"I know that America has its share of problems, chief among them racism."
Let me challenge you. Look at your position. Look what you have accomplished. Look at your teammates, all of which are in the top 0.1% of society. How can you believe what you just wrote?
This is not to say racism does not exist but to say it is among the…
"I know that America has its share of problems, chief among them racism."
Let me challenge you. Look at your position. Look what you have accomplished. Look at your teammates, all of which are in the top 0.1% of society. How can you believe what you just wrote?
This is not to say racism does not exist but to say it is among the top issues (I assume you believe it is rampant given your use of the phrase "chief among them") is easily falsified in your own personal experience.
Since very very few people are openly racist these days, most of the racists you encounter will be racist in a less blatant way. Not with racial slurs and the like.
The problem is that this racist behavior will now manifest itself the exact same way that jerk behavior manifests, and there are a SHITLOAD of jerks.
*points at myself subtly
Anyways, this results in people believing that everyone who is a jerk is really a racist which is insane because 40% of everyone is a jerk. So the 2% racists now appear like 40% and we have a catastrophe on our hands.
I call attention to Candace Owens' testimony before Congress, paraphrasing: "My qualifications to speak about 'systemic racism?' I've been black in America for thirty years, and I can tell you that if I had to list the one hundred top issues facing black Americans, absent fathers and poor schools would be numbers one and two. 'Systemic racism' wouldn't even be in the top 100." Can't improve on that.
Amy Wax was not wrong. Not saying that many poor people don't have valid reasons for their fate - abuse, disease etc - but personal choice is also high on the list. Drugs and alcohol start and continue as personal choice. So does sloth and idleness.
Actually the children born to into the horror story of drug abusing, child-abusing or -neglecting parent or parents is a consequence of the parent's or parents' choices - to use the drugs in the first place and to avoid bringing a child into that hell and letting the child remain there (many, many people have rehabilitated themselves for the love of a child). I do agree that once addicted free will - the ability to choose - is severely impacted but it is not gone, otherwise rehabilitation could never occur. And it does.
The notion that childhood. trauma and mental illness (a chicken or egg dilemma no?) causes addiction does a tremendous disservice to those individuals who succumbed to neither.
My state steps in to help "poor (do you mean economically or compassionately?) children born into abusive families" rather than abandoning them. We have an army of counselors, social workers, investigators and other self-proclaimed do-gooders to monitor such situations and if the accused parents don't comply with family plans set in place the children are removed. The children are placed in a foster care system that is bursting at the seams. Many of the children cannot be placed in temporary shelters and sleep on the floors of the purported child protection agency's office before making their way to a temporary shelter. It is so bad that my state has privitized foster care. And if you think private prisons are bad . . .. IMO the it-takes-a-village idiots deserve much credit for this mess because 1) they oversimplified the solution as liberals/progressives are prone to do - for example making fossil fuel production so hard to accomplish that costs skyrocket and people will be forced to go electric without a modicum of thought to where the batteries come from or how the electricity to power the batteries will be created (we have blackouts now for goodness sake) -and 2) relieved parents of responsibility for their offspring. Stupid, stupid, stupid. For at least 2000 years the capstone of western civilization has been mother and child with the family unit formed to provide for that child and to try to secure a better future for that child than that of the parents - it is a basic human instinct.
And if you really care about addiction as a source of these ills get that derelict president to close the southern border because the amount of fentanyl coming over is enough to kill every man, woman and child in this country - a collaboration of the Mexican cartels and China - and nothing happens in China without party approval.
Great post Lynne, add the human flow of boys and girls necessary to support sex trafficking across the border. But, the orange man wanted to close the border, so we just cannot support that!!
Lynne..should be the last hurrah...nice. People get stuck in their own dimension, makes it difficult to dilate your opinion, but your fossil fuel example will exhibit direct answers...in time.
