance to them. They're highly tribal. He questioned trans orthodoxy and that's basically a hanging offense.
Apparently, you think my comment about what the left thinks of Joe is correct because you didn't ask.
"HeтАЩs now one of the most consumed media products on the planet. His Spotify deal, estimated at $100 million, speaks to the allure of making audiences feel theyтАЩre in on something subversive."
Well that's a HUGE jump to assume that just because I didn't ask about it, must mean I agree with it.
I have no idea what "the left" thinks about Rogan and I don't care. He offers some things of value and some things of little to no value.
And making audiences feel like they are on to something subversive is what Rogan learned from the left. After all, the left made a boatload of money for 5 years and counting on a number of Trump related hoaxes.
I guess since you didn't answer my question directly must mean you agree that the right doesn't see him as the good shepherd. (turnabout is fair play...)
This virus will run its course and settle into the pantheon of human killers, both natural and self-induced. The skepticism that most concerns me is about the origins of the virus in the face of considerable (though not definitive at this point) evidence of a lab leak and unmonitored GOF research (in violation of prior agreements) at a lab that outside experts considered sub-standard in its safety protocols, and about the destruction of origination data and the disappearance of key players in China. That the world is not willing to stand up to China and demand accountability is the big story. Death toll indeed.
It's not my narrative. It's what actually happened, and I provided the quotes from the transcripts. Not my problem that the facts conflict with your politics.
Ross is one of those conservatives who owes his influence to his willingness to criticize Republicans. So he is almost always going to criticize them more harshly than he will Democrats. The leftists who pay him desire it.
Or as another put it, one of the most over represented on social media and MSM is the тАЬred manтАЭ (overwhelming white) criticizing the Red to curry favor with the Blue crowd.
Exactly. Skepticism is a virtue. Skepticism about pharmaceutical company motives, about federal bureaucrats' motives, about the information disseminated by mainstream media, is not just good but necessary.
That is what people whining "the science, the science" sound like to me - zealots. And the vast majority of them have not a clue how science works - observation, hypothesis, study, conclusion .
The vaccines are effective at preventing people from getting seriously ill and/or dying, contrary to what you claim. Cornell evacuating their campus does not prove your point.
So if the vaccines keep you from getting seriously ill, why did they have to evacuate the campus if the worse that would happen is some infected people would get ill for a few days? Makes no sense at all.
No it absolutely proves my point. Obviously we would all be insane if we decided to play along with some charade where you are passionately devoted to adjusting *my* risk profile by three ten thousandths.
Given that, the only plausible and marginally coherent justification for the тЬЭя╕ПVaccine CrusaderтЬЭя╕П behavior at this point is that they believe we can get back to normal if everyone is vaccinated.
FALSE.
Look at Israel. Look at Cornell. This is hysteria. We are not getting back to normal. Ever.
The only way back to normalcy is to totally eviscerate The Party in 2022 and strip all power away from the goddam lunatics who are still pushing this.
You know what's insane, ignoring the fact that over 800,000 deaths have occurred in the United States from Covid and the death toll of 5.41M worldwide!
So after reading someone's recommendation for RFK's book (maybe yours) about a month ago, I ordered in on Barnes and Noble (trying to give them more business than Amazon. This morning I wondered why I hadn't received it and checked my emails to find that it wouldn't arrive until 1/18--I ordered it a month ago. So, today I cancelled that order and found it on Amazon and it'll arrive tomorrow. I can't wait to read this, but am very worried I'll be sick to my stomach after reading it!
exactly! They clearly don't work beyond a very short period of time and have adverse effects that even the combined efforts of the MSM, gov't, and healthcare-industrial complex cannot hide.
How do you feel about an additional quarter of a million deaths?
"Without a vaccination program, by the end of June 2021 there would have been approximately 279,000 additional deaths and up to 1.25 million additional hospitalizations."
I'm the Poster Boy. Vaxed and boosted in September. Got Covid anyway. Omicron. Like a mild cold. Big deal. Who cares? This shit is over! Hang Fauci and Collins.
But would your Omicron illness have been far worse without the vaxx and booster? They never claimed we wouldn't catch Covid. Only that it would keep us out of the ICU. Which it did in your case.
You must be joking. Grab some videos from early 2021 with Rachel Maddow saying how you won't catch COVID, or our current resident of the White House. They simply changed the narrative when it became clear that the vaccine 1) doesn't prevent you from getting COVID and 2) doesn't prevent you from infecting other people. They changed the narrative at first to "you can't catch it" to "very rare breakthrough cases" to now where "you probably won't die".
