I thought we were doing very well in judging people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin. I worked at the top of my profession for 35 years with a very diverse group of people from all races and it worked just fine. It was a meritocracy, which is what made the place so special. No one got a pass. You e…
I thought we were doing very well in judging people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin. I worked at the top of my profession for 35 years with a very diverse group of people from all races and it worked just fine. It was a meritocracy, which is what made the place so special. No one got a pass. You either performed well or were asked to leave.
The current cultural wars around race have done exactly what the experts who criticized critical race theory said it would do, and that is to create more racism. I’ve tapped out of this hot mess long ago. Good luck.
The vast majority of Americans have no clue what critical race theory even is. It's a cop-out to blame it for "more racism" (and towards who?).
But otherwise, I thought we were experiencing some progress as well until Obama got elected and then things just went to crap. And while most here are likely to blame that on Obama himself, I contend the same would have happened had any popular Black conservative gotten elected president also. Even Sen. Tim Scott has managed to tick off conservatives when speaking candidly about the ways in which racism persists in American society.
Well the good thing is that the actual CRT "peddlers" are on college/university campuses (mostly as professors of it and related theories or law) and I doubt those who would be racist towards them were willing to take the fight to them.
I don’t agree that a black conservative President would have landed us in the same place. Obama was actively engaged in antagonizing those he viewed as culturally abhorrent. A conservative President, black or white, at the time - would not have. It was 2009 and a conservative President would have just put his / her head down and governed. The cultures wars began with Obama, in my view. Trump merely piled on. And Biden is just befuddled.
I did not accuse Obama of being a secret Kenyan Muslim. You made that leap from my comment about the Cairo Speech.
My comment focused on my observation that Obama was the first President I can remember that engaged in culture war rhetoric. That’s it. How I define culture wars can be different than others. As such, others may not have had a problem with such rhetoric.
I will not justify your comment about Norman Finkelstein with a response.
Lol. Really? Obama is the first president you remember who engaged in culture war rhetoric? How old are you? You weren't around for Reagan's "Welfare queens" "Big Black Bucks?" and "States Rights" speech in Mississippi? Did you miss Paul Ryan's "Makers and Takers? Were you asleep with Trump's Birtherism, banning Muslims and Mexicans are rapists and murderers?
Oh....you definitely don't need to justify, but you definitely need to to read.
Yeah we simply see this issue very, very differently. You believe that Obama was "actively engaged in antagonizing those he viewed as culturally abhorrent" when he waded into Gates-gate or when he said if he had a son, he'd look like Trayvon or take any other racially charged issue of the day. You think a conservative president wouldn't have moved swiftly to can Shirley Sherrod as Obama did? If anything, I'd think he/she would have moved faster. Dylan Roof was in no way motivated by Obama's particular politics or ideology but simply the very specter of an African American in the Oval Office. And the spate of high-profile police-involved deaths of Black American civilians was totally independent of the presidency but simply a product of the times (rising popularity of social media, prevalence of smart phones, etc.), and certainly contributed to the changing racial climate.
The burden of Obama being the nation's first Black president was the expectation that he'd say something about high-profile racial matters and that wouldn't change with a conservative Black president; instead, conservatives would simply want him/her to speak out but using their approved template instead. Sure conservatives would be happy about it, but that wouldn't mean that about half the country wouldn't have complaints, even if conservatives dismissed them as invalid. The end result would still be the same: a big national brouhaha about race involving festering issues that we've never dealt with to such a degree as a country.
CRT, Cancel Culture, Students attacking/protesting professors...all Moral Panics just like the "Satanic Panic" in rhe 80s.
Well, I knew Obama was a fluke/lightening strike, so I was less optimistic. So, I was not surprised AT ALL that Trump won, either.
Yep. A large portion of America lost their collective shit on election night....amazing how many of them love to talk about how Obama "set back race relations 50 years."
They went after Tim Scott when he dared to open his mouth, so yeah - they'll gore any black/brown person. Eventually, it always drills down to, "Shut up and dribble."
