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That is not correct. Most gay people and lesbians never wanted to, and never did marry. Their lives did not change at all. And the activists behind the "gay marriage" movement are pretty much the same people still doing all the activism -- their lives didn't change, either. They continue to grow in power and influence (and funding), and whatever their aims are, they aren't and never were "settling down to normal lives."

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If you're happy, good for you. But most gay men did not get married after it became legal. That's just a fact.

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Nothing you said changes the fact that the activists worked for something the majority of people they claimed to act for didn't want to do, something no one in any society had ever sanctioned, and that they continue to advocate for things fewer and fewer people want to do -- things they insist everyone else promote and celebrate, things that are increasingly destructive and harmful. That's the point of what I said. I'm sorry you don't think I'm a nice person and I wish nothing bad for you. When it comes to public policy, medicine, law, and health, what works best for families needs to come first, because families produce every one of us.

Children thrive best with their married biological parents, and the health of societies is best ensured when societies promote men and women marrying and having children, supported by and supporting their extended families. Societies that refuse to do this themselves, and refuse to put it first in their policies, pay a terrible price in poverty, drug addiction, crime, depression, suicide, and all the things our country pretends aren't happening even as the bodies pile up. A lot of men don't want to marry because we have messed up our marriage laws, our families, and our children. No, that doesnt' mean we should ban marriage, it means we need to fix what we've been doing wrong.

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I'm not bashing Bari or you. Live how and with whoever you want to, what does it matter to me? No, I don't think marriage can be redefined any more than I think "woman" or "man" can be redefined. That doesn't mean I hate you. Sorry you are not able to carry on a conversation about public policy and the general good of society without accusing people of hating you. Bye.

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DarkWhite's avatar

I sometimes think that it's also the next generation in line trying to find Something To Fight For, and who are galled at the idea that maybe, just maybe, all of the people with particular problems in the world have already been identified by their parents' and grandparents' generations, and what's needed is to just see those through.

No, no! Can't be THAT! WE need a rebellion! WE need a reason to call our parents idiots and bigots, too! So they invent a new category of oppressed person -- dude in a dress -- and proceed to go batshit insane over it.

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LovingMother's avatar

I agree. It is also the aim of Marxist Queer theory to drive a wedge between parents and their kids.

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Naomi's avatar

They have to separate children from their parents because the parent is the child's protector. You can't groom the child or gain access to the child to gratify your sexual proclivities if the parent is in the picture. Hence the activists demanding secrecy from the school systems so parents won't know who is counseling their child and about what, what books they are being assigned to read, what cartoons they are being shown, what discussions the teacher is leading.

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Naomi's avatar

Yes, many believe they missed the great movements in history with the last being the Civil Rights Movement. They are trying to find meaning and purpose in their lives and have not got the underpinnings of a religious foundation and belief system to help them choose between the false and the true. The new cause becomes their religion.

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jt's avatar

That's probably 95% of it, right there. And the fact that most of 'em had practically *all* their needs met. Gotta *invent* problems to "solve" (cough) to give their empty social-media constrained lives *some* meaning.

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David Burse's avatar

"the gay rights movement ... was a bottom up movement"

I see what you did there.

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Joe Horton's avatar

Ever watch the movie, McCabe & Mrs. Miller? Came out in the early 70s or so. Warren Beatty is McCabe and heтАЩs a hustler who rides into a little mining town in the Pacific northwest c 1890. But McCabe was on the wrong side of a deal with powerful group who send some rough folks out to hunt and kill him. He goes to see a lawyer (McCabe was also at the end of the line when they were handing out brainpower) who espouses platitudes at most tangentially related to his plight. The lawyer has no clue what the problem is, but holds forth with great passion and confidence that he can help him. In other words, the lawyer was a moron.

Sound familiar?

(By the way, most of the music in the movie was by Leonard Cohen. Some was hilariously juxtaposed, like when тАЬThe Sisters of MercyтАЭ was being sung. Good movie. No spoilers.)

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George Schneider's avatar

Because we need more ways to divide ourselves.

And yesтАжsarcasm.

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Joshua M's avatar

Lol yeah as a 33-yo homo, IтАЩve never cared to learn what тАЬqueer theoryтАЭ is. Much in the same way that the тАЬweтАЩre going to shove gay pride down your throatтАЭ people turned the average person against SSM, the TRAs canтАЩt see the harm that theyтАЩre doing to their own cause.

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