I don't watch Maddow, Hannity, Ingraham, Tucker, or any of the other "personalities" who twist news for entertainment and profit, Laura. You're on your own for those televised brain bleeds. And if you have legitimate news links to President Biden saying "if you get the vaccine you will not catch Covid," please post them.
Again with the nastiness. I don't watch those shows either so you need to step off your high horse. We don't even have cable TV. Here is a link to Biden proclaiming you can't get or transmit covid. Watch the video. Noe I'll stop writing to you because I think you are a troll.
What nastiness? I don't like cable TV news entertainers and I said so. (Interesting that you don't watch them either but said I should grab some Maddow videos.)Then I asked you to post any links you have vis a vis Biden, and I said "please." Nothing nasty at all.
I don't troll, though I suppose that's what a troll would say . . .
Actually, they did claim you wouldn't get it if you got vaccinated. Pres. Biden said something to that effect in a speech he probably slurred. Many people still believe that, which is why so many hate wearing masks. It turns out that when health authorities make it up as they go along others lose trust.
Wait...isn't Christmas over now? So is our Christmas truce. But, nah, you're a decent guy, after all. So no snark or snarl.
Isn't that a lot of speculation and wishful thinking on your part? Omicron is mild. And the dose I got was mild. Makes sense. Did the vaccine help? Who knows. But it didn't ward it off, which is what a real vaccine does. And I think you're revising history. The breakthrough cases were news to them, so they pivoted to a new narrative.
You're pretty A-OK yourself, Bruce, so I'm glad it was so mild. I honestly wasn't criticizing, more wondering if I understood the drill correctly: you'll get a milder hit with the vaccine than without, but won't avoid the hit entirely.
Oh, hell, much of Covid and the da vaxx is wishful thinking and speculation---it's too new and fast-changing to have a real handle on it. You may well be right about breakthrough being news to them; I'm not in the weeds on that subset of the story. But it was always my understanding that this vaxx was designed only to "flatten the spike"--keep us out of the hospital--not to prevent us from getting Covid entirely.
Many died with COVID, not from. And many could have been saved if not for incompetence and/or complete suppression of early outpatient treatment with repurposed drugs and the coordinated effort to malign ANYONE who dared challenge the VAX or nothing approach. COVID Mandated Covid Vaxxing children will prove criminal because it is.
We do not know what those 800,000 people died of and we never will. We, as individuals, a society, and a government failed - we panicked and the politicization of the science thereafter forever skewed any objective knowledge to be gained.
Exactly. The federal government agencies strongly encouraged reporting of people who died WITH COVID, not BECAUSE OF COVID. The reimbursement of costs in hospitals was higher if COVID was listed, even if the death was due to a heart attack, or, as in one case, due to a motorcycle crash.
The lack of knowledge continually amazes me. Covid 19 can cause heart failure. To extrapolate the motorcycle incident having a significant impact on the death count of Covid is, as Spock would say, illogical!
Mechanisms of COVID-19-induced heart failure: a short review
Depends on your perspective. I think it is likely lower. The death rate is one of the many, many things that never made sense to me from the outset. As some one else has said in these comments, just tell us the truth. The constantly evolving "expert" instruction is doing far more harm than good. But for what it is worth I think there are things worse than dying. And things worth dying for.
Sure, there are things worth dying for. I agree. But preventable diseases should not be one of them.
I accept 800k as a legitimate death count because while Covid deaths were surely misclassified, that went in both directions, both high and low. So the middle is probably the most accurate: 800,000+. And even if you knock off 25 percent, that's 600,000 dead from Covid. Still a horror show of a virus.
It doesn't depend on my perspective, or yours. There are numbers, data. And the experts are doing their best to tell the truth. But the truth, in scientific terms, is complicated, and it continually evolves. You conservatives don't like reality like this. You like it when things stay the same. I get that. But I like change, too.
This is not correct. The data scatter all over the place. For many countries they are a joke. For example, can anyone possibly believe the WorldOMeter numbers for China?? They have just reached 100,000 total cases over the past two years according to that site! That would more reasonably be the number PER DAY over the past two years. Any NO DEATHS for months in China!!!! And EXACTLY 160,000,000 tests for COVID, unchanged for months despite the massive lockdowns that have been occurring in China.