I'm reminded: America finally loved Ali, once he lost his ability to speak.
The world I lived in operated that way. Though you can quibble with the words I used to describe it. There was no need to play the victim identity game that we play today. Everyone one had their head down and worked. Meritocracy worked. People of all colors were represented.
You're such a racist, one trick pony that reading your screeds is actually funny.
As far as King is concerned, I view him as neither a hero nor a villain. He did some great things and some sketchy things. Like most people.
And reparations? From people who never owned a slave to people who were never enslaved. Yeah that makes sense. And what about the trillions spent since 1965? Oh never mind.
Why do keep skipping over the timeliness and going back to slavery? Who cares? You're missing all the good stuff in the middle. No, no, no. Let's keep it modern/contemporary, shall we? I like the Jim Crow, Segregation period.
Nah. Just provide one full scholarship to the families of every black GI who were denied the G.I. Bill that the white soldiers got.
The sketchy being the affairs? Glad to know your moral compass is so strong
Trillions spent since 1965...oh, I'm sorry are you under the assumption that white people don't/didn't benefit from social programs SNAP, HUD, etc.?
Lol.....and I'm the racist. You're such a disingenuous hypocrite reading your screeds is actually quote sad.
The prof claims "Never said "all white people." Checked his post.
"The one partial, out of context quote all white people love."
Yep, you definitely did.
Jim Crow, segregation period ended in 1965. Essentially nobody under 18 had a role in supporting that. So go back to 1947. Many born before that are already gone. And those born after played the deciding role in eliminating segregation and Jim Crow. But don't let truth rain on your parade.
Sketchy being the rape he reportedly participated in. Although, while I am skeptical of anything J. Edgar said, he was an accomplished blackmailer.
Didn't say the Great Society didn't benefit everyone. But who got the benefits is clear from the degree of support for the Dems. Like 90% maybe? Lol....and you are the racist. Cause you did say "all white people." See how this works? If you think most Americans don't want liberty and a better life for all of us, you're nuts.
Yep...all white people do live that quote, especially white GOP, as they trot it out on their Twitter every year. Do you disagree.
Nag. Plenty of people still alive. Plenty of families owed for the G.I. Bill. So, stop talking about slavery.
Nah. GOP nominating ANTI-CIVIL RIGHTS/PRO-SEGREGATION Barry Goldwater for POTUS is the cause.
That's why baseball great Jackie Robinson left the party along with many others. That's why it's 90%....but yes, let's ignored the lived history/direct personal experience and try and gaslight people that the Dems are the "real racists" and people are "living on a plantation."As if everyone has forgotten the rhetoric of Reagan, Bush Sr., Trump, etc.
Well, now Trump is the ideological leader of the GOP. Took awhile to get there, but it was inevitable. He's yours. Own it. See how that works?
You're still calling Goldwater a pro segregationists even when the evidence is clear that he de-segregated his own family's stores, the Phoenix public schools and the Arizona National Guard.
No less than Politico wrote. "Unlike many of the “no” votes, Goldwater’s assertion of states’ rights was not a smokescreen for personal racism—far from it. Personally, Goldwater, half-Jewish on his father’s side, loathed segregation. He ended it at his family’s department stores, and vigorously pursued banning it in both Phoenix’s public schools and the Arizona National Guard. On the Civil Rights Act, his belief, well-intentioned but misguided, was that the bill overstepped the bounds of what the federal government was permitted to do."
As to Trump, whatever his failings, when people claim his rhetoric is racist, they come up with what he said about Mexicans or Middle East terrorists. "Mexican" is not a race. If you can cite a single thing he said that was derogatory about black Americans I'll take note. But I don't recall any. Or they'll vaguely screech about dog whistles. Like what? Crime? No decent person is pro-criminal.
