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Jay Covitz's avatar

Dr. Makary gives an excellent summary of the egomaniacal depravity of Anthony Fauci, but I would like to put a finer, and admittedly less eloquent, point on it.

Dr. Fauci is one of the most fundamentally evil human beings to walk the earth in the last century. If a dictator did the things he did- suppress fundamental human rights, drive children to levels of despair and suicidality unknown before in the western world, create cult like behavior among his followers, and seek to destroy the careers and lives of his critics, we would call them a maniac. Why is this descriptor inappropriate for Fauci? The short answer is, it isn’t.

I don’t know that the destruction he has wrought (both tangible and intangible) will be fully understood for some time, but one thing is for certain...faith in medical institutions in the US will be lost for a generation at least. Nobody who lived through Covid will forget, nor should they.

I pray that Rand Paul and Republicans in Congress grow a spine for once and do not give Fauci another peaceful day for the rest of his time on earth. His name should be turned to mud to such a degree that anyone who shares his last name, whether related or not, wants to change it because there has been such a pall cast over it.

Goodbye and good riddance...

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Jim Perdue's avatar

The CDC needs to share any criticism aimed at Fauci. Dr. Redfield, and now Dr. Walensky need to be held accountable.

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Original woman's avatar

True. Will never happen. They are in bed together.

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mack paul's avatar

"Egomaniacal depravity?" You should have been talking about Trump, who did everything he could to downplay the dangers of the virus and sell people on ludicrous quack cures. Keven Stitt, the governor of my state, who's rural residents were ravaged by the misinformation they received from Trump and Fox News and often died from eating Ivermectin, blew a million and a half of taxpayers money on hydroxochlorine.

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Jen X's avatar

"everything he could"

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BradK (Afuera!)'s avatar

I just laughed so hard I spit out my coffee. You really should put a warning at the top of a post like this. "Do not consume food or beverage while reading the following".

I had seen on MSNBC (or was it Vox?) how they ran out of grave sites in the red states trying to bury all those deplorable Trump supporters who died from consuming horse paste as they were instructed. And you forgot to mention the bleach injections. What was the mortality rate on that again?

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Original woman's avatar

All true and know this: he did not do it alone. It took an army to carry out his orders. The American victims are too many to count and we are forever broken.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Dr Fauci, like virtually everyone in Washington DC, is a net detriment to society and he will be receiving a pension of $350,000 annually. The equivalent of having $10 million in assets passively invested.

If you ever wonder why these teething rodents lash out when someone recommends actually reducing the size of the federal government, that is why.

None of them ever have to worry about money ever again for the rest of their lives. In most cases it’s not as lavish as Dr. Fauci’s sinecure, but it is, nonetheless, the complete elimination of concern over money permanently. An unbelievable luxury if you can imagine it. That’s why they are willing to kill you.

Parasites.

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Jack Sant's avatar

Unfortunately, he and his minions couldn't have done it without our consent. I wonder if we aren't somehow partially complicit?

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JD Free's avatar

Fauci's reputation at this point is very much like what Adolf Hitler's would have been if the Nazis won WWII. Revered by his camp and reviled by the rest, but with his camp in control.

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Matt Mullen's avatar

So sad that this hate-filled, ignorant screed is the most popular comment on Bari Weiss's publication. I guess that's the kind of audience she attracts.

Fauci is highly regarded among his colleagues. Right-wing media has demonized him because he dared to contradict Dear Leader. And you fell for their propaganda.

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run_dmc's avatar

Dear Leader - who in the h—l are you talking about. The last 2 presidents did everything Fauci said. If there’s any Dear Leader around, it’s Fauci.

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JD Free's avatar

That comment is quite representative of Matt Mullen and his ilk.

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BradK (Afuera!)'s avatar

Have you ever considered the possibility it is *you* who have fallen for the propaganda?

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Matt Mullen's avatar

I look at a wide variety of media and check everything against other sources. When you take the mainstream media together as a whole, over time you get much closer to the truth than anything in right-wing media.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

Not really, because NYT, CNN, WaPo, NPR, MSNBC, AP, etc. all have pretty much identical biases.

