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Evans W's avatar

Free speech is something we must stand behind even when it sounds disgusting, vile and makes us angry. The only answer to speech we disagree with is more speech. The wide and loud protests supporting Palestine is not anything that is troubling IMO, but what is strange is the silence and lack of counter protests from the Jewish population and its allies. Perhaps I'm missing something but why aren't Jewish leaders leading protests and calling for supporters of the Jewish state to join them publicly?

As far as universities go......true liberalism was lost in the academies decades ago. They're simply overpriced indoctrination clinics which, if there's any justice in the world, will collapse in on themselves, hopefully sooner rather than later.

I'll also add that if the justice department is going to prosecute J6 supporters (not ones that actually vandalized the capital) for simply being inside the capital building or on capital grounds to protest, then they certainly must go after the pro Palestinian protesters that took over the capital building yesterday. Otherwise how can one not see a double standard of justice by the government?

Finally, Bidens middle east visit has been a complete embarrassment. My god, the man can't stay awake or cobble together a coherent sentence. All the while Anthony Blinken is peering around every corner ready to step in and pull Biden out of coming off like a complete fool to the entire world. At this point, I honestly don't see how anyone can stand behind re-electing this man. God help us all.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

The Saudi reign ing prince kept Blinken waiting for hours and then ghosted him completely. To me this appears orchestrated to undermine Biden.

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The Shadowbanned's avatar

> Otherwise how can one not see a double standard of justice by the government?

They know but they don't care. They just won't prosecute them, continue to call the J6 protesters "insurrectionists" and not acknowledge what happened yesterday.

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Anthony's avatar

Where in the hell are the hordes of George Floyd protestors, letting us know that the massacre of 1400 Israelis is also an intolerable racist outrage?

I never expected the pro-Palestine demonstrations to be made illegal. I expected them to be drowned out by the counter-protestors denouncing racism.

I'd also like to know why the corporate CEOs are all very quiet on this, because they've been pretty damn loud over basically every Democrat propaganda push for the last five years.

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Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

Sigh. The 2020 riots (and occasional peaceful protests) were NEVER about “racism” -- they were about POWER. They were about rigging the election, and about bringing into being a new wide ranging power structure across government, industry, and the media. And here we are...

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Skinny's avatar

God help us!

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QX's avatar

"I'll also add that if the justice department is going to prosecute J6 supporters (not ones that actually vandalized the capital) for simply being inside the capital building or on capital grounds to protest, then they certainly must go after the pro Palestinian protesters that took over the capital building yesterday. Otherwise how can one not see a double standard of justice by the government?"

The DOJ to prosecute them??? HAHAHAHAHA. Yeah right. The NYT headline today about this is these protestors are "pleading for ceasefire". Yep. They're just peaceniks "pleading". Come on! And Newsweek's already have an article out headline making it clear, "No! Pro-Palestinian protest on capitol was not an Insurrection." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/no-the-pro-palestinian-protest-on-capitol-hill-was-not-an-insurrection/ar-AA1ivG70. The propaganda machine is already hard of work. Bright an early.

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LeftyMudersbach's avatar

Great post Evans W. I will add that in my opinion, the ACLU no longer commands a moral high ground on free speech. Years ago they seemed to act out of principle. Since Trump, that all appears to have gone out the window as they became political and part of the Trump resistance.

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Terence G Gain's avatar

Evans W

Speech calling for a second Holocaust of Jews is not free speech. If you are not troubled by protests supporting Palestinians - who elected Hamas, which wants to eliminate Israel - there is something seriously wrong with your knowledge, values or intelligence.

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

I’m afraid you’re wrong here. It’s loathsome and despicable however it is protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. It’s political speech. If we ban their rights we lose ours. I am Jewish BTW. We can’t let our emotions destroy our republic.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

We benefit from knowing who these people are. We can't know that if they open their mouths and tell us.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

I hope his constituents vote him out now.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Yeah, he is a dipshit but he is right on Israel.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

Honestly, I don't trust a word that political Democrats say in support of Israel right now. Until they do something about the openly loud antisemites in Congress, they're just virtue-signaling.

Many of these Democrats have previously voted to fund Hamas. A fair number of them have been against support for Israel in the past. And they all support BLM.

I don't believe any of them are earnest in their words of support for Israel. That's just what "looks good" right now.

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Sghoul's avatar

We need to stop listening to their words and follow their actions. Too many politicians get credit for things they didn't actually do or actively voted against.

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Chumi Friedman's avatar

There have been many gatherings by Jews. The media may not be showing them to you.

We also gather differently.