As someone who has taught statistics and knows a lot about the field, the sensible things is to doubt any result due to statistics. There are many ways to manipulate results and you need to know the underlying process before you can trust the end results. Just remember the rabbitburger in "How to Lie with Statistics"!
There is no need to make a dig on conservatives. That was completely uncalled for. If you want to discuss with people, at least have the decency to bring arguments and not nasty little attacks.
I am no longer sure that we do have the data. Already it has been skewed. There was too much incentive to mark people who died as dying from COVID when it isn't clear that COVID killed them. Earlier in the pandemic I was going to the CDC to get overall mortality in the United States to get the only "true" picture of the mortality rate. I compared it with the mortality rates from the 3 years before and it was somewhat higher but not hugely so. I stopped doing that earlier this year, so I am unsure today how the current mortality in 2021 compares to that of say 2019, 2018 and 2017. The really bad part, is as Lynne says, we will probably never know how many people actually died OF COVID as opposed to died WITH COVID, etc.
I heard a guy explaining how your Helper T-Cells are the ones that choose the type of response your body mounts infection and if you repeatedly bias them (vaccinate over and over) towards the B-Cell antibody response then your Cytotoxic T-Cell response will be diminished overall.
The Cytotoxic T-Cells are the ones that attack cancer and infections in your respiratory tract for example. So basically the vaccine is great for preventing a systemic viral infection once it reaches your blood AKA severe COVIDтАж..but not much else AND you might be giving yourself a form of AIDS with increased risk of cancer.
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It made sense but I still assumed it was fake. Obviously if thatтАЩs true we are due for some severe problems going forward.
Regardless, the vaccines donтАЩt impact transmission so itтАЩs time to move on. The monoclonal treatments last 6 months as a preventative for the vulnerable people who canтАЩt vaccinate so everyone can shove off with that emotionally manipulative argument. IтАЩve heard that about monoclonal antibodies from multiple reputable people including the head of the Vanderbilt Vaccine Center who was on CNBC today so thatтАЩs much more likely to be true than the first thing.
(Although everyone I know whoтАЩs vaccinated keeps getting sick and the Vaccine AIDS thing would explain that)
"Republicans who helped nurture vaccine skepticism"
I vaguely remember an overwhelming number of Democrats saying they would not take the vaccine when Trump was in office. Ross needs to lay off the drugs/Kool aid.
Elon, I don't suppose you have a body of facts to back up your vague memory, do you? Or is this some more manufactured reality?
Sorry, Elon, but your recollection of what they said is erroneous. Democrats up to and including Biden said they would not take a vaccine solely on Trump's say-so, but would if the professionals agreed it was safe. A wise policy given how many times Trump has lied in his career.
WS..Sorry, Quote by Harris "If Donald Trump tells us to take it (vac) then I (Harris) am not taking IT". No mention of "Solely", solely did not show.
And...what would it matter if Trumpty Told "A" lie or not. Can You see that She turns OFF her dolt followers, by her remarks?..if not fine.
So ...Columbus really did not discover anything because he told a lie, and and and babe Ruth didn't hit any homers, because he lied...okaaaa, i see what you mean.
Your quote is cherrypicked and therefore highly misleading. Here is the entire quote from Harris, courtesy Politifact:
Harris was asked in an Oct. 7, 2020, vice presidential debate if she would take a vaccine if the Trump administration approved one. Referring to the leading government epidemiologist Dr. Anthony Fauci, she said:
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, IтАЩll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, IтАЩm not taking it."
As for your "What does it matter if Trump told a lie?" Are you serious? The entire point of Harris and Biden not taking Trump's word on vaccine safety is his proven history of lying through his teeth.
WS...so funny, don't mean to embarrass...but you said they (Harris/Joey) did not say "I am not taking IT" and now you send me the above Quote that states "I'm not taking it" you say this is the quote from Harris...Sounds like you try to emulate your girl , TV host, the glamorous Rachel Madhouse...so fine. thanks.
Why would I be embarrassed? What I said was accurate: Harris said she would get IT when medical professionals, not Trump, said it was safe to do so. The moment medical professionals said "Go ahead," she got her vaccination . . . as did President Biden. Nobody in their right mind takes medical advice from politicians, they wait for the professionals.
Maddow is not "my girl." I don't watch her or any other political entertainers, I get my news from reading it.