So your "wide variety of media" is really just interchangeable talking points with different brand names.

To actually have a "wide variety" you have to include at least some of those dreaded "right-wing media" sources, no matter how much they may trigger you by failing to reinforce your preferred echo chamber.

The problem arises when people do the opposite of what you do, and *only* get their news from a "wide variety" of right wing sources, i.e. using a mix of Fox, Daily Wire, Breitbart, etc. in order to meet their "variety" quota.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

When it comes to covering politics, I agree with you. It's unfortunate that the pandemic became political. It shouldn't have, but it did. I blame both sides of the media for this. Politicians and social media jumped on board. I also blame the CDC for not being transparent.

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Dean R.'s avatar

10 miles away rather than 20 miles away? LOL

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

Fauci fucked up bad enough that he's now trying to memory-hole everything he said in 2020.

It took him roughly 18 months to go from "we must lock everything down" to "I never said we should lock anything down".

That said, he's not the mustache-twirling supervillian the MAGA crowd makes him out to be.

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David Burse's avatar

I agree he's more Brad Marchand than Raffi Torres. But, you still need to guard your knees.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

I would say he's more of a Patrik Stefan, if Stefan insisted he totally didn't miss that open net and anyone who thinks he did is a deplorable with a faulty memory.

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David Burse's avatar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bBns6ZUn0U

He was the Bill Buckner of NHL hockey

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bestuvall's avatar

you are probably still wearing a mask and ordering all of your food to be delivered

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Matt Mullen's avatar

Wrong. Are you still more afraid of the vaccine than covid? Do you still think that Ivermectin is an effective treatment for Covid?

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bestuvall's avatar

I had two shots. so no.. I am not a doctor so I dont know if Ivermectim is a help when it comes to covid. do you?

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Matt Mullen's avatar

Right-wing media has been peddling the false claim that Ivermectin cures covid. They've done several major studies and it has been shown to do nothing.

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bestuvall's avatar

I have no such illusions. however Ivermectin is an important human drug used world wide.. especially in poverty stricken areas.. The left called it "horse wormer". which it is. but only one of a myriad of uses for humans. However even the NIH says this."Clinical Trials

Several clinical trials evaluating the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 are currently underway or in development. Please see ClinicalTrials.gov for the latest information." so while the current recommendation is the Ivermectin is not a "cure" for covid it seems that science is always changing. .. there is no "the science" and certainly Fauci is not the arbitor of what is "science'..

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BradK (Afuera!)'s avatar

Unfortunately "Republican" and "spine" are mutually exclusive concepts. The Democrat party hasn't so much seized power as simply leached their way into a vacuum of leadership.

If ever there were a time when America desperately needed a viable third party, this is such a time. But we all know that will never be allowed to happen.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

After being a democrat for years, I am now a registered Independent.

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Jack Sant's avatar

I fully agree with every syllable you posted about Dr. Fascist/Dr. Fausti, but you forgot that he'll probably get a Nobel Prize to go along with his Medal of Freedom.

With the exception of Dr./Senator Paul, and maybe Senator Kennedy, I'm not confident the Republicans will do much other than grandstand, bluster and bloviate for the cameras. I so want to be wrong. As Michael Corleone said at the beginning of GF2 (one of the sources of universal truth) they're "both part of the same hypocrisy".

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ChrisC's avatar

In my fantasy world, the word "Fauci" becomes an epithet for 100 years. As in, "he really fauci'd that up".

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A Kauffmann's avatar

Suggestion. Read a few history books. That wil give you some perspective, perhaps change a few of your many extremist views, and allow you a good night's sleep.

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Sheena's avatar

AMEN!

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Hulverhead's avatar

I have no worthless paper hanging on the wall as proof that it was understood , you go with what you believe , Fauci screwed the pooch on aids and covid you keep on praying to the cult of faici

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LosPer's avatar

I think if YOU read the history you seem to be so fond of, you'll find that Fauci does, in fact, have a lot in common with other authoritarian, collectivist monsters throughout the 20th Century. The most American of those is Progressive Movement spawn Woodrow Wilson.