I would like to challenge you a bit on "We choose to abandon them to their fate." I think it is way too complicated to assert that. The issue comes down to what is the role of the government in the raising of children. I think most would agree that children should not be raised by the government and that parents should have the say over how the children are raised. The problem comes in where we perceive the parents to be abusive. Sometimes it is easy and clear that the parents are abusive because the children are not cared for hardly at all. The tricky bit is where do you draw the line of what is an abusive family. We've seen a judge deny custody to a mother because she refused the COVID vaccine (later rescinded but it does give a good view into a future where judges can say that something is dangerous whether or not it is). What would stop a judge in the future from declaring that homeschooling is abuse or something else that we find completely innocuous now? After seeing the shenanigans over the past year, I put almost 0 trust in our government from controlling itself. I have also had some experience with foster care and challenge you that there aren't supports for families. The foster care system tries very hard to keep families intact where possible and removing children from bad situations until the parents get their act together. My limited experience has been that the people working in social services in those instances are caring and do provide many needed services with the intent to help the child.
I would also challenge you on "addiction is not a choice". I have a lot of addicts in my family (lucky me) and there is absolutely a choice component. I don't dispute that there are genetic and other factors that predispose you to addiction, but if you know you are predisposed to addictions then don't start. Don't drink, don't take drugs, etc. If you made bad choices and are in a full addiction spiral then you have to CHOOSE to get better. That is a key component of every single addiction program I've ever seen (not my specialty but lots of family experience). It is most definitely a choice to get better because if you don't choose, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do for you.
Theo...i like Penny's point, but i do see your point. Around 300,000 black on black murders, not just crime, happened over the last 30 years(US) or so, a point not heard enough.
Actually, they don’t though poor whites do kill at rates higher than many other class based demographics.
This is easy to show. In shear numbers, there are about 19 million whites living in poverty and about 9 million blacks. Note: poverty rates of blacks are about 2x that of whites but there are 4 to 5x more whites in the US than blacks. If poverty causes violent crime, as you alluded, you would expect murder rates of white suspects to be about twice that of black suspects. It simply isn’t.
There is a correlation between poverty and violence but that is not causation. There are tons of examples of communities with high poverty and low homicides.
With respect: I believe you are mistaken. Crime is IMHO not because of a poverty of THINGS, it's a poverty of SPIRIT. I grew up in the poorest part of Appalachia, in the coalfields of West-By-God-Virginia. I literally never saw a black person until I went to a "science camp" in seventh grade. At that time, West Virginia had simultaneously the lowest per-capita income in America, the smallest police force - again per capita - and the nation's lowest crime rate. Drugs are causing problems there now; I visit that area frequently and am appalled at some of the things I see, but overall crime is still low. (Of course, if you ask the people who live there, they attribute it to a "gun behind every door") - but what do they know? They only live there....
The DOJ crime website (always about a year behind due to time needed to compile data) is a pretty good place to get a sense of race and crime in America. it generally only covers cities over 100,000 population, however.
I read Charles Murray's assessment of the data in his most recent book ("Facing Reality"). Murray's analysis definitely contradicts Penny Adrian's claim, which is why I asked her to supply a reference. I think I was mistaken in assuming that she actually had some basis for her claim, that it was more than simply an ideological assertion.
In any case I would like to see a solid empirical refutation of Murray's research if such a thing exists. It's also possible that Penny doesn't understand my request or thinks I am trolling her, which I am not.
Thank you. That's the line that got me, too. So tired of people bleating that racism is a huge problem in the US, the implication being that it's white people spreading it. Well how about this? Racism IS a huge problem in the US. Anti-white racism. It's increasingly taken hold of so many good people -- a half-white half Japanese friend of mine -- whose Japanese father is a surgeon -- who grew up in a mansion in Forest Hills -- just the other day told me he needed to see "brown" people like him in the literature he read in school -- ???? And he's constantly ridiculing "white people" -- but he's married to a white woman! What the HELL is going on???