More than 10,000 Chassidic Jews gathered a week ago to Boro Park to show our support and pray.

Almost 10 street blocks were closed off.

There was a vigil near the UN that garnered thousands at which our mayor Eric Adams spoke.

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Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

I saw the one Adams attended in the NYPost. But what’s making me sad is that worldwide, especially in the west, attendance at the pro Hamas “demonstrations” run the tens of thousands, whereas the ones in support of Israel/Jews are only “hundreds” or at best, “thousands”.

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Elle Stratt's avatar

You have to look for it. There was also a peaceful procession last week in NYC of over 3000 Catholics led by Catholic Priests and nuns. You can find it on YouTube. There are probably so many Protestant and Catholic Churches around the country who are praying. My parish included. The contrast in grace and love vs the hate and anger of the anti Israel protests is evident. There are also universities across the USA that are NOT having protests against Israel. My daughter attends the University of Alabama and there hasn’t been anything. Like I said, you have to look for it.

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Sara Allard's avatar

Exactly, as a college student who also supports Israel, I think it's wrong to assume all colleges are lost. It's just the Ivy Leagues have such infinite brand power and endowments that they can afford these types of scandals. Meanwhile my tiny college of about 600 students stays pretty neutral about politics ("social justice" in the mission statement aside). If they get EITHER side of the internet mad at them, they'll lose everything. One of my professors even told me he's against trigger warnings before stories, which suprised me. It's been LONG past time for us to reject the supposed superiority of Ivy Leagues over any other college. University of Alabama is clearly better than Harvard and UC!

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Roll Tide. Surprisingly nothing at UT-Austin either.

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Elle Stratt's avatar

Roll Tide! It’s going to be a tough game this weekend! 😩🐘

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Chumi Friedman's avatar

Thank you for sharing this information. It is helpful to hear.

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QX's avatar

Let me guess, you all gathered in peaceful rally instead of hateful rhetorics, no use of threatening terrorist image, and none of you covered your faces to hide who you are.

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Chumi Friedman's avatar

Exactly. And the prayer vigil in Boro Park was advertised only in Yiddish to keep the enemies away.

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Joe Horton's avatar

Chumi, have you ever watched the movie, Dr. Strangelove? A central theme in it is that Russia has launched a “doomsday” satellite. If it detects a nuclear attack by any country, it essentially destroys the world. It is the ultimate nuclear deterrent. Before its presence is announced, though, a psychotic American general launches a nuclear attack on Russia. The American president, when confronted with this by the Russian ambassador, screams at him that a deterrent doesn’t work of you don’t tell anyone about it.*

Seems like a demonstration that only invite the demonstrators to is a lot like having a secret party that you don’t send invitations to.

* The Russian ambassador’s response was that the Premiere loves surprises.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

Except that this wasn't meant to be a demonstration. It was a prayer vigil.

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Joe Horton's avatar

Looked like it was connected to a demonstration. Perhaps I misread.

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Chumi Friedman's avatar

It was a demonstration of sorts. Praying is an ancient Jewish weapon. It's how we demonstrate our belief that at the end it is truly only God Who can protect us.

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Joe Horton's avatar

Once upon a time, in 1964 to be exact, there was a political satire/news show called That Was The Week That Was, aka TW3. Tom Lehrer, a mathematician and songwriter, composed a new song for it each week. One such dealt with nuclear proliferation. The defining lines in it are

“Egypt’s gonna get one, too

Just to use on you-know-who.

So, Israel’s getting tense,

Wants one in self-defense.

The Lord’s our shepherd, says the psalm,

But just in case, we better get a bomb.”

Here’s the whole thing:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oRLON3ddZIw&pp=ygUSVG9tIGxlaHJlciBudWNsZWFy

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Chumi Friedman's avatar

Lol. I hear you.

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AyaLou's avatar

I read several main stream media, as well as substacks of all opinions, and I saw NOTHING about this.

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Chumi Friedman's avatar

There are also videos making the rounds in Jewish WhatsApp groups of gatherings in dozens of countries in support of Israel, some in countries that no Jewish population.

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Chumi Friedman's avatar

That have no Jewish population.

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Evans W's avatar

Thats great to hear! I had no idea.

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Albert Loveland's avatar

I like to go around the web and look at different publications, and the sit-in in the capitol was only covered by Breitbart prominently. If that were done with white guys saying that giving weapons to Ukraine hurts Russia, it would leave every news outlet. The media propaganda that protects them, Biden and the fools in the Universities, is something that I pray is addressed in the future. Awesome post on every point.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

There are literally no standards of journalistic accountability. The idea being, I think, that such standards would have the potential to suppress freedom of the press. But the result at this point is not even a requirement of truthfulness. So we are left with journalistic anarchy IMO.

