I am the mother of two adopted children (now men). I can not imagine a world with out them and my husband and I are forever grateful for the brave decision their birth mothers made. I know adoption is not for everyone but i do wish the world would put a more positiv…
I am the mother of two adopted children (now men). I can not imagine a world with out them and my husband and I are forever grateful for the brave decision their birth mothers made. I know adoption is not for everyone but i do wish the world would put a more positive spin on it as a alternative.
I thank God every day for the gift of life that beautiful women provided the world with.
Jan and I tried for years to have children. Then we tested to see what the heck was going on. I was shooting blanks and Jan, if she had gotten pregnant, would have died. Match made in Heaven. We adopted two kids - 2 and 4 years, siblings boy and girl, that had been severely abused physically and sexually and had bounced around in the foster system for all of their short, awful years on this earth. Both are now in their late 20's. They don't have my blood but they are as much a part of me as if they were planned. I thank God for them.
Adoptive mom here too! And the mother to a daughter who died the day she was born due to Trisomy 18. Two children to the casual, outside observer who would be labeled “unwanted.” The story around childbearing and why we do it has become extremely flawed and reductive. I tell my story often in an attempt to shift mindset. Thanks for sharing yours:)
I had never heard of Trisomy 18, thank you for sharing. I had three ectopic pregnancies due to DES so never really got to know my babies. The world is crazy today, but I'm so blessed to have been open to the world of adoption. It was never a genetic need for me to have my own child (actually it was initially) but the need to nurture was innate.
Many doctors predict that infants with Trisomy 13 or 18 will die in early infancy. I have known many of these children whose parents stood up for them and they lived dependent lives for years delighting many who came to know them and love them. The pessimistic prognoses are made by obstetricians who have no empiric experience with these offspring and who are culturally tuned in to the culture of destruction known as the abortion industry.
You're absolutely right. I thankfully have a husband who is a physician and had an OB who was a beautiful woman, who didn't think she knew better than her patients. Early termination was never on the table for me and my beautiful daughter changed many lives in the short time she spent on earth. She deserved to live a life of dignity and die when her time had come. Who am I to decide if a life is worthy of living or no? We seem to have forgotten that at a society.
there are pleny of places to "pay more". send the IRS more money.than you owe.. they can hire women to have children by using your cash. or actaully go out and hire a woman. you can give the baby as a gift. a birthday present
Here is the dirty little secret. If you will take an 8 year old with physical, or mental, emotional problems, (you could say) Thee is a Drive Up Window. If OTOH you want a healthy 3 month old...Pack A Lunch.
I would too. However it’s also very difficult to adopt (especially as a single person). Maybe less red tape as well. Yes, I agree having two parents raising children is more stabilizing that having one, but having no parents/positive influence in your life and being passes around multiple group homes and foster families is not better than being raised by one stable parent.
My sister in law is one of 12 children, 4 biological and 8 adopted. Many are adopted from the US and many from South Korea. One such adoptee from Korea was born to royalty of some sort but had a large birthmark on her face so they placed her for adoption. My SIL has now watched her sister create a short film that has recently won awards and been shown at Sundance about ADOPTION and the primary actor is her actual younger sister who is in her mid 30s but has the capacity of a 6 yo. She is also adopted from Korea.
Still tons of kids sitting there....waiting....hop to it.
What's foolish is thinking your tiny, anecdotal family story is evidence of anything, especially refutation of larger, macro-reality. You're the foolish one.
So you don't have a source. Not saying you are wrong ( I don't know), but it helps if you have something to back up what you're saying. Otherwise ts just you opinion. As a buddy of mine once said "Opinions are like assholes, Everybody has got one.
Foster care OR waiting for adoption expands the pool. Not all foster care children are available for adoption. What is the proportion of foster care/unavailable for adoption vs. available for adoption? Let's see your numbers.
"Lol. Absolutely have a source. Not sure why you're so slow....maybe look up"
Then Cite it. That is all I'm asking.
"maybe look up"
When someone says that to me, I suspect they don't have A Source. On rare occasions I'll get a source, but 9 times out of 10...nothing. Well except Name Calling.
Agree with everyone else. Back up your response (generalization) with some hard data next time. I know several pro lifers who have fostered to adopt, and then had their own children when they were unable to conceive before.
Pro-life people adopt ALL the time and what is more they adopt the children that nobody else will like precious Downs children and kids with handicaps !!!! How uninformed of you !!! Many of my pro-life friends have adopted and my brother who has 5 biological kids has adopted TWO additional to save one from abortion and the other from neglect!!!!
The reason there are so many kids in foster care is because either their biological parents do not want to place them for adoption OR because the system is broken and takes years to get kids situated. But it's not lack of willing adoptive parents.