My half Japanese friend will not stop white bashing either- despite her dad and husband being white We've been friends our whole lives but man it gets tiring. Not to mention that Asian folks are being completely erased by BLM and such, because they're "not really POC's". OK- wake me up when it's time to move to a small island somewhere.
That is what they teach in schools now-a-days. When my current roommate moved in 4 years ago (he was 26 at the time and I was 51), he tried to convince me only whites were capable of being racist because racism requires a system of power and oppression.
They are teaching kids that racism is the same thing as systemic racism allowing any "marginalized group" a free pass on bad behavior.
This is a perfect example of CRT being taught in school. Not the method of "critical analysis" which teaches you how to recognize racism in every single interaction but the "praxis" element.
Penny..."destroying the possibility for any bridge building across racial lines to Achieve economic justice"...right on, and i do see exceptions, such as Winsome Sears, elected in Ge., a strong Bridge Builder along with MLK. She will be great...yep.
The issue isn’t race and racism. Full stop. There is little question we live in the least racist, most diverse society the planet has ever experienced. This doesn’t mean there is no out-group bias but it plays a far far smaller role than many want to believe. Claiming racism is "very devastating" is simply wishful thinking when it is easily falsified.
Likewise the biggest wealth and income disparities which exist are not racial or ethnic, they are based on age. Older people have far more income and wealth than young people. This is why 70% of people will be in the top 20% at some point in their lives. This is why the top 1% have a greater than 50% churn every generation. It is a sad thought process to think income mobility does not exist.
But I agree, getting back to class and away from race is a step we must take.
This reminds me of what Yeonmi Park said about how income inequality is actually a really great thing. The only other way to live is for us all to be desperately poor. The American system is the fairest with regard to balancing opportunity and freedom vs equal outcomes.
Michael Shellenberger has been advocating strongly for how to "fix" the homeless problem because he asserts it is almost exclusively a drug and mental health problem but we are loathe to do the things necessary to fix it. He models his recommendations off what they have done in Europe to deal with the issues and have people get the help that they need. I lived in Europe in the 80's and remember how bad it was in the Netherlands so believe they probably do know how to handle the problem better than we do. He wrote a book called San Fran Sicko but I haven't read it. I have listened to him in podcasts and his proposals seem sound.
What drives me crazy is that we can't ever seem to put on our big boy pants and ignore the idealogues who don't want to look at inconvenient facts and are constantly attacking those who do. If homelessness is a drug problem or a mental health problem, fine. If there is a black crime problem, for God's sake, let's figure it out, but it is not because white people are "racist." My wife used to say that America had two kinds of people: problem-makers and problem-solvers. As one of the problem-solvers, I'm fed-up with being constantly under attack by problem-makers, just because it makes some SJW feel better about herself.
My opinion is and has been for a while that the "racist" part is to intentionally prevent us from getting solutions. If we acknowledged that poverty and crappy education for children are the two top problems without regard to anything else, we could address them and most likely help. I too am a problem solver kind of person so it is infuriating when we can't even have adult conversations about complex issues because....racism. It's a class war where those in power obfuscate that there's a war by simply saying racism.
But most countries in Europe have higher homeless rates than the U.S. specifically Germany, France, Sweden, and The Netherlands. So using them as a model might be a very very bad idea.
Interesting point. I hadn't looked at that angle. I was more concerned about the open air drug markets and ridiculously high crime rates, but you certainly have a valid point.
I'm not sure I understand the term, "economic justice." If it means equal outcomes for everybody, the underlying assumption that unequal outcomes de facto mean "economic injustice," this question has been addressed all the way back to the Founding Fathers, who understood that anything other than Equal Opportunity was the road to perdition. Clearly we have equal opportunity now. Do all people have the same advantages? No, of course not. Ask a kid from the hollers, competing with city kids for admission to medical school. But it's nothing you can't overcome by working harder.