As far as Jackie Robinson, he was a brave and great American who had a right to his opinion. He believed that states' rights were a screen for racism. Partially true at the time, as the federal government was breaking up Jim Crow. But a principled case can be made for states rights against an all powerful federal government that has nothing to do with race.
Plus, Trump's whole Britherism campaign, claiming Obama was an Affirmative actions student as was to too stupid to get into law school and he had terrible grades, etc. was maybe "a little racist?"
And no, a Clinton staffer sent an internal memo re: Obama's "cosmpolitan" nature and "foreignness" might be a liability...and was fired. Furthermore, Clinton never questioned his citizenship.
As with almost everything else they touch, progressives just couldn't help creating a toxic racial tension - all to make themselves feel virtuous. If they weren't so destructive, they'd be comical.
What about the 80s and 90s? Did something amazing happen during that period?
Yes...Obama's only professional achievement prior to POTUS was being a community organizer. Wow, so dismissive. You do know that the "White House" is not to be taken literally, right? Well, he certainly can't compete with the experience of a former TV game show host, that's for sure.
Lol. Typical. No mater what you accomplish, certain white folks are gonna white folks. It's like every time you comment, you keep proving me right.
What was Obama's main employment before being elected to state office? If you guessed "community organizer" you win the quiz for today. Sorry if truth hurts.
If you've read my posts about Biden, you'll see I applied the same standard to him. Although in the case of the Senile Imbecile, he had virtually no job before politics. Rendering him even less qualified. And, guess what? Joey's white. Even if he tries to deny it. So I guess that makes me an anti-white kind of racist. Keep digging, Prof.
Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996. In the immediate preceding years, he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School (from '92-'04) and practiced civil rights law at a prestigious firm in the city ('93-'04). His work as a community organizer--specifically as the director of a faith-based organization that provided job training, college prep tutoring, and tenant assistance to residents in several Catholic parishes on Chicago's south side--was from 1985-1988.
More telling is this line "The law firm says Obama logged 3,723 billable hours during his tenure from 1993 to 2004, most of it during the first four years."
Sorry but not impressed. Many associates at big city law firms bill over 3000 hours in a year. I know. I was one of them.
And, btw, citing Wiki makes you doubly doubtful as a believable source.
Did you really just fake all this outrage to not even actually disagree with anything I stated and then even go on to cite information that is already explicitly mentioned in the Wikipedia link I provided (which is absolutely fine to cite as a source for something as trivial as this under the comments section of an online newsletter, a far cry from a thesis or dissertation that requires peer-reviewed objective primary sources) in the third paragraph under the heading "1992 - 1996"? Dude you're beyond hilarious.
And of course, you missed the whole point in my response to you which is that Obama's "main employment" immediately prior to being elected to the Illinois Senate was not his work as a community organizer--which, by the way, only lasted for three years but here you are all in a huff over Obama's four years of practicing law full-time. Care to generate a bit more faux outrage over Obama's teaching stint at UC School of Law or have you exhausted it all on what I stated concerning his years practicing law?
I wouldn't expect anyone to be impressed when being factually corrected about something since that was never the purpose to begin with. Also I *cite* sources to support my arguments but I myself have not authored any sort of work concerning Obama's pre-presidential career, which would be required for me to be an actual source, nor did I ever claim to.
That's a lot of words to excuse a cut and paste from Wiki.
No "faux outrage." Just pointing out facts. And UC hired Boy Wonder to teach Con Law right out of law school. Now that's funny. Hiring someone with zero experience.
"Obama's pre-presidential career?" Now that's funny. Point is that Obama had little or no real world experience working a job In fact he told the law firm he was interested in politics, not teaching. Which highlights our problem with professional politicians - an appalling lack of real world experience doing any private sector work. Which was my point.
And, as usual Prof, you don't know me. So riddle me this.....When I voted for Obama in 2008, was I an anti-racist but then became a racist again in 2012 because I voted for Romney? Or was it that Obama sucked as a president? Hmmmm.