Your anger is showing. I am not blaming biological parents for wanting to keep their own kids. I know multiple brave parents who are trying HARD to overcome addiction and become the responsible parents they need to be to get their kids back and give them the care they need. I applaud and honor them because they are overcoming odds to get their kids back. But sometimes that takes time and that explains why a lot of kids are in foster care longer term.
No, you absolutely said the parents were the hinderance/reason these kids weren't getting adopted...now you're applauding those same parents for "working hard?"
Spending way more time & money for Russian/Ukranian babies and Asian babies.
Come to one of our foster parent association meetings. The disconnect between the values and ideals of the woke system that perpetuates the problem, and the tireless, generally conservative religious people who are trying to clean up the mess one child at a time couldn’t be more obvious or vast. I’ve adopted two kids through foster care, and hoping to adopt our adopt daughter (prayers please). So yes, we do, very much so, do our part.
My MIL's daughter (second marriage) cared for a child from the foster system and her mother would not sever her rights. I knew a dad who had a foster son who took years and years to adopt him and cared for him through severe seizures. Comp is a joke and speaks out of his ass.
PLENTY of kids with severed ties, just sitting around....waiting. Why don't you spend less time telling people to dig and more time adopting one of those kids before they "age out" of the system, Cynthia.
That is absolutely uninformed nonsense. Every adoptive parent I know personally is devoutly pro-life and I would happily wager that the majority of those who adopt in this country are as well.
Your original comment that "pro-lifers don't really adopt" remains unsubstantiated nonsense. As for 19k kids who were not adopted, it seems that you're insinuating they would have been better off had they been aborted.
Yep. You don't get to make your own facts. Pro-lifers adopt a lot of children, many into families that already have several biologic children. That there are kids in unadopted does not mean pro-lifers don't adopt. Did you mean to write "Not enough pro-lifers adopt to account for every parentless child?" If so, you should correct what you wrote and/or write what you mean.
No. You are. They already have other kids, right? What's to stop them from taking in more? That would be a "burden," right? But OTHER people should take that on.
Lol. Never said a single thing about being "better of dead." Nice try. Pathetic.
Open your eyes and ears and you will see things you probably don't know to see. That would dash your desire to believe that pro-life folks are the opposite of what you need them to be to suit your argument. I live in this world and see it every day.
No need to pay more taxes. Federal gov't can cut the military budget 2% and or stop one of the countless Federal boondoggles to fund adoptions. Government has its priorities total oriented to KILLING people and utilizing military force to protect corporations under the guise of "spreading" Democracy. All the concerns of tax paying citizens are dismissed to accommodate the war machine and the Wall St. crooks.
in a perfect world abortion would not exist.
But in an imperfect world....
I am the mother of two adopted children (now men). I can not imagine a world with out them and my husband and I are forever grateful for the brave decision their birth mothers made. I know adoption is not for everyone but i do wish the world would put a more positive spin on it as a alternative.
I thank God every day for the gift of life that beautiful women provided the world with.
Jan and I tried for years to have children. Then we tested to see what the heck was going on. I was shooting blanks and Jan, if she had gotten pregnant, would have died. Match made in Heaven. We adopted two kids - 2 and 4 years, siblings boy and girl, that had been severely abused physically and sexually and had bounced around in the foster system for all of their short, awful years on this earth. Both are now in their late 20's. They don't have my blood but they are as much a part of me as if they were planned. I thank God for them.
Adoptive mom here too! And the mother to a daughter who died the day she was born due to Trisomy 18. Two children to the casual, outside observer who would be labeled “unwanted.” The story around childbearing and why we do it has become extremely flawed and reductive. I tell my story often in an attempt to shift mindset. Thanks for sharing yours:)
I had never heard of Trisomy 18, thank you for sharing. I had three ectopic pregnancies due to DES so never really got to know my babies. The world is crazy today, but I'm so blessed to have been open to the world of adoption. It was never a genetic need for me to have my own child (actually it was initially) but the need to nurture was innate.
Many doctors predict that infants with Trisomy 13 or 18 will die in early infancy. I have known many of these children whose parents stood up for them and they lived dependent lives for years delighting many who came to know them and love them. The pessimistic prognoses are made by obstetricians who have no empiric experience with these offspring and who are culturally tuned in to the culture of destruction known as the abortion industry.
You're absolutely right. I thankfully have a husband who is a physician and had an OB who was a beautiful woman, who didn't think she knew better than her patients. Early termination was never on the table for me and my beautiful daughter changed many lives in the short time she spent on earth. She deserved to live a life of dignity and die when her time had come. Who am I to decide if a life is worthy of living or no? We seem to have forgotten that at a society.
there are pleny of places to "pay more". send the IRS more money.than you owe.. they can hire women to have children by using your cash. or actaully go out and hire a woman. you can give the baby as a gift. a birthday present
Here is the dirty little secret. If you will take an 8 year old with physical, or mental, emotional problems, (you could say) Thee is a Drive Up Window. If OTOH you want a healthy 3 month old...Pack A Lunch.