Ditto "poverty." Poverty is different in the eyes of different people, and throwing money at it does nothing. I've been around long enough to see the Great Society and all its downstream effects, and almost without exception they manifest "the road to hell, paved with good intentions."
Seems like most homeless end up that way because of psychological disorders. Are you suggesting blacks are more likely to have psychological disorders?
I went to school in a middle class black city, some students did their work, others didn't. We all had the same teachers and some children succeeded and some decided to smoke pot and not do their homework, it had nothing to do with the color of their skin, rather everything to do with the work ethic of their parents.
Elon...exactly. Going back 30/40 years Phila. had schools that did not let the kids take their books home...not all. But that, to me, was a "Parent" problem.
But...if the parent is under the belief of Nepotism/problem, then that parent is in a fog...and the city leaders might like the Fog.
thanks for stating what should be obvious, Elon. "Race" is a cop out. The real culprit is a lack of values in some homes, and self-destructive reinforcing cultural values. If I'm not clear, spend a few minutes reading some Rap music lyrics, which are both embraced and rejected by people of all skin colors.
Mr. Freedom:
"I know that America has its share of problems, chief among them racism."
Let me challenge you. Look at your position. Look what you have accomplished. Look at your teammates, all of which are in the top 0.1% of society. How can you believe what you just wrote?
This is not to say racism does not exist but to say it is among the top issues (I assume you believe it is rampant given your use of the phrase "chief among them") is easily falsified in your own personal experience.
As always I desire specific fixable problems identified, not “systemic racism”, not “micro-aggressions@
That line got me too, but he is part of a sports franchise that propagates that lie. That was a seriously bad take by Mr. Freedom.
Mr. F...good point and i think that should be a concern, too many Mouths out there, crying, end up hurting their own people.
I call this the Jerk Multiplier™️.
Since very very few people are openly racist these days, most of the racists you encounter will be racist in a less blatant way. Not with racial slurs and the like.
The problem is that this racist behavior will now manifest itself the exact same way that jerk behavior manifests, and there are a SHITLOAD of jerks.
*points at myself subtly
Anyways, this results in people believing that everyone who is a jerk is really a racist which is insane because 40% of everyone is a jerk. So the 2% racists now appear like 40% and we have a catastrophe on our hands.
Credit where credit is due, Kevin--this is a great one.
See you were rewarded for reading through all the smut
😂😂
LOL! Have a pleasant rest of the evening.
KD...you hit the screw on the head.
Damn it Kevin….funny post….but true!
That is the funniest summation of what is happening with racism today. Jerks are everywhere so what the heck are we supposed to do? 😊
We must develop a testing and tracing program to identify and quarantine the jerks. $600 billion.
KD... $600 billion, not enough to even get into the bill. You see...must be enough to hide some
Dude, you’re on a roll.
I call attention to Candace Owens' testimony before Congress, paraphrasing: "My qualifications to speak about 'systemic racism?' I've been black in America for thirty years, and I can tell you that if I had to list the one hundred top issues facing black Americans, absent fathers and poor schools would be numbers one and two. 'Systemic racism' wouldn't even be in the top 100." Can't improve on that.
James...even greater point. thanks. Candace will be a great teacher.
Penny, what is your definition of "economic justice"? What does it look like and how would our society make it happen?
Culture not race.
Amy Wax was not wrong. Not saying that many poor people don't have valid reasons for their fate - abuse, disease etc - but personal choice is also high on the list. Drugs and alcohol start and continue as personal choice. So does sloth and idleness.
Your definitions are ridiculous. Of course, addiction is a choice, just like sobriety
and much of today's homeless population mental illness is the result of drug use. So it is, like addiction, a choice in many though not all cases.
"By definition, addiction is not a choice."???
That isn’t close to true. Addiction ALWAYS started with a personal choice.