False. You have a very revisionist memory of things which can easily be shown to be false.
I don't rely on my memory for these things. I search for and post actual quotes from actual transcripts. What do you bring to the table?
тАЬWhen we finally do, God willing, get a vaccine, whoтАЩs going to take the shot? WhoтАЩs going to take the shot? You going to be the first one to say, тАШPut me тАФ sign me up, they now say itтАЩs OKтАЩ?тАЭ - Joe Biden
When asked if he trusted the Vaccine being developed under Operation Warp Speed. He then continued to say everything Trump says is a lie and can't be trusted.
Biden, Peolsi, Harris repeatedly used the mis-trust of Trump (based mostly on the false stories presented by the Media/Democrats. Ref: The Democratic Party's fabricated Trump/Russia collusion lies) to transfer mis-trust of the vaccines. Generally, but not always, they would add weasel words like -- Oh, but I trust scientists (because we know it is impossible for scientists to lie or have an agenda) --. PolitiFact referenced ONLY the interviews when they used weasel words but ignored other interviews where they were missing. In short, they are simping for the Biden regime.
But there is 0 doubt, they used political football with the efficacy of the Vaccine to sow distrust of the vaccine development in dozens of interviews.
We also know, scientists (which never lie or have a political agenda) intentionally withheld release of the vaccine studies/approvals until AFTER the election.
Biden/Harris said different things at different times to different reporters, as all politicians do. So we are both correct--or, alternately, you cherry-picked your favorite quote as much as you think I did.
They didn't slam Trump to generate mistrust of the vaccines. They slammed Trump to slam Trump. It was an election year and that's what politicians do--look for every opportunity to hammer their opponents. They should have taken more care to de-link the vaccine from Trump, but anyone who would get a vaccine based only on a president's say-so (any president, including Biden) has a screw loose anyway.
They weren't "weasel words," they were legitimate conditions. I wouldn't get the vaccine solely on Trump's say-so, but would when medical professionals pronounced it good to go. They did, and I got the jab.
Sorry, but Trump needed no help from the Russian collusion story to be mistrusted. His long career of lying, fake drama, and stiffing contractors made me mistrust him long before he even ran for office.
False. That absolutely was a naked attempt to discourage optimism about the vaccine prior to the election.
ZERO people thought the vaccine approval process was going to be Trump giving it the thumbs up. ThatтАЩs totally insane.
ThereтАЩs literally no other reason to say what they said than to give a negative taint to the vaccine. Unless youтАЩre an absolute imbecile who thought that Trump would approve it himself while eating McDonalds. As I said, that is a group of zero people.
Democrat hack Eric Topol is primarily responsible for getting them to hold back the positive data until after the election. ThatтАЩs documented. He should be in prison obviously.
nice job...KD, cutting to the chase
KD...absotively, posolutely without the Bagel
They are imbeciles because for so many of these liberal elite types all you had to do was associate something with Trump for them to always be against it. No matter how stupid they'd go along with anything if convinced that going against it meant being called a Trump supporter. This is the source of so much stupidity that we've seen since 2016.
Bob...and here, i thought it was too tough to comprehendo...thanks
Vaccine politics? In America? I am shocked, shocked.
Of course their statement was political. So was Trump's decision to not tell Americans how lethal Covid was early-on. I wish they'd all just quit the political bullshit and tell us the truth as soon as they know it. Covid policy is too important to life, limb, and liberty to be used as an election football.
WS...gees, i was about to say nice, that was close. But did they "early-on" know that covid was "lethal"? You know, like before Trumty shut down travel from Chinatown.
Without the Economy, Covid just is not that important to football...yepper.
IтАЩm incredibly cynical. IтАЩm so cynical that I think other people who act cynical are just doing it for show.
Regardless, cynical as I am, delaying a therapy for political reasons during mass death is not only shocking but clearly an atrocity of abnormal scale.
Fairly disturbing that you are hand-waving that level of evilтАж..but not shocking cuz this is the internet.
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KD indeed, but do not forget "Trumty Lied", it says so , right on my tit-too.
I'm not. See my expanded reply, which I was writing when you posted this. Using Covid for politics is just effing evil.
Then why did the Dems do it so effectively against Trump and so many doofuses buy it? And now Biden's plan is........??????? Duh.
Then there is plenty of evil going around on both sides of the aisle. We as Americans have no chance of uniting against our common enemy. And we have at least one.