I would too. However it’s also very difficult to adopt (especially as a single person). Maybe less red tape as well. Yes, I agree having two parents raising children is more stabilizing that having one, but having no parents/positive influence in your life and being passes around multiple group homes and foster families is not better than being raised by one stable parent.
I agree love does not have a quota
I don’t want to pay more tax for other peoples, lascivious behaviour and unwanted consequences
But pro-lifers don't really adopt. Nor would the agree to pay more taxes for such a ridiculous notion.
My sister in law is one of 12 children, 4 biological and 8 adopted. Many are adopted from the US and many from South Korea. One such adoptee from Korea was born to royalty of some sort but had a large birthmark on her face so they placed her for adoption. My SIL has now watched her sister create a short film that has recently won awards and been shown at Sundance about ADOPTION and the primary actor is her actual younger sister who is in her mid 30s but has the capacity of a 6 yo. She is also adopted from Korea.
My college roommate has adopted three children.
You are beyond foolish.
Fascinating....really....
Don't have to go to S. Korea. Buy American.
Still tons of kids sitting there....waiting....hop to it.
What's foolish is thinking your tiny, anecdotal family story is evidence of anything, especially refutation of larger, macro-reality. You're the foolish one.
Wanna Bet! I ask you to Cite your sources, to back your claim up.
Yeah...I'll bet. Look up the number of foster kids in U.S. waiting for adoption. That's my source, Steve.
Cite Source.
Number of kids in foster care on the U.S. That's the source.
So you don't have a source. Not saying you are wrong ( I don't know), but it helps if you have something to back up what you're saying. Otherwise ts just you opinion. As a buddy of mine once said "Opinions are like assholes, Everybody has got one.
Lol. Absolutely have a source. Not sure why you're so slow....maybe look up "How Many Kids Are In Foster Care or Waiting for Adoption in America."
How about you try that?
So, my "opinion" is that there are probably a lot. Don't need a source to use intuitive, common sense. You should try it.
Foster care OR waiting for adoption expands the pool. Not all foster care children are available for adoption. What is the proportion of foster care/unavailable for adoption vs. available for adoption? Let's see your numbers.
19,210 were "aged out" in 2021. No restrictiojs. So, plenty were available.
https://www.ccainstitute.org/resources/fact-sheets
So, now, shut the f-ck up.
"Lol. Absolutely have a source. Not sure why you're so slow....maybe look up"
Then Cite it. That is all I'm asking.
"maybe look up"
When someone says that to me, I suspect they don't have A Source. On rare occasions I'll get a source, but 9 times out of 10...nothing. Well except Name Calling.
Sigh...now, shut the f-ck up.
https://www.ccainstitute.org/resources/fact-sheets
often the birth parents do not release the children. Which is their right but tragic none the same.
My feeling walk a mile in someone's shoes before you cast a stone.
Nah. PLENTY of kids released and waiting....just sittin' around....
Maybe spend less time and money looking for Ukrainian/Russian babies and Asian ones.
Please provide your source for these claims
Agree with everyone else. Back up your response (generalization) with some hard data next time. I know several pro lifers who have fostered to adopt, and then had their own children when they were unable to conceive before.
You know what my "hard data" is, Brett? The amount of kids unadopted/foster care in the U.S. That's my hard data. So why don't YOU look that up.
And that people will spend exhorbitant amounts of money to adopt a baby from Ukraine/Russia or from an Asian country.
Odd.
Pro-life people adopt ALL the time and what is more they adopt the children that nobody else will like precious Downs children and kids with handicaps !!!! How uninformed of you !!! Many of my pro-life friends have adopted and my brother who has 5 biological kids has adopted TWO additional to save one from abortion and the other from neglect!!!!
Lol. Yeah....that explains why there are so few kids in foster care in the U.S, right?
The reason there are so many kids in foster care is because either their biological parents do not want to place them for adoption OR because the system is broken and takes years to get kids situated. But it's not lack of willing adoptive parents.
Lol. So now it's the biological parents fault.
People spend exhorbitant amounts of time and money to adopt Russian/Ukranian babies or Asian babies. Years don't seem to be an issue then. Odd.
Pro-lifers Americans love adoption. Overhelming majority don't do it. Or just look for specific babies/kids.
Your anger is showing. I am not blaming biological parents for wanting to keep their own kids. I know multiple brave parents who are trying HARD to overcome addiction and become the responsible parents they need to be to get their kids back and give them the care they need. I applaud and honor them because they are overcoming odds to get their kids back. But sometimes that takes time and that explains why a lot of kids are in foster care longer term.