Actually the children born to into the horror story of drug abusing, child-abusing or -neglecting parent or parents is a consequence of the parent's or parents' choices - to use the drugs in the first place and to avoid bringing a child into that hell and letting the child remain there (many, many people have rehabilitated themselves for the love of a child). I do agree that once addicted free will - the ability to choose - is severely impacted but it is not gone, otherwise rehabilitation could never occur. And it does.
The notion that childhood. trauma and mental illness (a chicken or egg dilemma no?) causes addiction does a tremendous disservice to those individuals who succumbed to neither.
My state steps in to help "poor (do you mean economically or compassionately?) children born into abusive families" rather than abandoning them. We have an army of counselors, social workers, investigators and other self-proclaimed do-gooders to monitor such situations and if the accused parents don't comply with family plans set in place the children are removed. The children are placed in a foster care system that is bursting at the seams. Many of the children cannot be placed in temporary shelters and sleep on the floors of the purported child protection agency's office before making their way to a temporary shelter. It is so bad that my state has privitized foster care. And if you think private prisons are bad . . .. IMO the it-takes-a-village idiots deserve much credit for this mess because 1) they oversimplified the solution as liberals/progressives are prone to do - for example making fossil fuel production so hard to accomplish that costs skyrocket and people will be forced to go electric without a modicum of thought to where the batteries come from or how the electricity to power the batteries will be created (we have blackouts now for goodness sake) -and 2) relieved parents of responsibility for their offspring. Stupid, stupid, stupid. For at least 2000 years the capstone of western civilization has been mother and child with the family unit formed to provide for that child and to try to secure a better future for that child than that of the parents - it is a basic human instinct.
And if you really care about addiction as a source of these ills get that derelict president to close the southern border because the amount of fentanyl coming over is enough to kill every man, woman and child in this country - a collaboration of the Mexican cartels and China - and nothing happens in China without party approval.
Great post Lynne, add the human flow of boys and girls necessary to support sex trafficking across the border. But, the orange man wanted to close the border, so we just cannot support that!!
Agreed, both as to the trafficking and opposition at any cost to Trump.
Lynne..should be the last hurrah...nice. People get stuck in their own dimension, makes it difficult to dilate your opinion, but your fossil fuel example will exhibit direct answers...in time.
It is another act of war against our country by the CCCP
I would like to challenge you a bit on "We choose to abandon them to their fate." I think it is way too complicated to assert that. The issue comes down to what is the role of the government in the raising of children. I think most would agree that children should not be raised by the government and that parents should have the say over how the children are raised. The problem comes in where we perceive the parents to be abusive. Sometimes it is easy and clear that the parents are abusive because the children are not cared for hardly at all. The tricky bit is where do you draw the line of what is an abusive family. We've seen a judge deny custody to a mother because she refused the COVID vaccine (later rescinded but it does give a good view into a future where judges can say that something is dangerous whether or not it is). What would stop a judge in the future from declaring that homeschooling is abuse or something else that we find completely innocuous now? After seeing the shenanigans over the past year, I put almost 0 trust in our government from controlling itself. I have also had some experience with foster care and challenge you that there aren't supports for families. The foster care system tries very hard to keep families intact where possible and removing children from bad situations until the parents get their act together. My limited experience has been that the people working in social services in those instances are caring and do provide many needed services with the intent to help the child.
I would also challenge you on "addiction is not a choice". I have a lot of addicts in my family (lucky me) and there is absolutely a choice component. I don't dispute that there are genetic and other factors that predispose you to addiction, but if you know you are predisposed to addictions then don't start. Don't drink, don't take drugs, etc. If you made bad choices and are in a full addiction spiral then you have to CHOOSE to get better. That is a key component of every single addiction program I've ever seen (not my specialty but lots of family experience). It is most definitely a choice to get better because if you don't choose, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do for you.
Are you a poster child for liberal madness or do you just play one in real life?
Theo...i like Penny's point, but i do see your point. Around 300,000 black on black murders, not just crime, happened over the last 30 years(US) or so, a point not heard enough.
Actually, they don’t though poor whites do kill at rates higher than many other class based demographics.