As to Biden - do you seriously not cringe when the old fool tries to say vote for him or "yo ain't black??" And you don't think that shit is pure, unadulterated racism.? As taught to Joey by his old pal, Bobby Byrd, the KKK Grand Wizard? Talk about burning crosses......
Never said Obama was among worst of all time. That "honor" belongs to Biden and Carter, followed by Buchanan and A. Johnson, who are now breathing easier. Obama was middling, at best. Didn't accomplish much of anything, except the ACA, which most people agree needs a lot of fixes. Not a bad guy, just a bit of a poseur.
My biggest issue with Obama is that he constantly picked at the scab around race. Folks only need to look at how both blacks and whites viewed race relations in the early 2000’s vs during and after his tenure. I didn’t like his general policies as someone who is right of center but I respected him as President overall.
I attended a diverse school system in the 80's and worked in diverse workplaces in the 90's. Everyone seemed to get along just fine. The tension that has been stirred up the last few years is new and manufactured.
Oh yes. Things were great until Obama came along. Yes, because workplaces, where people are dependent upon receiving an income to live, are the true barometers of the sociocultural zeitgeist. I'm sure, like many, you had plenty of "Black friends" at work.
I said nothing about Obama or black friends. YOU did. It makes me sad that hearing that a group of different people managed to work together for entire shifts and get along well doesn't make you feel positive in any way. Nothing can ever be good? Nothing can ever be a positive step forward? People can't co-exist at work and play because they have a sense of humor? No one can want to be nice and make the shift / sports event / class pleasant? One can't help but worry that you have no light or happiness in your life.
Have plenty of light and happiness - my family, health, finances, poker buddies, hobbies, etc.
But you did mention your black coworkers, I believe? Are they your "friends?" Take trips together, hang out on the weekends, etc.? Just not impressed with working amicably with people of other races - because if you don't - you get fired. Sorry. Not emotionally moved by that.
But God forbid someone has a diversity training at work (which, btw, I think are pointless & stupid) - then watch people lose their shit over the "black wokeness" and CrITiCAl RaCE THeory!!
I thought we were doing very well in judging people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin. I worked at the top of my profession for 35 years with a very diverse group of people from all races and it worked just fine. It was a meritocracy, which is what made the place so special. No one got a pass. You either performed well or were asked to leave.
The current cultural wars around race have done exactly what the experts who criticized critical race theory said it would do, and that is to create more racism. I’ve tapped out of this hot mess long ago. Good luck.
Lol....everyone's favorite partial, out-of-context quote.
Never gets old.
The vast majority of Americans have no clue what critical race theory even is. It's a cop-out to blame it for "more racism" (and towards who?).
But otherwise, I thought we were experiencing some progress as well until Obama got elected and then things just went to crap. And while most here are likely to blame that on Obama himself, I contend the same would have happened had any popular Black conservative gotten elected president also. Even Sen. Tim Scott has managed to tick off conservatives when speaking candidly about the ways in which racism persists in American society.
Towards the people peddling CRT.
Well the good thing is that the actual CRT "peddlers" are on college/university campuses (mostly as professors of it and related theories or law) and I doubt those who would be racist towards them were willing to take the fight to them.
Pendulums swing.
I don’t agree that a black conservative President would have landed us in the same place. Obama was actively engaged in antagonizing those he viewed as culturally abhorrent. A conservative President, black or white, at the time - would not have. It was 2009 and a conservative President would have just put his / her head down and governed. The cultures wars began with Obama, in my view. Trump merely piled on. And Biden is just befuddled.
Oh, yes....pendulums definitely swing.
Tim Scott found out the hard way, as the GOP jumped on his neck quite quickly.
I'm curious about this "actively engaged in antagonizing" - are you referring to "clinging to guns, God, etc."
Well...that thesis has been proven accurate. Fair, a bit indelicate...but fair.
Cairo speech.
Oh...the one about increased economic, technological engagement in the Middle East?
Yep, secret Kenyan Muslim.
Failing to veto UN Resolution 2334.