Sorry Lynne but the only enemy is the Chinese government that hatched the thing, lied about it, covered it up and spread it.
Yep, Lynne, absolutely. The only enemy we ALL should have is Covid and its defeat. The politics surrounding it should cease.
Which is moronic because obviously Trump wasn't the one in the lab testing and developing the vaccines.
I'm only reporting what Democrats actually said, as opposed to what people think they said.
Nobody is falsely depicting what they said. That is a lie. People are accurately describing the intent and impact of what they said.
In response you are being pedantic in a way that is dishonest.
You like to throw around "liar" and "pedantic" as if you know what they mean. Apparently you don't because I am neither one.
My reply accurately reported what Democrats said about the vaccine and Trump in 2020. Some of us are fans of facts, even though you prefer insulting polemics. Here are Kamala Harris's EXACT words:
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, IтАЩll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, IтАЩm not taking it."
She and Biden said exactly what I posted: they wouldn't be willing to take the vaccine JUST on Trump's say-so that it was safe. They'd wait until the professionals weighed in. Details and context:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/
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The line of argumentation you are using is the height of dishonest pedantry.
Everyone, including you, knows the intent and impact of what they said. You are basically asking us to diagram the sentences as a means of distraction.
Manipulative wordplay does not impact reality. They did what they did and you know it.
"They did what they did and you know it."
Of course they did. They said they would not take a vaccine solely on Trump's say-so, but would if real professionals advised it was safe. That is literally the quote I posted.
I know you rely on polemics to sell your newsletter, but geez, find someone else to practice on.
There have always been hippie lefties who have rejected vaccines. That quack, RFK Jr. has been their hero for decades. What's different today is that right-wing media voices are actively nurturing vaccine skepticism. Talk radio hosts and Joe Rogen are highly influential vaccine skeptics. They have audiences totaling tens of millions of Americans. Their influence has resulted in a massive disparity between the death toll in counties that went heavily for Trump and ones that went heavily for Biden. The death toll in Trump counties is about 5.5 times the rate of heavy Biden counties.
You realize Joe Rogan is NOT a "right-wing media voice"? He is a Bernie supporter.
For a lot of people right wing just means disagreeing with the left on any issue of importance to them. They're highly tribal. He questioned trans orthodoxy and that's basically a hanging offense.
Matt, how dare you to utter such blasphemy about Joe Rogen? Such utterance is a sacrilege. You shall be symbolically burned at the cross!
You've mixed your metaphors. It's "lashed to the cross" and "burned at the stake".
This was my perspective; those on the right think he is the Good Shepherd, those on the left think he's a warlock, hence the burning on the cross.
got it...
why do you think those on the right think he is the good shepherd?
Apparently, you think my comment about what the left thinks of Joe is correct because you didn't ask.
"HeтАЩs now one of the most consumed media products on the planet. His Spotify deal, estimated at $100 million, speaks to the allure of making audiences feel theyтАЩre in on something subversive."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/business/joe-rogan.html
Well that's a HUGE jump to assume that just because I didn't ask about it, must mean I agree with it.
I have no idea what "the left" thinks about Rogan and I don't care. He offers some things of value and some things of little to no value.
And making audiences feel like they are on to something subversive is what Rogan learned from the left. After all, the left made a boatload of money for 5 years and counting on a number of Trump related hoaxes.
I guess since you didn't answer my question directly must mean you agree that the right doesn't see him as the good shepherd. (turnabout is fair play...)
Bullshit
Candis, your post is so informative and knowledgeable!
Now look at the typical age of Trump counties versus Biden counties.
This virus will run its course and settle into the pantheon of human killers, both natural and self-induced. The skepticism that most concerns me is about the origins of the virus in the face of considerable (though not definitive at this point) evidence of a lab leak and unmonitored GOF research (in violation of prior agreements) at a lab that outside experts considered sub-standard in its safety protocols, and about the destruction of origination data and the disappearance of key players in China. That the world is not willing to stand up to China and demand accountability is the big story. Death toll indeed.
See Lisa Curry above, fool
are you from the NYT?
Yep. HeтАЩs addicted to his narrative
It's not my narrative. It's what actually happened, and I provided the quotes from the transcripts. Not my problem that the facts conflict with your politics.
YouтАЩre тАЬfauci-ingтАЭ us. They cast doubt. Full stop.
