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Lars Porsena's avatar

Whether or not the 2020 election was stolen, the Dem move to institutionalize all the loose voting practices is going to be hell to pay. Every election will lack credibility, every candidate a fraud.

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seansg's avatar

Hint: it wasn't stolen. Every case that has been brought to court claiming this has been dismissed. Also, see J6 hearings.

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rob's avatar

Referencing Jan 6 committee with its pre-determined narrative does not help your case. If election denial is based on refusing or cherry picking evidence , that committee is just another example.

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Han's avatar

no they weren't:

https://www.azag.gov/press-release/guillermina-fuentes-enters-guilty-plea-yuma-county-ballot-harvesting-case

https://www.azag.gov/press-release/alma-juarez-enters-guilty-plea-yuma-county-ballot-harvesting-case

https://www.wsj.com/articles/wisconsin-supreme-court-bans-ballot-drop-boxes-11657296118?mod=hp_lead_pos10

https://ussanews.com/2022/07/15/az-ag-candidate-calls-for-prosecution-of-mules-who-allegedly-illegally-delivered-ballots-to-drop-boxes-in-2020/

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/georgia-opens-investigation-dems-violated-state-electioneering-law

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-voting-missouri-government-and-politics-342663e72a921cb9a5f55657d87a0910

https://twitter.com/reallizusa/status/1517124616149417984

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/12/judge-denies-request-for-restraining-order-to-block-destruction-of-michigan-election-data.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/man-arrested-dead-voters-pennsylvania

https://www.worldtribune.com/democrat-county-supervisor-in-virginia-indicted-on-multiple-felony-counts-of-voter-fraud/

been going on for years and years: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-congressman-charged-ballot-stuffing-bribery-and-obstruction

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/former-pennsylvania-representative-pleads-guilty-to-election-fraud-charges

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/03/28/new_peer-reviewed_research_finds_evidence_of_2020_voter_fraud_147378.html#!

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=FL&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

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seansg's avatar

The burden of proof lies with the accuser, and nothing you've cited here comes close to constituting proof that the election was stolen. Indeed, the courts have shut down countless cases of election fraud.

Do you keep a text document somewhere so you can post these, or did you go digging just now? At any rate, I'll address them all in turn.

https://www.azag.gov/press-release/guillermina-fuentes-enters-guilty-plea-yuma-county-ballot-harvesting-case

Two people pled guilty to delivering ballots for non-family members. Hardly a ststewide conspiracy, and certainly not enough to turn the tide in AZ, which Trump lost by 10,000+ votes. They would have had to have delivered this many fraudulent ballots.

https://www.azag.gov/press-release/alma-juarez-enters-guilty-plea-yuma-county-ballot-harvesting-case

This was covered in the above link.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/wisconsin-supreme-court-bans-ballot-drop-boxes-11657296118?mod=hp_lead_pos10

Non-sequitur. The Wisconsin Supreme Court banned drop boxes for future elections. This has no bearing on the 2020 presidential contest.

https://ussanews.com/2022/07/15/az-ag-candidate-calls-for-prosecution-of-mules-who-allegedly-illegally-delivered-ballots-to-drop-boxes-in-2020/

A republican election denier who is running for office calls for a prosecution, but it doesn't seem that any charges were actually brought. Clearly biased (and probably virus-laden) site that refers to people as 'mules,' a la D'Souza. I hope I didn't catch something from this site; it was difficult to back my browser out of it.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/georgia-opens-investigation-dems-violated-state-electioneering-law

Electioneering law saying no campaigning within a certain distance of a polling location may have been violated. Not good if true, but not really indicative of a conspiracy.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-voting-missouri-government-and-politics-342663e72a921cb9a5f55657d87a0910

Non-sequitur. This is about a voter if law (which I'm in favor of, btw) that will go into effect prior to midterms. Has no bearing whatsoever on 2020 election.

https://twitter.com/reallizusa/status/1517124616149417984

I watched this video and have no idea how the OP can claim she can see any ballots are unsigned.

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/12/judge-denies-request-for-restraining-order-to-block-destruction-of-michigan-election-data.html

From the lead:

"Plaintiffs to a lawsuit filed Sunday in Michigan asked a federal judge to block a request issued by Secretary of State Jocelyn BensonтАЩs office telling county clerks to destroy certain election data and software by Dec. 7.

U.S. District Judge Robert J. Jonker quickly denied the request for a restraining order Monday, citing a lack of timeliness, and failure to outline a clear complaint or properly certify some of the arguments made by plaintiffs who submitted affidavits with the lawsuit"

This proves my point--this case ass dismissed with prejudice because it lacked a 'clear complaint.'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/man-arrested-dead-voters-pennsylvania

One man is charged with registering two dead relatives to vote. Again, there's no doubt that some fraud occurs every election, but one bad actor doesn't make a conspiracy.

https://www.worldtribune.com/democrat-county-supervisor-in-virginia-indicted-on-multiple-felony-counts-of-voter-fraud/

Non-sequitur. This is about some guy in Virginia for 2011, 2015, and 2019 local elections.

The rest are all non-sequitur as well. I guess people believe what they want.

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Han's avatar

i accused no one, of anything; I merely spent about 15 minutes proving your statement categorically false.

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seansg's avatar

So you don't believe the election was stolen, good!

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Han's avatar

Neither did I say that. I merely spent about 15 minutes proving your statement categorically false.

"Non-sequitur. The Wisconsin Supreme Court banned drop boxes for future elections. This has no bearing on the 2020 presidential contest."

The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled that absentee ballot boxes were illegal in that election, and that ballot harvesting is also illegal: https://will-law.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-holds-absentee-ballot-drop-boxes-unlawful/

It isn't a non sequitur. It has every bearing on the 2020 contest; whether further court proceedings result, remains to be seen.

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Danimal28's avatar

Yes you did. "2,000 Mules" show exactly how uncontrolled drop boxes in six swing states stole the election.

The point is to not make the same mistakes again in the future.

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Han's avatar

Whether the documentary is accurate or not (several legislatures appear to think it is, while the media apparently does not), it can't have a real bearing on elections until and unless, courts find it as valid evidence, and /or state Congresses pass legislation regarding its findings.

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seansg's avatar

And Fahrenheit 9/11 proves that the whole war on terror was an unjust case of corporate profiteering.

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GMT1969's avatar

Since you bring up Fahrenheit 9/11, I love how the FEC ruled that it was not a campaign communication. So Citizens United decided to imitate what Michael Moore did in precise detail to see what the FEC would do and, lo and behold, it held that HILLARY THE MOVIE was a campaign communication.

The Supreme Court took the case when it came up on certiorari and, based in part on the FEC's inconsistency, held that the campaign finance law was unconstitutional.

The liberals had (and are still having) a fit. They want these laws to limit only GOP actions.

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Danimal28's avatar

I will rarely, if ever, grant Michael Moore credibility, but the war on terror made a relative few a lot of money at the price of our lives. Like Dwight Eisenhower mentioned, the Military Industrial Complex is perhaps the most powerful, corrupted force in the world.

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Daniel T Smith's avatar

Some of those cases were rejected out of hand without review.

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seansg's avatar

They were reviewed and dismissed with prejudice. Courts don't just throw out civil suits without even looking at them.

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GMT1969's avatar

Yes they do. I've spent much of my legal career in litigation and it is not at all unusual for courts to dismiss cases without looking at the evidence. Indeed, at the initial pleadings stage, the courts base their rulings entirely on what is in the pleadings and ignore the evidence.

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seansg's avatar

So the courts are examining the pleadings, not just blindly throwing out cases, like I said

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