It's not a difference in kind, but of degree, and all the more remarkable that it happened in one of the most free nations in human history.

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Bill Cribben's avatar

By all means dear professor suggest three or four. Visceral disdain of Fauci on opinion boards is what America is about. Perhaps you should read up on the founders.

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Lucy's avatar

My husband always says, history begins the day you were born. Meaning, no one cares to look back any further.

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kfxxx's avatar

Rush Limbaugh liked to say that

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A Kauffmann's avatar

Sorry if I did, I spend 6 years studying American history in college and grad school before getting a professional degree. History is extremely helpful but you don't need to know much to disregard (and be surprised by) the comments saying Fauci is the worst/most evil etc. in history.

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run_dmc's avatar

Your degree was a waste. We already know millions of people around the world were thrown back into abject poverty beginning in 2020 because, primarily, of 2 people: Fauci and the head of the WHO (who takes his marching orders from Fauci and Gates). Millions of children will be stunted. How many millions died from COVID who were denied safe early treatment and/or put on death drugs like remdesiver. How many millions will die from injections Fauci profited from. I could go on. And that’s just in 2.5 years. If you really knew anything about history, you would know it’s not a snapshot in time. It unfolds over years, decades, sometimes millenia and it’s backward looking. We have yet to know whether Fauci will be the most evil man of all time (which I’m willing to say he is not) or just in the top 10 (which is where my $ is).

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Jim Perdue's avatar

What role did the CDC play in this?

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JAE's avatar

If you study history as well as you say you do, then you should know that discovery of the damage done by miscreants enthralled by their own power is often not known until they are themselves history.

We simply do not know comprehensively what damage has been done, unwittingly or not, by Drs Fauci and Collins and their willing accomplices in institutions and media, but history if written honestly will tell us.

Not sure why you’re not seeing that, being an historian and all, and reserving judgment as history instructs us to do.

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Brad's avatar

I have a degree in American history. I'm just not waiving it around like I'm the second coming of Christ like you are. Relax, killer.

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Jen X's avatar

LIKE.

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vernon's avatar

It’s hyperbole and I personally think it’s acceptable here. People are very angry and rightfully so IMO.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

What role do you think China's lockdowns have had on the supply change issue?

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

This! Downplaying the long-term effects of the response to Covid is irresponsible, because minimizing the death toll makes it all too easy for the proponents of that response to excuse doing many of the same things again in the future.

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A Kauffmann's avatar

Ok then, my two "best schools" against your two. I agree on the poor standards of universities to day, but come on, reading around 80-100 books on history is useless? As for your calculations, who knows (well, you and I surely don't)but your perspective on "engineered global catastrophes" and comparisons to Mao, Stalin and Hitler seem a tad off -- and I'm trying to be polite here.

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run_dmc's avatar

“Reading around 80-100 books on history is useless?” Yes. Btw - I’ve read 800,000 books on history. See, we all can lie on the internet because your lack of understanding of the pedagogy of history makes me disbelieve your claims.

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Mike R.'s avatar

Reading a hundred books on history is entirely believable. Reading vs. watching is the first step back toward a sane American dialogue. Wes Yang at ZERO HOUR, the new LIMITS AND HOPE site, the Señor Lyons and a number more require attention thought and reflection. Because of Substack I READ my news. The intrusion into and the submersion and distortion of the American Psyche by "big tech's" click bait culture is a new form of illiteracy. It pretends to be HOT but it is sterile, cold and antihuman. The horror and perversion of the entire structure is revealed in the prevalence of porn and violence. People so isolated, alone and disconnected from meaningful lives they cannot sit at a dinner table without a screen in their hands? Do we really need sex with robots and chips in our heads?

I'm in the process of entirely rethinking my relationship with tech. The obvious surveillance state exploitation of what should be a door opening onto an age of wonder and prosperity seems to be filled with threat and manipulation. I discover many fine voices on the internet but there is also what appears to be an addictive and lowest common denominator undertow that doesn't mean us well.