Ross is one of those conservatives who owes his influence to his willingness to criticize Republicans. So he is almost always going to criticize them more harshly than he will Democrats. The leftists who pay him desire it.
This gets the prize for drilling down to the truth in the fewest words--well done!
Or as another put it, one of the most over represented on social media and MSM is the тАЬred manтАЭ (overwhelming white) criticizing the Red to curry favor with the Blue crowd.
Totally agree. Such a smart take.
Glad it worked here. Sometimes I'm too short with people and it comes off rude lol
He who pays the piper calls the tune
Dothis, Douthat.
Yawn..................
And why is skepticism bad?
Exactly. Skepticism is a virtue. Skepticism about pharmaceutical company motives, about federal bureaucrats' motives, about the information disseminated by mainstream media, is not just good but necessary.
At this point it seems clear that the vaccines are nurturing vaccine skepticism.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
Okay so whatтАЩs 7 x 0.001?
Cornell is fully vaccinated and they evacuated their campus. Your position is indistinguishable from the worst version of religious zealotry.
That is what people whining "the science, the science" sound like to me - zealots. And the vast majority of them have not a clue how science works - observation, hypothesis, study, conclusion .
The vaccines are effective at preventing people from getting seriously ill and/or dying, contrary to what you claim. Cornell evacuating their campus does not prove your point.
So if the vaccines keep you from getting seriously ill, why did they have to evacuate the campus if the worse that would happen is some infected people would get ill for a few days? Makes no sense at all.
In essence, drama queens. Follow Michael Tracy on twitter....he has been reporting on the gross, unnecessary over-reaction by colleges.
And what is being done to school children, in no small part by teacher's union, is criminal.
No it absolutely proves my point. Obviously we would all be insane if we decided to play along with some charade where you are passionately devoted to adjusting *my* risk profile by three ten thousandths.
Given that, the only plausible and marginally coherent justification for the тЬЭя╕ПVaccine CrusaderтЬЭя╕П behavior at this point is that they believe we can get back to normal if everyone is vaccinated.
FALSE.
Look at Israel. Look at Cornell. This is hysteria. We are not getting back to normal. Ever.
The only way back to normalcy is to totally eviscerate The Party in 2022 and strip all power away from the goddam lunatics who are still pushing this.
You know what's insane, ignoring the fact that over 800,000 deaths have occurred in the United States from Covid and the death toll of 5.41M worldwide!
The only virus ever eradicated by vaccination is smallpox, because smallpox had/has no animal reservoir.
Yep. We need more vaccine honesty
*Fauci voice
тАЬWe got a national fevah, and the only cure is more cowbell.тАЭ
Hilarious!
that is funny
For me, after reading RFK Jr's new book, that skepticism has become anger. And it's not just about the COVID vaccine.
So after reading someone's recommendation for RFK's book (maybe yours) about a month ago, I ordered in on Barnes and Noble (trying to give them more business than Amazon. This morning I wondered why I hadn't received it and checked my emails to find that it wouldn't arrive until 1/18--I ordered it a month ago. So, today I cancelled that order and found it on Amazon and it'll arrive tomorrow. I can't wait to read this, but am very worried I'll be sick to my stomach after reading it!
Get a bucket ready... A really big bucket... Never in my wildest dreams did I think respected individuals could be so malicious.
Yeah...I think the endless nightmares are coming to my bedroom! I feel like I need to know and I don't have any reason to distrust RFK.
You wont have to trust rfk Jr. The book is abundantly documented.
You'd definitely want it to stand on it's own.
exactly! They clearly don't work beyond a very short period of time and have adverse effects that even the combined efforts of the MSM, gov't, and healthcare-industrial complex cannot hide.
Very short acting.
I really donтАЩt have strong feelings on the vaccine other than that it CLEARLY does not stop the spread so all of this shit needs to end immediately.
How do you feel about an additional quarter of a million deaths?
"Without a vaccination program, by the end of June 2021 there would have been approximately 279,000 additional deaths and up to 1.25 million additional hospitalizations."
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2021/jul/deaths-and-hospitalizations-averted-rapid-us-vaccination-rollout
Depends.
How do you feel about being lied to? No doubt Covid kills more than the flu but the body count might be overstated by 100%.
https://alachuachronicle.com/death-certificate-review-raises-questions-about-official-number-of-covid-19-deaths/
LOL
Oh please - another garbage model. These things are so easy to pick apart it's laughable.
