I am not looking to pick a fight or get flamed. I think the whole Gina Carano thing is ridiculous and speaks to the overreaction Bari points out. Like Bari I haven't seen a Star Wars movie since the original one 44 years ago, didn't know who Gina Carano was before this sad circumstance and probably never would have heard of her otherwi…
I am not looking to pick a fight or get flamed. I think the whole Gina Carano thing is ridiculous and speaks to the overreaction Bari points out. Like Bari I haven't seen a Star Wars movie since the original one 44 years ago, didn't know who Gina Carano was before this sad circumstance and probably never would have heard of her otherwise.
But I am having trouble understanding the problem with being "woke" in its original sense, not the pejorative its been turned into.
As a gay man who graduated from high school in 1971, I appreciated that many Americans "woke" up to the discrimination against homosexuals. While it may not have ended the loathing by many, it put a good deal of the hatred in the closet where it belongs and laws were changed or created to address the problem.
As the husband of a Black African immigrant, I am glad that more people are "waking up" to the injustice and discrimination foisted on citizens of color and non-white immigrants, many instances of which I have witnessed with my own eyes and ears. (It may seem trivial, but when my husband and I went into a high end restaurant last summer in a North Carolina town, the place went dead silent as everyone turned to stare at us. I won't even get into his run-ins with white law enforcement officers.)
Is it good "woke" or "bad woke" to be outraged at a Trumper wearing a shirt glorifying Auschwitz and stating "six million weren't enough" and wanting to cancel him and his ilk? Is it "good woke" or "bad woke" to recognize that in this day and age of social media and indiscriminate thought that there is a loud and dangerous segment of our population that believes in white supremacy and privilege?
All forms of political ideology or social consciousness (including wokeness) can be taken to unacceptable extremes. That doesn't make the core substance a bad thing.
I know your heart is in the right place but this is one of the most woke comments I have read in months. You extrapolate all the tidbits of items that were once prevalent in America but absolutely fail to acknowledge the great progress that America has made. Every culture has its share of racist but I It can't help but to believe that you see yourself and your husband as victims which is heartbreaking as African Immigrants like many had other options when choosing countries to migrate to. They choose America because they know even with all our flaws we offer a real shot at freedom. I hope your husband realizes that in America he can be a free individual and not have to be part of some twisted collective where they treat victimhood as John McWhorter has stated " not as problem to be solved but as an identity to be nurtured".
Like so many other terms, "woke" has been co-opted by a movement that its original users would have shuddered at. This kind of redefinition of common language is common in societal declines headed toward authoritarian control, without exception.
I think what Bari is expressing is wokeness is being weaponized by extremists against everyday people in order to cancel them.
The core intent of being woke may be good, but it’s just gotten out of control nowadays —there needs to be more of a balance where people can have open conversations and talk to one another respectfully without fear of being “cancelled”.
I believe the issue with wokeness, as it exists today, is how deeply hypocritical they are, as well as not being interested in actually working towards a non racist society because their ideologically based off a neoracist theory, crt
I am not looking to pick a fight or get flamed. I think the whole Gina Carano thing is ridiculous and speaks to the overreaction Bari points out. Like Bari I haven't seen a Star Wars movie since the original one 44 years ago, didn't know who Gina Carano was before this sad circumstance and probably never would have heard of her otherwise.
But I am having trouble understanding the problem with being "woke" in its original sense, not the pejorative its been turned into.
As a gay man who graduated from high school in 1971, I appreciated that many Americans "woke" up to the discrimination against homosexuals. While it may not have ended the loathing by many, it put a good deal of the hatred in the closet where it belongs and laws were changed or created to address the problem.
As the husband of a Black African immigrant, I am glad that more people are "waking up" to the injustice and discrimination foisted on citizens of color and non-white immigrants, many instances of which I have witnessed with my own eyes and ears. (It may seem trivial, but when my husband and I went into a high end restaurant last summer in a North Carolina town, the place went dead silent as everyone turned to stare at us. I won't even get into his run-ins with white law enforcement officers.)
Is it good "woke" or "bad woke" to be outraged at a Trumper wearing a shirt glorifying Auschwitz and stating "six million weren't enough" and wanting to cancel him and his ilk? Is it "good woke" or "bad woke" to recognize that in this day and age of social media and indiscriminate thought that there is a loud and dangerous segment of our population that believes in white supremacy and privilege?
All forms of political ideology or social consciousness (including wokeness) can be taken to unacceptable extremes. That doesn't make the core substance a bad thing.
I know your heart is in the right place but this is one of the most woke comments I have read in months. You extrapolate all the tidbits of items that were once prevalent in America but absolutely fail to acknowledge the great progress that America has made. Every culture has its share of racist but I It can't help but to believe that you see yourself and your husband as victims which is heartbreaking as African Immigrants like many had other options when choosing countries to migrate to. They choose America because they know even with all our flaws we offer a real shot at freedom. I hope your husband realizes that in America he can be a free individual and not have to be part of some twisted collective where they treat victimhood as John McWhorter has stated " not as problem to be solved but as an identity to be nurtured".
Like so many other terms, "woke" has been co-opted by a movement that its original users would have shuddered at. This kind of redefinition of common language is common in societal declines headed toward authoritarian control, without exception.
I think what Bari is expressing is wokeness is being weaponized by extremists against everyday people in order to cancel them.
The core intent of being woke may be good, but it’s just gotten out of control nowadays —there needs to be more of a balance where people can have open conversations and talk to one another respectfully without fear of being “cancelled”.
I completely agree with this. With change comes the extremes and I wish Bari and others on here would acknowledge this piece of the puzzle.
I believe the issue with wokeness, as it exists today, is how deeply hypocritical they are, as well as not being interested in actually working towards a non racist society because their ideologically based off a neoracist theory, crt