Oh, yes. Palestinians should have no rights and the IDF is "the most moral army" in the world. Ok.
Read some Norman FInkelstein.
So...just to be clear. Is this your evidence that Obama is a secret, Kenyan Muslim?
I did not accuse Obama of being a secret Kenyan Muslim. You made that leap from my comment about the Cairo Speech.
My comment focused on my observation that Obama was the first President I can remember that engaged in culture war rhetoric. That’s it. How I define culture wars can be different than others. As such, others may not have had a problem with such rhetoric.
I will not justify your comment about Norman Finkelstein with a response.
Lol. Really? Obama is the first president you remember who engaged in culture war rhetoric? How old are you? You weren't around for Reagan's "Welfare queens" "Big Black Bucks?" and "States Rights" speech in Mississippi? Did you miss Paul Ryan's "Makers and Takers? Were you asleep with Trump's Birtherism, banning Muslims and Mexicans are rapists and murderers?
Oh....you definitely don't need to justify, but you definitely need to to read.
As far as Senators go, Tim Scott is held in way higher regard than his fellow SC senator.
Yeah, until he mentions race. Then it's "shut up and dribble."
Go try and gaslight someone else.
Yeah we simply see this issue very, very differently. You believe that Obama was "actively engaged in antagonizing those he viewed as culturally abhorrent" when he waded into Gates-gate or when he said if he had a son, he'd look like Trayvon or take any other racially charged issue of the day. You think a conservative president wouldn't have moved swiftly to can Shirley Sherrod as Obama did? If anything, I'd think he/she would have moved faster. Dylan Roof was in no way motivated by Obama's particular politics or ideology but simply the very specter of an African American in the Oval Office. And the spate of high-profile police-involved deaths of Black American civilians was totally independent of the presidency but simply a product of the times (rising popularity of social media, prevalence of smart phones, etc.), and certainly contributed to the changing racial climate.
The burden of Obama being the nation's first Black president was the expectation that he'd say something about high-profile racial matters and that wouldn't change with a conservative Black president; instead, conservatives would simply want him/her to speak out but using their approved template instead. Sure conservatives would be happy about it, but that wouldn't mean that about half the country wouldn't have complaints, even if conservatives dismissed them as invalid. The end result would still be the same: a big national brouhaha about race involving festering issues that we've never dealt with to such a degree as a country.
Thank you for the perspective. Very helpful.
You're quite welcome.
Yeah...that Trayvon comment REALLY pissed them off.
To say that was a watershed moment would be an understatement.
CRT, Cancel Culture, Students attacking/protesting professors...all Moral Panics just like the "Satanic Panic" in rhe 80s.
Well, I knew Obama was a fluke/lightening strike, so I was less optimistic. So, I was not surprised AT ALL that Trump won, either.
Yep. A large portion of America lost their collective shit on election night....amazing how many of them love to talk about how Obama "set back race relations 50 years."
They went after Tim Scott when he dared to open his mouth, so yeah - they'll gore any black/brown person. Eventually, it always drills down to, "Shut up and dribble."
I'm reminded: America finally loved Ali, once he lost his ability to speak.
There ya go. And much love was lost for Michael Steele, Colin Powell, J.C. Watts, etc. as well once they veered too far from the approved script.
"Content of their character"
The one partial, out of context quote all white people love.
Don't learn too much/read King's works, you'll really hate his ideas regarding reparations and economic systems.
The world I lived in operated that way. Though you can quibble with the words I used to describe it. There was no need to play the victim identity game that we play today. Everyone one had their head down and worked. Meritocracy worked. People of all colors were represented.
"All white people....."
You're such a racist, one trick pony that reading your screeds is actually funny.
As far as King is concerned, I view him as neither a hero nor a villain. He did some great things and some sketchy things. Like most people.
And reparations? From people who never owned a slave to people who were never enslaved. Yeah that makes sense. And what about the trillions spent since 1965? Oh never mind.