Denial is a condition that prevents the mind from functioning normally; it seems to be a common disorder on this substack!
I'm the Poster Boy. Vaxed and boosted in September. Got Covid anyway. Omicron. Like a mild cold. Big deal. Who cares? This shit is over! Hang Fauci and Collins.
But would your Omicron illness have been far worse without the vaxx and booster? They never claimed we wouldn't catch Covid. Only that it would keep us out of the ICU. Which it did in your case.
You must be joking. Grab some videos from early 2021 with Rachel Maddow saying how you won't catch COVID, or our current resident of the White House. They simply changed the narrative when it became clear that the vaccine 1) doesn't prevent you from getting COVID and 2) doesn't prevent you from infecting other people. They changed the narrative at first to "you can't catch it" to "very rare breakthrough cases" to now where "you probably won't die".
I don't watch Maddow, Hannity, Ingraham, Tucker, or any of the other "personalities" who twist news for entertainment and profit, Laura. You're on your own for those televised brain bleeds. And if you have legitimate news links to President Biden saying "if you get the vaccine you will not catch Covid," please post them.
Again with the nastiness. I don't watch those shows either so you need to step off your high horse. We don't even have cable TV. Here is a link to Biden proclaiming you can't get or transmit covid. Watch the video. Noe I'll stop writing to you because I think you are a troll.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/10/07/biden_vaccinated_protected_from_covid_cannot_spread_it_to_you.html?jwsource=cl
What nastiness? I don't like cable TV news entertainers and I said so. (Interesting that you don't watch them either but said I should grab some Maddow videos.)Then I asked you to post any links you have vis a vis Biden, and I said "please." Nothing nasty at all.
I don't troll, though I suppose that's what a troll would say . . .
My apologies I misread your post.
Thank you for the link. I appreciate it.
Actually, they did claim you wouldn't get it if you got vaccinated. Pres. Biden said something to that effect in a speech he probably slurred. Many people still believe that, which is why so many hate wearing masks. It turns out that when health authorities make it up as they go along others lose trust.
Wait...isn't Christmas over now? So is our Christmas truce. But, nah, you're a decent guy, after all. So no snark or snarl.
Isn't that a lot of speculation and wishful thinking on your part? Omicron is mild. And the dose I got was mild. Makes sense. Did the vaccine help? Who knows. But it didn't ward it off, which is what a real vaccine does. And I think you're revising history. The breakthrough cases were news to them, so they pivoted to a new narrative.
You're pretty A-OK yourself, Bruce, so I'm glad it was so mild. I honestly wasn't criticizing, more wondering if I understood the drill correctly: you'll get a milder hit with the vaccine than without, but won't avoid the hit entirely.
Oh, hell, much of Covid and the da vaxx is wishful thinking and speculation---it's too new and fast-changing to have a real handle on it. You may well be right about breakthrough being news to them; I'm not in the weeds on that subset of the story. But it was always my understanding that this vaxx was designed only to "flatten the spike"--keep us out of the hospital--not to prevent us from getting Covid entirely.
In any case, I really am glad you're all right.
I thought it would only slow the spread, not stop. But you may well be right. The information seems to change hourly!
It's almost like 800,000 + Americans didn't die from Covid.
Many died with COVID, not from. And many could have been saved if not for incompetence and/or complete suppression of early outpatient treatment with repurposed drugs and the coordinated effort to malign ANYONE who dared challenge the VAX or nothing approach. COVID Mandated Covid Vaxxing children will prove criminal because it is.
Most of them under Brandon. You missed that didn't you?
We do not know what those 800,000 people died of and we never will. We, as individuals, a society, and a government failed - we panicked and the politicization of the science thereafter forever skewed any objective knowledge to be gained.
Exactly. The federal government agencies strongly encouraged reporting of people who died WITH COVID, not BECAUSE OF COVID. The reimbursement of costs in hospitals was higher if COVID was listed, even if the death was due to a heart attack, or, as in one case, due to a motorcycle crash.
The lack of knowledge continually amazes me. Covid 19 can cause heart failure. To extrapolate the motorcycle incident having a significant impact on the death count of Covid is, as Spock would say, illogical!
Mechanisms of COVID-19-induced heart failure: a short review
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10741-020-10037-x
Are you saying those 800,000 pluses didn't have Covid?
I said I do not know and that I believe we will never know.
The number is very likely much higher.