This is easy to show. In shear numbers, there are about 19 million whites living in poverty and about 9 million blacks. Note: poverty rates of blacks are about 2x that of whites but there are 4 to 5x more whites in the US than blacks. If poverty causes violent crime, as you alluded, you would expect murder rates of white suspects to be about twice that of black suspects. It simply isn’t.
There is a correlation between poverty and violence but that is not causation. There are tons of examples of communities with high poverty and low homicides.
With respect: I believe you are mistaken. Crime is IMHO not because of a poverty of THINGS, it's a poverty of SPIRIT. I grew up in the poorest part of Appalachia, in the coalfields of West-By-God-Virginia. I literally never saw a black person until I went to a "science camp" in seventh grade. At that time, West Virginia had simultaneously the lowest per-capita income in America, the smallest police force - again per capita - and the nation's lowest crime rate. Drugs are causing problems there now; I visit that area frequently and am appalled at some of the things I see, but overall crime is still low. (Of course, if you ask the people who live there, they attribute it to a "gun behind every door") - but what do they know? They only live there....
James... now to me, what you state is an absolute, word for word.
I have not thought much about it, but imagine if other Societies had their livelihood taken, rough life, but good.
I hope this is true. Do you have a reference you can post that provides data? It would be useful here.
It isn’t true.
Data?
FBI Crime stats. 2019 is a good read.
The DOJ crime website (always about a year behind due to time needed to compile data) is a pretty good place to get a sense of race and crime in America. it generally only covers cities over 100,000 population, however.
I read Charles Murray's assessment of the data in his most recent book ("Facing Reality"). Murray's analysis definitely contradicts Penny Adrian's claim, which is why I asked her to supply a reference. I think I was mistaken in assuming that she actually had some basis for her claim, that it was more than simply an ideological assertion.
In any case I would like to see a solid empirical refutation of Murray's research if such a thing exists. It's also possible that Penny doesn't understand my request or thinks I am trolling her, which I am not.
Maybe because, in the end, they're just "people?"
Thank you. That's the line that got me, too. So tired of people bleating that racism is a huge problem in the US, the implication being that it's white people spreading it. Well how about this? Racism IS a huge problem in the US. Anti-white racism. It's increasingly taken hold of so many good people -- a half-white half Japanese friend of mine -- whose Japanese father is a surgeon -- who grew up in a mansion in Forest Hills -- just the other day told me he needed to see "brown" people like him in the literature he read in school -- ???? And he's constantly ridiculing "white people" -- but he's married to a white woman! What the HELL is going on???
My half Japanese friend will not stop white bashing either- despite her dad and husband being white We've been friends our whole lives but man it gets tiring. Not to mention that Asian folks are being completely erased by BLM and such, because they're "not really POC's". OK- wake me up when it's time to move to a small island somewhere.
Dog... i suspect the TV ... NY/ Hollywood, feeding kids.
That is what they teach in schools now-a-days. When my current roommate moved in 4 years ago (he was 26 at the time and I was 51), he tried to convince me only whites were capable of being racist because racism requires a system of power and oppression.
They are teaching kids that racism is the same thing as systemic racism allowing any "marginalized group" a free pass on bad behavior.
This is a perfect example of CRT being taught in school. Not the method of "critical analysis" which teaches you how to recognize racism in every single interaction but the "praxis" element.
Yep. The trust-fund progressives are right-wing. They may like to say they aren't, but they put their oar in the water, and the boat goes right.
I don’t think you know what “right-wing” is. Note: it has little to do with wealth.
Penny..."destroying the possibility for any bridge building across racial lines to Achieve economic justice"...right on, and i do see exceptions, such as Winsome Sears, elected in Ge., a strong Bridge Builder along with MLK. She will be great...yep.
The issue isn’t race and racism. Full stop. There is little question we live in the least racist, most diverse society the planet has ever experienced. This doesn’t mean there is no out-group bias but it plays a far far smaller role than many want to believe. Claiming racism is "very devastating" is simply wishful thinking when it is easily falsified.