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Albert Loveland's avatar

We are back to a partisan press, as we had during the early parts of the Republic. My point is to not regulate them as much as not paying attention to them. They have far to much power.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

A partisan press is not as actively harmful if it is *acknowledged* to be a partisan press. Back in the day, you could choose which newspaper to subscribe to by the politics they openly supported. There are newspapers around here that still bear names that indicate their once partisan status, including one that goes by the extremely outdated name of The Herald-Whig.

But at this point the legacy media keeps pretending to be objective, even when they are literally taking their marching orders from the Democratic Party (re: the NYT debacle with Tim Scott and Chuck Schumer). As a result, millions and millions of Americans consume media without recognizing that it has a deep bias. They believe every word as if it were 100% true instead of considering the spin of the source.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

I would say they have far too much influence. But what I said about journalistic standards is the literal truth. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, teachers, plumbers, electricians, barbers, law enforcement officers, and cabdrivers are regulated. Journalists are untouchable. Until fairly recent times they could be sued for defamation but that is largely meaningless now in light if Sullivan v. NYT and its progeny.

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QX's avatar

The DailyMail in UK covered it.

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David Bross's avatar

Some Jewish leaders are in fact not being silent and are leading protests. Unfortunately, too many are not; and some ostensibly “Jewish” organizations, particularly those whose agenda has been almost completed devoted to what they consider “social justice” matters, have been unsurprisingly equivocal or effectively silent in their communications regarding their support for Israel and in calling out the vicious antisemitism we are witnessing here and around the world; e.g., the Jewish Council for Public Affairs (JCPA). Many have chosen to give lip service to these concerns, in favor of focusing on “Islamophobia,” which, while there have certainly been instances of such hateful garbage—notably, the murder of a 6 year-old Muslim child in Illinois— such episodes pale in sheer number and ferocity to the anti-Israel and Jew-hatred we have been witnessing at home and abroad since Hamas/Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorists invaded Israel and brutally tortured, murdered , injured, and kidnapped thousands of Israeli and American civilians.

I have been heartened to see the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) exhibit the kind of moral clarity, frequently MIA for many years, the past few weeks in its communications regarding Israel and Jew-hatred. Maybe the ADL, like some other Left-leaning groups and individuals, finally got the wakeup call it needed to rediscover its/ their moral compass.

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QX's avatar

This is what happened to all the legacy "feminist" organizations too. None of them speak up for real women's rights issue anymore. Not when the Iranian women revolted. Not when Israeli women were killed, raped, and kidnapped by Hamas. Total silence. The same day Hamas attacked Israel, the United Nations "UN Women" Twitter/X account celebrated "transwomen lesbians". When called out, they doubled-down, the woke takeover is surreal. All organizations are captured. I hope Bari or someone will expose the insidious widespread total capitulation of institutions to the Church of Woke. It's not only limited to universities.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Good point.

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Evans W's avatar

There are many churches of all denominations here in NC that have been overrun by the woke social justice movement and actually have BLM and Trans flags hanging in their sanctuaries. Not a single peep out of any of them supporting the Jewish state. Its unreal.

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David Bross's avatar

Despicable.

Or the hypocrites who posted Ukrainian flags on their social media pages but have yet to post an Israeli flag or a word of support for Israel.

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Evans W's avatar

crickets.

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Robert Moore's avatar

Evans W, your words:

"I'll also add that if the justice department is going to prosecute J6 supporters (not ones that actually vandalized the capital) for simply being inside the capital building or on capital grounds to protest, then they certainly must go after the pro Palestinian protesters that took over the capital building yesterday. Otherwise how can one not see a double standard of justice by the government?"

If this was all that you posted it would be enough!

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Linda in MI's avatar

Free speech all the way…with the exception of representatives like Tlaib using her time on the clock that we pay for to protest with the anit Israelis while crying and calling out Biden for supporting Israelis. Her mouth is filthy and she should be removed. Ever since she called Trump a MFer in her campaign, you could tell she was up to no good.

Our justice department is a joke for not going after these people disrupting business on the hill.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

She'll never be disciplined. The Dem/Socs say they are Pro Israel but they are not. Where is Chuck Shumer and the ever vile Nancy Pelosi denouncing Tlaib? You will never hear it out of their mouths. Their silence speaks for itself.

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Terry Brown's avatar

You are absolutely correct and how the people keep re-electing her is beyond belief. Yet, that tells you what the people of her area really think and advocate for. Silent support for killing of those who are different.