Depends on your perspective. I think it is likely lower. The death rate is one of the many, many things that never made sense to me from the outset. As some one else has said in these comments, just tell us the truth. The constantly evolving "expert" instruction is doing far more harm than good. But for what it is worth I think there are things worse than dying. And things worth dying for.
Sure, there are things worth dying for. I agree. But preventable diseases should not be one of them.
I accept 800k as a legitimate death count because while Covid deaths were surely misclassified, that went in both directions, both high and low. So the middle is probably the most accurate: 800,000+. And even if you knock off 25 percent, that's 600,000 dead from Covid. Still a horror show of a virus.
The exact death count from Covid 19 isn't significant; what's important is the additional human beings dying and suffering from this disease. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm
https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/just-how-do-deaths-due-covid-19-stack
It doesn't depend on my perspective, or yours. There are numbers, data. And the experts are doing their best to tell the truth. But the truth, in scientific terms, is complicated, and it continually evolves. You conservatives don't like reality like this. You like it when things stay the same. I get that. But I like change, too.
This is not correct. The data scatter all over the place. For many countries they are a joke. For example, can anyone possibly believe the WorldOMeter numbers for China?? They have just reached 100,000 total cases over the past two years according to that site! That would more reasonably be the number PER DAY over the past two years. Any NO DEATHS for months in China!!!! And EXACTLY 160,000,000 tests for COVID, unchanged for months despite the massive lockdowns that have been occurring in China.
As someone who has taught statistics and knows a lot about the field, the sensible things is to doubt any result due to statistics. There are many ways to manipulate results and you need to know the underlying process before you can trust the end results. Just remember the rabbitburger in "How to Lie with Statistics"!
There is no need to make a dig on conservatives. That was completely uncalled for. If you want to discuss with people, at least have the decency to bring arguments and not nasty little attacks.
I am no longer sure that we do have the data. Already it has been skewed. There was too much incentive to mark people who died as dying from COVID when it isn't clear that COVID killed them. Earlier in the pandemic I was going to the CDC to get overall mortality in the United States to get the only "true" picture of the mortality rate. I compared it with the mortality rates from the 3 years before and it was somewhat higher but not hugely so. I stopped doing that earlier this year, so I am unsure today how the current mortality in 2021 compares to that of say 2019, 2018 and 2017. The really bad part, is as Lynne says, we will probably never know how many people actually died OF COVID as opposed to died WITH COVID, etc.
Nope.They are busy priming the pump for a booster every month now, while still have enough sheep on board to make it happen.
I heard a guy explaining how your Helper T-Cells are the ones that choose the type of response your body mounts infection and if you repeatedly bias them (vaccinate over and over) towards the B-Cell antibody response then your Cytotoxic T-Cell response will be diminished overall.
The Cytotoxic T-Cells are the ones that attack cancer and infections in your respiratory tract for example. So basically the vaccine is great for preventing a systemic viral infection once it reaches your blood AKA severe COVIDтАж..but not much else AND you might be giving yourself a form of AIDS with increased risk of cancer.
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It made sense but I still assumed it was fake. Obviously if thatтАЩs true we are due for some severe problems going forward.
Regardless, the vaccines donтАЩt impact transmission so itтАЩs time to move on. The monoclonal treatments last 6 months as a preventative for the vulnerable people who canтАЩt vaccinate so everyone can shove off with that emotionally manipulative argument. IтАЩve heard that about monoclonal antibodies from multiple reputable people including the head of the Vanderbilt Vaccine Center who was on CNBC today so thatтАЩs much more likely to be true than the first thing.
(Although everyone I know whoтАЩs vaccinated keeps getting sick and the Vaccine AIDS thing would explain that)
Your offhand comment, тАЬ...vaccines donтАЩt impact transmission...тАЭ, Is another piece of false information that adds to the death toll.
You're completely mislead and don't see what happening. Countries with 90-100% vaccination leading the COVID transmission pack.
The two best COVID stats are as follows:
1) тАШall cause mortalityтАЩ for those classified as seniors in the US is up 71% this year. That group is 99.1% vaccinated
2) nearly half of the deaths in SwedenтАЩs initial wave were Somali immigrants who skew young and make up 1% of the population
Yeah the vaccine has really slowed the spread.
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Your brainless comment is enlightening, not to the subject, but to you, looking like a dolt! Maybe my expectations were too high!
Make sure to pull your mask back up in between bites. In order to save lives. With science.