It seems to me that if society continually portrays POC as victims and policies are made to therefore rectify by implementing discriminatory practices against non-POC we perpetuate racism into a never ending cycle of oppressors and victims. When enough of the white leftists are adversely affected by their own ideology things will change.…
It seems to me that if society continually portrays POC as victims and policies are made to therefore rectify by implementing discriminatory practices against non-POC we perpetuate racism into a never ending cycle of oppressors and victims. When enough of the white leftists are adversely affected by their own ideology things will change. At some point we need to get to the point of race neutral policies, but I fear it will not happen till pain is inflicted on all.
That ("perpetuat(ing) racism into a never ending cycle of oppressors and victims" is, I believe, exactly the motivation. As long as there are people who believe "help, help! I'm being oppressed!", there will be support for corrupt people to claim to be the answer to their problems. Without that, the entire leftwing establishment would crumble.
Here's the good news (for me). My kids are all grown and my two daughters have kids of their own. They all (to various degrees) regard this as patent hogwash. It's the little ones that I worry about. Do my best to share love of country and try to inculcate in them the courage to speak the truth about our country's goodness.
But it also can convert someone who was tolerant and accepting of POC under the old model (where it was believed that we do not judge a person by the color of their skin….) and make them intolerant. Backfire so to speak. Converting an ally into an enemy.
Which is exactly the point - economic class divisions don't work in the West since they are fluid, but races cannot be exchanged so that is a more "successful" avenue of division. One which Marx himself would have clearly implemented if Europe and Russia hadn't been all white.
Exactly. At what point do we have a level playing field, which was originally the goal of affirmative action? Right now one side is standing on an artificial embankment, while the other stands in a trench and just keeps on digging.
I can’t help but think that blacks & the black community will be the downfall of the USA. The reduction of standards & merit and the excessive inner city violence will the the country’s undoing.
I do not ascribe to the belief that POC are the lowest common denominator at all and find that statement to be offensive. It appears you do and that position is equally responsible for the mess we are in. It is the white leftists and progressives that are pushing the DEI to the detriment of POC and the country together with those espousing your sentiments. Politicians seize on those two dichotomies to fund raise and retain office all the while we all suffer.
You are incorrect in saying, that I said that POC are ‘the lowest common denominator’. In fact, what I did say was that changing requirements to accommodate the lowest common denominator in an effort to boost black participation & satisfaction is a recipe for national failure. There’s another way to address disparities and that is through encouraging excellence without diminishing requirements (or ‘whiting out’ Asian achievement). To that end, schools accessibility is important but the Democrat-supported teachers’ unions thwart the development of charter schools in minority neighborhoods. There are 65,000 kids on waitlists to get into these higher performing schools. Family formation should also be encouraged- 75% of blacks today are born out of wedlock with few fathers hanging around to raise their kids; Prior to the civil rights movement that figure was 25%. It seems like Democrats, progressives and yes even liberals are doing their best to keep blacks on their political plantation. Since LBJ’s Great Society of the 1960’s the black poverty rate has remained the same. How did that work out throwing billions at a community that hasn’t budged an inch? So that didn’t work and now the left is demanding that we jump through DEI and CRT hoops and have another go at it? It’s a grift - it’s just a National Shakedown.
CC you said blacks and the black community will be the downfall of the country then parlayed that into the lowest common denominator. Absent those comments your position on DEI I concur.
Yes because - and let's be very clear about this - underlying it all is a sense of paternalism and the deep belief that POCs are really not up to it and cannot succeed on their own. In other words, the very definition of racism.
It seems to me that if society continually portrays POC as victims and policies are made to therefore rectify by implementing discriminatory practices against non-POC we perpetuate racism into a never ending cycle of oppressors and victims. When enough of the white leftists are adversely affected by their own ideology things will change. At some point we need to get to the point of race neutral policies, but I fear it will not happen till pain is inflicted on all.
That ("perpetuat(ing) racism into a never ending cycle of oppressors and victims" is, I believe, exactly the motivation. As long as there are people who believe "help, help! I'm being oppressed!", there will be support for corrupt people to claim to be the answer to their problems. Without that, the entire leftwing establishment would crumble.
Of course you know, at this moment your children are being taught that you are a racist for what you posted.
Here's the good news (for me). My kids are all grown and my two daughters have kids of their own. They all (to various degrees) regard this as patent hogwash. It's the little ones that I worry about. Do my best to share love of country and try to inculcate in them the courage to speak the truth about our country's goodness.
DEI / CRT just creates more racism.
DEI/CRT IS racism!
Yes, I agree.
But it also can convert someone who was tolerant and accepting of POC under the old model (where it was believed that we do not judge a person by the color of their skin….) and make them intolerant. Backfire so to speak. Converting an ally into an enemy.
Which is exactly the point - economic class divisions don't work in the West since they are fluid, but races cannot be exchanged so that is a more "successful" avenue of division. One which Marx himself would have clearly implemented if Europe and Russia hadn't been all white.
Makes good sense, yes.
It’s a very Freiré-ian philosophy. If you haven’t read Pedagogy of the Oppressed, you should because it clearly defines this worldview.
Exactly. At what point do we have a level playing field, which was originally the goal of affirmative action? Right now one side is standing on an artificial embankment, while the other stands in a trench and just keeps on digging.
Politicians of both parties will never allow it to be a level playing field. It will be a continuing cycle of alternating oppressors and victims.
I can’t help but think that blacks & the black community will be the downfall of the USA. The reduction of standards & merit and the excessive inner city violence will the the country’s undoing.
Completely disagree with your comment.
You can not run a functioning modern economy based on the lowest common denominator. Recognizing merit & achievement are essential for progress.
I do not ascribe to the belief that POC are the lowest common denominator at all and find that statement to be offensive. It appears you do and that position is equally responsible for the mess we are in. It is the white leftists and progressives that are pushing the DEI to the detriment of POC and the country together with those espousing your sentiments. Politicians seize on those two dichotomies to fund raise and retain office all the while we all suffer.
You are incorrect in saying, that I said that POC are ‘the lowest common denominator’. In fact, what I did say was that changing requirements to accommodate the lowest common denominator in an effort to boost black participation & satisfaction is a recipe for national failure. There’s another way to address disparities and that is through encouraging excellence without diminishing requirements (or ‘whiting out’ Asian achievement). To that end, schools accessibility is important but the Democrat-supported teachers’ unions thwart the development of charter schools in minority neighborhoods. There are 65,000 kids on waitlists to get into these higher performing schools. Family formation should also be encouraged- 75% of blacks today are born out of wedlock with few fathers hanging around to raise their kids; Prior to the civil rights movement that figure was 25%. It seems like Democrats, progressives and yes even liberals are doing their best to keep blacks on their political plantation. Since LBJ’s Great Society of the 1960’s the black poverty rate has remained the same. How did that work out throwing billions at a community that hasn’t budged an inch? So that didn’t work and now the left is demanding that we jump through DEI and CRT hoops and have another go at it? It’s a grift - it’s just a National Shakedown.
CC you said blacks and the black community will be the downfall of the country then parlayed that into the lowest common denominator. Absent those comments your position on DEI I concur.
Yes because - and let's be very clear about this - underlying it all is a sense of paternalism and the deep belief that POCs are really not up to it and cannot succeed on their own. In other words, the very definition of racism.
Bingo! The leftists truly believe that POC cannot succeed without their assistance. If that is not racism what is?