Never said "all white people."
Why do keep skipping over the timeliness and going back to slavery? Who cares? You're missing all the good stuff in the middle. No, no, no. Let's keep it modern/contemporary, shall we? I like the Jim Crow, Segregation period.
Nah. Just provide one full scholarship to the families of every black GI who were denied the G.I. Bill that the white soldiers got.
The sketchy being the affairs? Glad to know your moral compass is so strong
Trillions spent since 1965...oh, I'm sorry are you under the assumption that white people don't/didn't benefit from social programs SNAP, HUD, etc.?
Lol.....and I'm the racist. You're such a disingenuous hypocrite reading your screeds is actually quote sad.
The prof claims "Never said "all white people." Checked his post.
"The one partial, out of context quote all white people love."
Yep, you definitely did.
Jim Crow, segregation period ended in 1965. Essentially nobody under 18 had a role in supporting that. So go back to 1947. Many born before that are already gone. And those born after played the deciding role in eliminating segregation and Jim Crow. But don't let truth rain on your parade.
Sketchy being the rape he reportedly participated in. Although, while I am skeptical of anything J. Edgar said, he was an accomplished blackmailer.
Didn't say the Great Society didn't benefit everyone. But who got the benefits is clear from the degree of support for the Dems. Like 90% maybe? Lol....and you are the racist. Cause you did say "all white people." See how this works? If you think most Americans don't want liberty and a better life for all of us, you're nuts.
Yep...all white people do live that quote, especially white GOP, as they trot it out on their Twitter every year. Do you disagree.
Nag. Plenty of people still alive. Plenty of families owed for the G.I. Bill. So, stop talking about slavery.
Nah. GOP nominating ANTI-CIVIL RIGHTS/PRO-SEGREGATION Barry Goldwater for POTUS is the cause.
That's why baseball great Jackie Robinson left the party along with many others. That's why it's 90%....but yes, let's ignored the lived history/direct personal experience and try and gaslight people that the Dems are the "real racists" and people are "living on a plantation."As if everyone has forgotten the rhetoric of Reagan, Bush Sr., Trump, etc.
Well, now Trump is the ideological leader of the GOP. Took awhile to get there, but it was inevitable. He's yours. Own it. See how that works?
You're still calling Goldwater a pro segregationists even when the evidence is clear that he de-segregated his own family's stores, the Phoenix public schools and the Arizona National Guard.
No less than Politico wrote. "Unlike many of the “no” votes, Goldwater’s assertion of states’ rights was not a smokescreen for personal racism—far from it. Personally, Goldwater, half-Jewish on his father’s side, loathed segregation. He ended it at his family’s department stores, and vigorously pursued banning it in both Phoenix’s public schools and the Arizona National Guard. On the Civil Rights Act, his belief, well-intentioned but misguided, was that the bill overstepped the bounds of what the federal government was permitted to do."
As to Trump, whatever his failings, when people claim his rhetoric is racist, they come up with what he said about Mexicans or Middle East terrorists. "Mexican" is not a race. If you can cite a single thing he said that was derogatory about black Americans I'll take note. But I don't recall any. Or they'll vaguely screech about dog whistles. Like what? Crime? No decent person is pro-criminal.
As far as Jackie Robinson, he was a brave and great American who had a right to his opinion. He believed that states' rights were a screen for racism. Partially true at the time, as the federal government was breaking up Jim Crow. But a principled case can be made for states rights against an all powerful federal government that has nothing to do with race.
Now...so Obama's primary job before becoming POTUS was NOT being a community organizer. Do have that right?
Nah. Goldwater was anti-civil rights/pro-segregation. Ran on that nationally. The end.
Yes, damn that Trump, always giving people direct, factual stuff to "come up with" Lol!!
Still trying to come up with something Trump said that was actually racist about black Americans?
Plus, Trump's whole Britherism campaign, claiming Obama was an Affirmative actions student as was to too stupid to get into law school and he had terrible grades, etc. was maybe "a little racist?"