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Mike R.'s avatar

Is this a private fight or can anyone get into it?

The ping-pong game continues. The MSM, Big Tech, corrupt finance and our compromised political leadership once again butchered our national dialogue and exploited a literal life and death crisis to leverage personal power, position and gain while driving the wedge of dissent, fear and distrust ever deeper into the American heart. 2008 was of the same life and death magnitude. Criminal finance killed people, destroyed lives, homes and families across our entire world. Covid, like the 2008 crisis was mishandled because we're ill. One of the first things a man should learn is that evil is real, it always enters the home undetected and it takes the entire village STANDING TOGETHER to overcome it. The first recognition being, that it has poisoned US.

We (that's US or U.S.) live from crisis to manufactured crisis for the exact purpose of preventing the reality based national dialogue necessary to put rational and practical solutions on the table for the creation of a brighter American future. Obfuscation and the "bitch slap" is our daily bread. How, stretched to the limits of survival, tongue tied by lies and spoon-fed hysteria twenty four hours a day, would we maintain a connection to healthy human reality at all?

Someone once said that if a man doesn't know his history he doesn't know who he is. I believe that history is a living breathing presence that informs the fact of our lived and shared reality. If I lose my connection to mythos and history I fall out of time into ANOMIE. As a general observation I'd say there are forces at play in our lives working to sever our connection to American mythos and history with a chainsaw. Got Constitution?

Mao, Hitler and Stalin are entirely relevant to our discussion but not because of Dr. Faust er, Fauci. All three manipulated pathological ideological utopianism and the mass projection of evil ,by a confused and desperate populace, to suspend human dignity and install the murderous totalitarianism that defined the 20th Century, and took the lives of millions. We stand on the threshold of a new age. The brutalization of the American psyche by a nefarious and venal force is underway. It intends to steal our future. Call it anything you want, but it's there. That's why we're here. GET CLEAN. GET STRONG. GET CLEAR.

As an English friend of ours, who at this moment is spinning in his grave at the arrest of his fellow citizens for thought crimes, once said:

"...Here come old flat top he come grooving' up slowly....he say I know you and you know me..one thing I can tell you is you've got to be free...come together...right now..."

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BradK (Afuera!)'s avatar

Well stated.

I see your murderous totalitarianism that defined the 20th Century and raise you the 21st. While not yet a quarter over we seem to be off to a pretty good start. Only the tactics have changed.

How many more of these manufactured crises can Western Civilization endure before we lose the capacity (or perhaps the collective will) to recover? Then again, that is the end game isn't it?

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Mike R.'s avatar

It seems to be so. Whatever the demon is, the pathological narcissism and hubris of the financial elite, D.C. pay-to-play or an evil giant in the sky the responsibility for a better future has fallen squarely on the shoulders of "..we the people.." where, it has always been and in reality always will be.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

We have the power to vote. Maybe we need a strong, viable 3rd party.

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Mike R.'s avatar

Do we need a 3rd party because both the DNC and the RNC are compromised? If so "who, what, when, where, why and how?" WHO: Avaricious finance. WHAT: Demands subsistence labor and unregulated exploitation of natural resources without personal consequence. WHEN: Now and forever. WHERE: Across the entire world stage. WHY: Because they can get away with it. HOW: Disguise open bribery as speaker fees, grants and revolving door corporate board appointments to corrupt politicians. --- (Am I ranting?)

Renaud Beauchard has a new site here called LIMITS AND HOPE. I'm recommending it because his discussion of politics in his native country (France) approaches the topic with an objectivity we Americans don't. The last article gave an overview of the works of Christopher Lasch that explored the human dynamic in politics I thought presented a new way of seeing ourselves and the "human" in politics.

Simple fool that I am I cling to our Constitution because for me it presents the only sane moral human approach to a world gone mad. It is an entirely reasonable document and as a frame of reference for a 3rd party it works because the lines of moral demarcation and values it represents are ageless. And, why suddenly, are there so many political frauds and charlatans trying to butcher it?

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Denise Chukker's avatar

Oh, Damn……..now all I want to do is salute. I love the way you fight…….I found myself humming old WW11 tunes.

