I get your point but you missed a protected category: religion. That is not an immutable characteristic of birth and there are some pretty out-there whacko religions and religious beliefs. Try to fire someone in your category 1 because of their Islamic beliefs (you won't denounce female genital mutilation?!) and see how that works. Al…
I get your point but you missed a protected category: religion. That is not an immutable characteristic of birth and there are some pretty out-there whacko religions and religious beliefs. Try to fire someone in your category 1 because of their Islamic beliefs (you won't denounce female genital mutilation?!) and see how that works. Also, this "the freedom not to associate" is not a civil liberty. You have no civil right to not associate with someone you don't like.
The answer, of course, is to revert to what we all used to do: work is for work, school is for school and what you do on your own private time is up to you. That was before the leftist cancer of "everyone must be an activist all the time for all our causes, and all other causes are dangerous and hate-filled and must be eradicated."
Not to pile on, but outside of certain types of public accommodations (hotels, housing, access to parks and public property, theaters, and employment opportunities) most private organizations are free to discriminate against whomever the may wish for whatever reason they choose.
Last I checked, the “Red Hat Society” does not allow men to join. This is not illegal in the US.
I believe that the Knights of Columbus does not allow women to join.
“You have no civil right not to associate with someone you don’t like.”
Yes, of course, you do. If this were not true, the landscaper who just told me he is too busy to mow my yard while I’m out of town would be breaking the law. He’s free to decline business that he can’t handle. If I call him names and give him a lousy yelp review, he could refuse my business too.
But religious discrimination is tolerated in many instances, unlike the other forms of protected classes. Need a Baptist church consider a Jewish Rabbi in their hiring decisions? Should ideological discrimination be illegal, the Republican Party would be required, by law, to allow Democrats to participate in the party, as an example.
The freedom to do something, like associate, always involves the freedom not to do so. The government can’t make me attend a PTA meeting, for instance. They can’t make me show up to the polls and vote.
The freedom of speech, for instance, means not only that you can speak as you will, but also that the government cannot compel you to speak when you otherwise wouldn’t. The same is true of association. I don’t have to associate with anyone that I don’t want to, so long as it cannot be shown I have discriminated against someone based on their protected status.
I get your point but you missed a protected category: religion. That is not an immutable characteristic of birth and there are some pretty out-there whacko religions and religious beliefs. Try to fire someone in your category 1 because of their Islamic beliefs (you won't denounce female genital mutilation?!) and see how that works. Also, this "the freedom not to associate" is not a civil liberty. You have no civil right to not associate with someone you don't like.
The answer, of course, is to revert to what we all used to do: work is for work, school is for school and what you do on your own private time is up to you. That was before the leftist cancer of "everyone must be an activist all the time for all our causes, and all other causes are dangerous and hate-filled and must be eradicated."
The Coinbase example above was great.
Not to pile on, but outside of certain types of public accommodations (hotels, housing, access to parks and public property, theaters, and employment opportunities) most private organizations are free to discriminate against whomever the may wish for whatever reason they choose.
Last I checked, the “Red Hat Society” does not allow men to join. This is not illegal in the US.
I believe that the Knights of Columbus does not allow women to join.
“You have no civil right not to associate with someone you don’t like.”
Yes, of course, you do. If this were not true, the landscaper who just told me he is too busy to mow my yard while I’m out of town would be breaking the law. He’s free to decline business that he can’t handle. If I call him names and give him a lousy yelp review, he could refuse my business too.
But religious discrimination is tolerated in many instances, unlike the other forms of protected classes. Need a Baptist church consider a Jewish Rabbi in their hiring decisions? Should ideological discrimination be illegal, the Republican Party would be required, by law, to allow Democrats to participate in the party, as an example.
The freedom to do something, like associate, always involves the freedom not to do so. The government can’t make me attend a PTA meeting, for instance. They can’t make me show up to the polls and vote.
The freedom of speech, for instance, means not only that you can speak as you will, but also that the government cannot compel you to speak when you otherwise wouldn’t. The same is true of association. I don’t have to associate with anyone that I don’t want to, so long as it cannot be shown I have discriminated against someone based on their protected status.