And no, a Clinton staffer sent an internal memo re: Obama's "cosmpolitan" nature and "foreignness" might be a liability...and was fired. Furthermore, Clinton never questioned his citizenship.
You want to keep going with this?
Clinton? Bill or Hill? Bill was at least a lovable rascal. Hillary is a harridan. She gave us Trump. Now that's a legacy of which to be proud!
No, I'm equally put off by his racism to others. See how that works, Bruce? Unlike you, I have empathy to those outside my racial group.
Wait... well telling 4 non-white U.S. citizens "to go back to where they came from." is pretty lame.
And....John Lewis, "crime and rat infested district" was a bit suspect.
If one of your students changed the subject and evaded a direct answer as do you, I can only imagine your outrage.
Let's put this on hold and enjoy our mutual Sundays. And if you're a football guy, enjoy the games.
As with almost everything else they touch, progressives just couldn't help creating a toxic racial tension - all to make themselves feel virtuous. If they weren't so destructive, they'd be comical.
I agree. There was no "toxic racial tension" until progressives showed up....damn....why can't we all go back to the 1940/50s when everyone got along.
What about the 80s and 90s? Or the election in 2008 of a certain community organizer?
What about the 80s and 90s? Did something amazing happen during that period?
Yes...Obama's only professional achievement prior to POTUS was being a community organizer. Wow, so dismissive. You do know that the "White House" is not to be taken literally, right? Well, he certainly can't compete with the experience of a former TV game show host, that's for sure.
Lol. Typical. No mater what you accomplish, certain white folks are gonna white folks. It's like every time you comment, you keep proving me right.
What was Obama's main employment before being elected to state office? If you guessed "community organizer" you win the quiz for today. Sorry if truth hurts.
If you've read my posts about Biden, you'll see I applied the same standard to him. Although in the case of the Senile Imbecile, he had virtually no job before politics. Rendering him even less qualified. And, guess what? Joey's white. Even if he tries to deny it. So I guess that makes me an anti-white kind of racist. Keep digging, Prof.
Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996. In the immediate preceding years, he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School (from '92-'04) and practiced civil rights law at a prestigious firm in the city ('93-'04). His work as a community organizer--specifically as the director of a faith-based organization that provided job training, college prep tutoring, and tenant assistance to residents in several Catholic parishes on Chicago's south side--was from 1985-1988.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama
That is utter, unvarnished bullshit. Even the LA Times, a fawning sychphant of Obama notes that his practice of law entailed at most four years.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-apr-06-na-obamalegal6-story.html
More telling is this line "The law firm says Obama logged 3,723 billable hours during his tenure from 1993 to 2004, most of it during the first four years."
Sorry but not impressed. Many associates at big city law firms bill over 3000 hours in a year. I know. I was one of them.
And, btw, citing Wiki makes you doubly doubtful as a believable source.
Did you really just fake all this outrage to not even actually disagree with anything I stated and then even go on to cite information that is already explicitly mentioned in the Wikipedia link I provided (which is absolutely fine to cite as a source for something as trivial as this under the comments section of an online newsletter, a far cry from a thesis or dissertation that requires peer-reviewed objective primary sources) in the third paragraph under the heading "1992 - 1996"? Dude you're beyond hilarious.
And of course, you missed the whole point in my response to you which is that Obama's "main employment" immediately prior to being elected to the Illinois Senate was not his work as a community organizer--which, by the way, only lasted for three years but here you are all in a huff over Obama's four years of practicing law full-time. Care to generate a bit more faux outrage over Obama's teaching stint at UC School of Law or have you exhausted it all on what I stated concerning his years practicing law?
I wouldn't expect anyone to be impressed when being factually corrected about something since that was never the purpose to begin with. Also I *cite* sources to support my arguments but I myself have not authored any sort of work concerning Obama's pre-presidential career, which would be required for me to be an actual source, nor did I ever claim to.