Likewise the biggest wealth and income disparities which exist are not racial or ethnic, they are based on age. Older people have far more income and wealth than young people. This is why 70% of people will be in the top 20% at some point in their lives. This is why the top 1% have a greater than 50% churn every generation. It is a sad thought process to think income mobility does not exist.
But I agree, getting back to class and away from race is a step we must take.
This reminds me of what Yeonmi Park said about how income inequality is actually a really great thing. The only other way to live is for us all to be desperately poor. The American system is the fairest with regard to balancing opportunity and freedom vs equal outcomes.
Michael Shellenberger has been advocating strongly for how to "fix" the homeless problem because he asserts it is almost exclusively a drug and mental health problem but we are loathe to do the things necessary to fix it. He models his recommendations off what they have done in Europe to deal with the issues and have people get the help that they need. I lived in Europe in the 80's and remember how bad it was in the Netherlands so believe they probably do know how to handle the problem better than we do. He wrote a book called San Fran Sicko but I haven't read it. I have listened to him in podcasts and his proposals seem sound.
What drives me crazy is that we can't ever seem to put on our big boy pants and ignore the idealogues who don't want to look at inconvenient facts and are constantly attacking those who do. If homelessness is a drug problem or a mental health problem, fine. If there is a black crime problem, for God's sake, let's figure it out, but it is not because white people are "racist." My wife used to say that America had two kinds of people: problem-makers and problem-solvers. As one of the problem-solvers, I'm fed-up with being constantly under attack by problem-makers, just because it makes some SJW feel better about herself.
My opinion is and has been for a while that the "racist" part is to intentionally prevent us from getting solutions. If we acknowledged that poverty and crappy education for children are the two top problems without regard to anything else, we could address them and most likely help. I too am a problem solver kind of person so it is infuriating when we can't even have adult conversations about complex issues because....racism. It's a class war where those in power obfuscate that there's a war by simply saying racism.
But most countries in Europe have higher homeless rates than the U.S. specifically Germany, France, Sweden, and The Netherlands. So using them as a model might be a very very bad idea.
Interesting point. I hadn't looked at that angle. I was more concerned about the open air drug markets and ridiculously high crime rates, but you certainly have a valid point.
good to know...thanks
I'm not sure I understand the term, "economic justice." If it means equal outcomes for everybody, the underlying assumption that unequal outcomes de facto mean "economic injustice," this question has been addressed all the way back to the Founding Fathers, who understood that anything other than Equal Opportunity was the road to perdition. Clearly we have equal opportunity now. Do all people have the same advantages? No, of course not. Ask a kid from the hollers, competing with city kids for admission to medical school. But it's nothing you can't overcome by working harder.
Ditto "poverty." Poverty is different in the eyes of different people, and throwing money at it does nothing. I've been around long enough to see the Great Society and all its downstream effects, and almost without exception they manifest "the road to hell, paved with good intentions."
School choice is critical.
James...great point.
Seems like most homeless end up that way because of psychological disorders. Are you suggesting blacks are more likely to have psychological disorders?
I went to school in a middle class black city, some students did their work, others didn't. We all had the same teachers and some children succeeded and some decided to smoke pot and not do their homework, it had nothing to do with the color of their skin, rather everything to do with the work ethic of their parents.
Elon...exactly. Going back 30/40 years Phila. had schools that did not let the kids take their books home...not all. But that, to me, was a "Parent" problem.
But...if the parent is under the belief of Nepotism/problem, then that parent is in a fog...and the city leaders might like the Fog.
thanks for stating what should be obvious, Elon. "Race" is a cop out. The real culprit is a lack of values in some homes, and self-destructive reinforcing cultural values. If I'm not clear, spend a few minutes reading some Rap music lyrics, which are both embraced and rejected by people of all skin colors.