Lol! Not angry at all. Just stating facts.
No, you absolutely said the parents were the hinderance/reason these kids weren't getting adopted...now you're applauding those same parents for "working hard?"
Spending way more time & money for Russian/Ukranian babies and Asian babies.
Plenty of kids in U.S. need homes/families. Odd.
yup. I will add my own anecdotal evidence here. My friend adopted two children. one from Paraguay. one from Kazakhstan. cost them a fortune
Well, that was stupid. 19,000 American ones for free.
https://www.ccainstitute.org/resources/fact-sheets
Come to one of our foster parent association meetings. The disconnect between the values and ideals of the woke system that perpetuates the problem, and the tireless, generally conservative religious people who are trying to clean up the mess one child at a time couldn’t be more obvious or vast. I’ve adopted two kids through foster care, and hoping to adopt our adopt daughter (prayers please). So yes, we do, very much so, do our part.
Fascinating. Guess that explains why there's so many kids in foster care with not families.
why does it matter.
My MIL's daughter (second marriage) cared for a child from the foster system and her mother would not sever her rights. I knew a dad who had a foster son who took years and years to adopt him and cared for him through severe seizures. Comp is a joke and speaks out of his ass.
"Again," nothing.
PLENTY of kids with severed ties, just sitting around....waiting. Why don't you spend less time telling people to dig and more time adopting one of those kids before they "age out" of the system, Cynthia.
Why do you keep commenting when you do not know what you are talking about? You know Twitter exists, right?
That is complete nonsense. Come back here when you can speak with some truthfulness.
Nah. Too many kids in U.S. unadopted. Shoukd be 0. Love those Russian/Ukranian or Asian babies, though. Spend thousands for those.
just hit google.
Yep.
https://www.ccainstitute.org/resources/fact-sheets
Oh yes they do! We have two sons by birth and one by adoption.
Fascinating. You are the exceptions. Tons of unadopted kids/in foster care throughout America.
Cider House Rules
You just cited a fictional movie?
What a ridiculous statement.
What an accurate statement.
https://www.ccainstitute.org/resources/fact-sheets
You are so wrong.
Nope.
https://www.ccainstitute.org/resources/fact-sheets
That is absolutely uninformed nonsense. Every adoptive parent I know personally is devoutly pro-life and I would happily wager that the majority of those who adopt in this country are as well.
Well, 19,000 U.S. kids say different.
https://www.ccainstitute.org/resources/fact-sheets
Your original comment that "pro-lifers don't really adopt" remains unsubstantiated nonsense. As for 19k kids who were not adopted, it seems that you're insinuating they would have been better off had they been aborted.
More than 19,000 pro-lifers in America. So, the number should ne 0. Not "insinuating" anything.
You now have the cite/data. So, shut the f-ck up.
every .... I know does.... and I would bet.... fill in the blanks to suit your anecdotal evidence
And? Your point?
Nope. Tons of kids in foster care/unadopted in America.
Yep. You don't get to make your own facts. Pro-lifers adopt a lot of children, many into families that already have several biologic children. That there are kids in unadopted does not mean pro-lifers don't adopt. Did you mean to write "Not enough pro-lifers adopt to account for every parentless child?" If so, you should correct what you wrote and/or write what you mean.
Oh...already have biological kids...so an extra one would be a..."burden?"
Nah. Not making anything up. 19,000 aged out.
https://www.ccainstitute.org/resources/fact-sheets
I'm not the one calling adopted kids a burden or suggesting that kids who didn't get adopted would be better off dead.
No. You are. They already have other kids, right? What's to stop them from taking in more? That would be a "burden," right? But OTHER people should take that on.
Lol. Never said a single thing about being "better of dead." Nice try. Pathetic.
Not newborns
who cares. a kid is a kid right? an older kid is just a kid that is a Later kid. adopt one. or 10. they need homes
Lol. Yep, that explains why there are actually so few kids in the foster care system in the U.S., right?
Open your eyes and ears and you will see things you probably don't know to see. That would dash your desire to believe that pro-life folks are the opposite of what you need them to be to suit your argument. I live in this world and see it every day.
Yep. Hardly any unadopted/foster kids in the system in the U.S. Pro-life just snapping them up left and right.
No need to pay more taxes. Federal gov't can cut the military budget 2% and or stop one of the countless Federal boondoggles to fund adoptions. Government has its priorities total oriented to KILLING people and utilizing military force to protect corporations under the guise of "spreading" Democracy. All the concerns of tax paying citizens are dismissed to accommodate the war machine and the Wall St. crooks.
Yeah agree there also. We currently pay for everything else, move the money around and pay for adoptions too.