That's a lot of words to excuse a cut and paste from Wiki.
No "faux outrage." Just pointing out facts. And UC hired Boy Wonder to teach Con Law right out of law school. Now that's funny. Hiring someone with zero experience.
"Obama's pre-presidential career?" Now that's funny. Point is that Obama had little or no real world experience working a job In fact he told the law firm he was interested in politics, not teaching. Which highlights our problem with professional politicians - an appalling lack of real world experience doing any private sector work. Which was my point.
Bless your heart.
Right...so actually his job right before POTUS was NOT being a community organizer? Do I have thag right?
Hey...it's no being a former TV game show host, I'll give you that.
I think the truth that really hurts you, Bruce. Is that a non-white person was POTUS.
Really, do have a direct quote, information of Biden denying his ethnicity?
No, YOU keep digging Bruce. That cross isn't going to stand up and light itself.
Weak, Prof Read what I wrote.
And, as usual Prof, you don't know me. So riddle me this.....When I voted for Obama in 2008, was I an anti-racist but then became a racist again in 2012 because I voted for Romney? Or was it that Obama sucked as a president? Hmmmm.
As to Biden - do you seriously not cringe when the old fool tries to say vote for him or "yo ain't black??" And you don't think that shit is pure, unadulterated racism.? As taught to Joey by his old pal, Bobby Byrd, the KKK Grand Wizard? Talk about burning crosses......
What's an anti-racist? Being against a racist person?
Interesting note about Biden. I'll have to reconsider. Who is probably more racist, Biden or Trump? That's a tough one.
Anti-racist? Beats me. Ask Kendi. Or D'Angelo. lol
Anyway always interesting to engage with you.
Enjoy your Sunday.
Sigh....yeah, one random dude is not equivalent to the majority of a political party.
Yes, Obama is completely sucked and was probably one of the top 2 worst presidents of all time. Things were really horrible.
Nah, not when you voted for Romney. But when you voted for Trump....that's a different story.
You're trying to make those two men analogous. Weak, Bruce.
Trump destroyed every GOP challenger. He is the ideological leader of the GOP. Full stop.
Never said Obama was among worst of all time. That "honor" belongs to Biden and Carter, followed by Buchanan and A. Johnson, who are now breathing easier. Obama was middling, at best. Didn't accomplish much of anything, except the ACA, which most people agree needs a lot of fixes. Not a bad guy, just a bit of a poseur.
My biggest issue with Obama is that he constantly picked at the scab around race. Folks only need to look at how both blacks and whites viewed race relations in the early 2000’s vs during and after his tenure. I didn’t like his general policies as someone who is right of center but I respected him as President overall.
I attended a diverse school system in the 80's and worked in diverse workplaces in the 90's. Everyone seemed to get along just fine. The tension that has been stirred up the last few years is new and manufactured.
Oh yes. Things were great until Obama came along. Yes, because workplaces, where people are dependent upon receiving an income to live, are the true barometers of the sociocultural zeitgeist. I'm sure, like many, you had plenty of "Black friends" at work.
I said nothing about Obama or black friends. YOU did. It makes me sad that hearing that a group of different people managed to work together for entire shifts and get along well doesn't make you feel positive in any way. Nothing can ever be good? Nothing can ever be a positive step forward? People can't co-exist at work and play because they have a sense of humor? No one can want to be nice and make the shift / sports event / class pleasant? One can't help but worry that you have no light or happiness in your life.
Have plenty of light and happiness - my family, health, finances, poker buddies, hobbies, etc.
But you did mention your black coworkers, I believe? Are they your "friends?" Take trips together, hang out on the weekends, etc.? Just not impressed with working amicably with people of other races - because if you don't - you get fired. Sorry. Not emotionally moved by that.
But God forbid someone has a diversity training at work (which, btw, I think are pointless & stupid) - then watch people lose their shit over the "black wokeness" and CrITiCAl RaCE THeory!!
Virtue is overextended and being depleted.