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Here's an article about adult women spiraling into self-loathing and anxiety for no apparent reason. In another article by Haidt, we can read about the anxiety fueled obsessions of teenage girls...

I wonder why?

I wonder what the common thread might be?

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The problem is a culture that is obsessed with physical beauty and agelessness, ignoring intelligence and character. As a society, we just can't seem to progress beyond teenage values. Frankly, I'm proud of my wrinkles as each one represents a valuable lesson in life.

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Mar 27·edited Mar 27

"we are trapped in permanent adolescence; that we are hopelessly late to achieve grown-up benchmarks"

I know 50 year old people that this applies to. Wonder why no men? #metoo didn't convince women that male oppression is intolerable? Rise up! Don't let a man treat you like shit because of your physical characteristics...oh, no, no...willingly do it yourself!!

We have a sad, desperate, empty society of people seeking fulfillment in the meaningless.

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Sad people, perhaps immature, do stupid things. I wonder how they vote?

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Here's a secret my mom told me that may be helpful for millennials to remember. It will help them understand older people. No matter how old you are, you will always feel like you haven't aged as much because our brains still see us as us. It's the outer world who notices (or stops noticing). This is why you sometimes see 50 or 60 year olds (or Madonna) making fools of themselves. They don't feel any different. You won't, either. Also, while I'm on it, start asking yourselves how dumb you were 5 years ago. Doesn't matter what age you start. The answer will always be pretty dumb. There is no age at which you wake up one day and are done growing and learning.

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I think everyone is missing the reality that Tik Tok users (primarily Gen Z and Millienials) are just REALLY bad at guessing ages. I'm 46 and looking at these women I nailed almost all of my guesses (the first girl is clearly in her mid to late 30's). I think this is much more about the fact that social media, filters, etc. have completely warped people's ability to recognize what a normal 30 year old looks like IN REAL LIFE. While the factors of over botoxing/filling can definitely give young people who are doing those procedures earlier and earlier the look of being an older person trying to look young, the vast majority of these women look pretty normal for their age.

The issue is that these young Gen Z folks see way more filtered faces on social media than they do in real life these days and so they have a really skewed ability to recognize what a real person in their 30s looks like.

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Next version will be fat girls asking how pregnant they look

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One of the saddest stories I’ve read here. How can anyone in their right mind post a picture with such a foolish question? Only to receive anonymous replies trying to be funny and cruel.

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Let me throw in a not brooding and cynical comment to get things going.

I watched the video of the first lady in my web browser. I will never have tik tok on my phone. I thought she looked 28-32. I didn’t see how old she actually was though. But I do stare at peoples faces all day and women don’t get all dolled up to talk to their therapist.

Also, this is a bad idea unless you are very secure in who you are as a person. You will get trolled by a bunch of teenage boys that think its funny to say you look 50.

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Filters and cosmetic treatments are given as examples of distortions, but they are secondary. The primary distortion is the screen itself. At one time we all knew about the almost magical trait of photogeneity--it was even a special award at beauty pageants, and it's not age-dependent. I once knew an 80-something woman who appeared perfectly normal in person, but in any photo she lost years and became prettier. It's a phenomenon. I suppose if I were a USSC justice I might say I couldn't define what a pretty woman is because I'm not a physicist.

The screens have ruined everything, distorted everything, warped everything. Throw your phone away. If you're a parent, don't give one to your child. Turn back to the in-person world.

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Obviously not old enough to avoid falling for this type stupidity. Like in the middle age public hangings, people show up in droves to dish out, verbal abuse, hate and punishment for their own entertainment.

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Every time I see an article on Tiktok I am increasingly glad I am not on there. Aside from eroding your attention span and critical thinking ability it also erodes your self esteem. Great. But ageism seems to be getting turbocharged in this day and age. I'm not old by any definition but I've seen teenage girls calling women over 20 hags, and on the other side you've got these incels talking about women over 25 "hitting the wall". I feel bad for the girls affected by that kind of talk (along with all the filters and baby botox) because ageing is inevitable and the only way to prevent it is to die young. I miss when being older meant having intelligence and wisdom and was something to look forward to. I see it less among young men, but they have their own malaise caused by social media and the internet (body anxiety, porn addiction &c).

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If anyone needed to understand the enormous and real difference between genders, this story settles it. Only women, gay men or completely emasculated men (who are not men to me) could come up with something as insanely victimizing, masochistic and self- loathing as this.

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I'm 137 years old, but I don't look a day over 124.

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This article reminds me of the saying; “You can’t judge a book by the cover. It’s what’s on the inside that really matters.” I’m not one to tell anyone how to live their lives, but please don’t look for acceptance in people that you don’t know. Be thankful for what you have and who you are.

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This is really narcissism not self loathing at all. Self denigration keeps you completely at the center of your own focus. Oh my oh my so sad am I. I. I. I. I.......

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