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Linda in MI's avatar

Her district is Dearborn, outside of Detroit, which has one of the biggest Palestinian/Middle Eastern (not sure which…specific or general) in the country.

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Robert Moore's avatar

To be specific, she said: "We're gonna IMPEACH the Mother F___ker!"

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Linda in MI's avatar

Yes! Thanks for the clarification!

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NCMaureen's avatar

Maybe because the pro Hamas side doesn’t fear retribution but the pro Israel side does. Free speech only works when it is equally free for both sides. We lost that a long time ago. College kids won’t even allow opposing view points of campus. They are the new Nazis. We need to start calling them that.

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LovingMother's avatar

"Free speech only works when it is equally free for both sides."

I think Progessives (who currently control American society) only shout "free speech" when it serves them. It is entirely one-sided. Just think about how "words are violence" when it suits - which is bullying. I would not mind if some idiots said nutto and even bad things - if our institutions had not all rolled over. Just today I was obliged to list the sex I "was assigned at birth".

Let's look at this article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12656675/transgender-singer-precious-child-photo-beheaded-JK-Rowling-sings-kill-TERF-today.html

It is fine for "Precious Child" (an adult man) to call for death to women he does not like. But, we cannot say he is a man and use any pronouns that make sense.

Even as the journalist calls out what the guy is doing he refers to "Precious Child" as "she". It might have been too "violent" for the writer to call him "he"?

Also, isn't "drag queen" or "Presious Child" a role, like playing a police detective on television? Yet society humors such folks (not folx) that they really are "Columbo" and we must call them "Sergeant" - or else! The guy's name, which might be Bob Smith or something, is a "dead name". And, you are "dead" if you use it.

Dostoevsky would not be surprised that people make bank on the ideology:

https://thepostmillennial.com/florida-gender-surgeon-promotes-eunuch-gender-identity-for-kids)

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

I've said this before and I'll say it again. How come the left idolizes Islam? We know the left isn't liberal. They are tyrants. But they claim they are feminists (a lie) and are humanitarians wanting justice for the oppressed (another lie).

Hamas isn't doing these atrocities because of Israeli oppression. They are doing this because this is what Islam does.

Islam is the religion of brutality, murder, intolerance, homophobia, modern day slavery and misogyny. Yet, these protestors if asked will tell you they are liberals, progressives. They are anything but.

Many of these protestors come from what we used to think were the finest educational institutions the land. Well, it turns out they aren't educational institutions. They are Marists, indoctrination cesspools and their students who are supposed to be the best and the brightest are willing vicious sheep, a pack of vicious assholes.

I'm surprised they don't walk around glassy eyed, with their hands straight out in front of them with a staggering gait, chanting "Israel bad. Hamas and Islam good." Over and over again.

Why isn't the NYT and the WashPo writing articles belittling these nitwits? Nooo, they are not doing that. They are too busy writing articles buttressing Hamas propaganda.

I would believe Porky Pig in a Loony Tunes cartoon before I would believe anything out of those two rag sheets. If these disgusting rags printed the weather report, I would double check from four other sources before I would believe them.

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Litr8r's avatar

Well said!

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NCMaureen's avatar

Because lefties envy the unfettered totalitarianism of Islam.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

The reason has become more crystal clear than ever: Leftists hate Israel and--though they often try to claim otherwise--the very existence of Jews. THAT is the lynchpin that keeps a ideology that otherwise HATES both conservatism and religion attached firmly to a highly conservative and violent religion.

The strangeness of this bedfellowship only makes sense once you realize the one issue that these two groups share.

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Evans W's avatar

Progressives hypothetically stepping on the necks Jews (or Christians) while hysterically calling them Nazis. Oh the irony.....

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

On Quora, it is very common for non-Leftist Jewish answer-writers and commenters to get called Nazis for their moderate and conservative views.

But that is one of the Leftist narratives now: Israelis have supposedly turned into Nazis, in a sort of "becoming what you hate" trope. I have never seen any evidence suggesting that this is remotely true. But it is a Woke article of faith.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

They can't debate you with facts so they call you names.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

Just more proof that they are overgrown children.

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Evans W's avatar

Was listening to Bari this morning on TRIGGERnometry and she stated that she felt there would be a huge shift from Jews who have normally voted Democrat to voting either Independent (RFK Jr) or Republican (Trump or whoever). I'd say that is way overdue. If you've not listened to the podcast, its well worth the time. https://open.spotify.com/episode/0E2kIcXUBIbYsuckm3SSeG?si=3294df659fa2497c

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NCMaureen's avatar

Did you see the clip of the Democrat Indian billionaire (sorry, difficult name) who admitted he was wrong about Trump and is starting to tilt right? His point was, We hated the messenger, so we (they) killed the message. He acknowledged all of Trump’s accomplishments.

So refreshing to see some honesty and humility from the left over their blindness.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

We'll see. Won't we.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

I can only hope so.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Tim Scott condemns the squad. How come Jewish congress members won't?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/tim-scott-blasts-media-the-squad-for-becoming-disgusting-extension-of-hamas-propaganda-machine/ar-AA1ist6e

Maybe the ever erudite compro can explain why his antisemitic party, the Dem/Soc Party, won't condemn the squad.

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John Elway's avatar

Let's keep the turd in the box.

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Bill Cribben's avatar

Don’t encourage him

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

From what I have been hearing, Jewish people are mostly keeping their heads down right now, not making themselves an obvious target by marching and protesting. I can't blame them--as a people, they have experienced these conditions thousands of time before. Jews have never survived by being loud.

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Glenda's avatar

May I suggest that they then quietly get out of lockstep and finally vote Against the Party in power in the primaries and US next Fall. Not signing blame by any means! Just bewildered by people who repeatedly vote against their own interests. Same goes for Texas democrats on the border. two more issues among many I just cannot comprehend.

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Sghoul's avatar

Not to mention, many governments around the country have shown a willingness to allow violence, so a wise Jewish person can't have a decent expectation of safety.

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QX's avatar

I do see from the videos and photos that the overwhelming majority of the anti-Israeli protestors are Middle Eastern descent, with a handful of white useful idiots mixed in. Plus blacks (in US, Canada, and UK) which I'll going to say outright is the biggest betrayal of all. So many liberal Jews were out marching for them when they had their George Floyd BLM moment, donating to those grifters and blasting the BLM fist on their social media and the black box on Instagram. They're all silently taking the kick in their faces, probably in deep denial. In a way I can't blame them. The hardest thing to admit the very people they support hate them.

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Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

Well spotted. But this is nothing new. In the 1960s civil rights era, Jews marched and even died alongside blacks in the struggle. Blacks wanted to rid themselves of the “slaveholder” Christian religion (sorry, Martin Luther King Jr.) and what did they choose? Islam. Oh, the irony!!! Muslim slave traders were active in Africa before the first White man arrived, and the Muslim slave trade, in the aggregate, was larger than the transatlantic one.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

I will never get over the depth of that irony.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

And no discussion of reparations for the descendants of Arab slaves because those slaves were not allowed to have children.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Hammer, nail, head

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

It’s grotesquely funny how quickly these activist students and administrators change their tune when their bottom line is threatened.

I’ve been saying for years that the reason that the establishment/corporations/academia love woke identity politics is that it does not negatively effect their bottom line, it actually raises it.

Occupy Wall St. terrified them. And deliberately the corporate media pretty much ignored it until there were some police-protester incidents, and then generally mocked the movement unlike the overwhelming pearl clutching for BLM.

Ever notice how the Great Awokening happened soon after which pretty much erased Occupy from the zeitgeist?

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Linda in MI's avatar

I heard a Jewish journalist on Megyn Kelly say that the swastika has been replaced with the Palestinian flag. Can’t disagree with that.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

Agreed. "Allahu akbar!" has the same connotation as "Seig heil!"

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Evans W's avatar

Agree with you on the college front. Start with calling out the administrators and professors. Thats where the indoctrination is coming from to begin with.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Start with transparency about that Arab money pouring in.

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Terry Brown's avatar

The rich have it right. Hit the colleges with lack of MONEY! That's their religion.

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Tim's avatar

Some of those loud protests for Palestine were from the Jewish population. See Jewish Voice for Peace and Not In My Name.

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Joe Horton's avatar

Yeah, well, I’m Jewish. And I say, “~definitely~ in my name.”

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Heide's avatar

Maybe because they think the crocodile will eat them last or maybe not at all. A fatal error.

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NCMaureen's avatar

Jared Kushner has expressed sympathy for Palestinians at the mercy of Hamas. Israel walked away from Gaza in 2006. Hamas has been in control. It’s the way it is because of Hamas. Jared stated there are Arab and Western investors that would like to rebuild Gaza and enable to Palestinians to have decent lives. But Hamas won’t allow it. So to all those blaming Jews, they are wrong. Blame Hamas and its backers.

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Orwell’s Rabbit's avatar

2005, not 2006...but the principle is the same.

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Terry Brown's avatar

Yes we have president Bush to thank for having Israel trade land for peace. Another superb Bush idea. Oh wait, never works by giving in to killers.

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