But, I digress………

Thanks for being a grown up

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Denise Chukker's avatar

HEY, A KAUFFMANN, ……I READ A BOOK, ONCE.

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Denise Chukker's avatar

Pondering……..Do you enter a room with a sign that says your smart? No need to reply.

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A. Klarke Heinecke's avatar

Faith in the medical institutions has been lost among those of us old enough to have experience. What I observe among our Millennial family members is that, not only do they accept proclamations uncritically, but, they do not recognize the impact of loss of freedom. Many grew up in a safety-ist, hovering environment and they like being tightly swaddled.

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Skinny's avatar

Yip that’s 💯 correct

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BradK (Afuera!)'s avatar

And handed participation trophies just for showing up.

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Jon Hepworth's avatar

I didn’t show up. But I thought about showing up. Where is my trophy?

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MikeL's avatar

Great point on the millennials. It seems like most have no fighting spirit or any bit of healthy rebelliousness. It’s disheartening

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Jim Perdue's avatar

You don't know my 16 year old daughter. She's a fighter when she feels she was wronged.

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Barmoley's avatar

I think government accumulated enough trust credits before to make millennials trustful. Now the trust is gone or at least questionable. Regrettable position because we are facing very challenging times, which may require quite meaningful sacrifices

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D.A. Douglas's avatar

What did we expect with the Everyone Gets A Trophy generation?

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Terence G Gain's avatar

It is the lack of critical thinking skills which is the most disturbing thing about those (of any age) who accepted the advice of Fauci. I still see people wearing masks while driving alone or while outside. Fauci should have been fired the moment he claimed that perfectly safe HCQ was dangerous. It was a danger only to the potential profits of the drug companies selling the rushed experimental vaccine - which is worse than useless as it doesn’t prevent people from getting Covid but does weaken immunity.

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Original woman's avatar

I used to get angry at people wearing masks alone in cars or walking alone on a country path but now I have empathy for their ignorance. I think they are generally deeply confused by the message and they believe COVID is everywhere like dirt is around the Pigpen character in Peanuts. If you believe this, you will never unmask. Ignorance is not bliss, it is terrifying.

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Just an observer's avatar

People yelled at me when I was not wearing a mask. In the park. One woman screamed: “mask up” and gesticulated wildly when I walked on another side of the street. I live in a mostly Democratic city, as you probably figured. I think we will tell these stories for years to come.

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David Burse's avatar

I had that happen once at a Costco somewhere in all that. A lot of frustration turned into intolerance and hatred of people they are told are the problem. If only that guy got shots and/or wore a mask, this would all be over next week. That sort of crap.

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Dean R.'s avatar

I feel bad for them. It must be hard to live in fear like that 24 hours a day.

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David Burse's avatar

People do all kinds of weird things. Which is to say, people are weird. I don't know why some older men wear obvious toupees that make them look like a clown, or why people get Botox injections to the point that they look permanently startled.

Perhaps they are wearing it because they are scared, or perhaps they became so used to it, that it is like a security blanket? Or, possibly, they just want anyone who sees them to know they are not a republican.

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Original woman's avatar

I have to wear it now because my daughter has cancer. Sucks. The cancer part.

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David Burse's avatar

Cancer does suck. Being alive is fraught with perils. I wish your daughter a full recovery. But, all I can do is wish...

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Original woman's avatar

Thank you, Sir. I accept prayers if people pray. Whatever works. Will never know what works. Doesn’t matter, really. As long as she survives. 🙏🏻❣️

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Timothy Kaluhiokalani's avatar

"I don't know why some...people get people get Botox injections"

I suspect some people prefer to look like a 25 year old lizard than a 65 year old person.

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David Burse's avatar

They may prefer that, but the result is 65 year old lizard with duck bill lips

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David Burse's avatar

"I used to get angry at people wearing masks alone in cars"

No reason to get angry. It turns out, NPR sounds better when you have a mask on.

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MDM 2.0's avatar

Is that what it takes to listen to NPR these days?

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David Burse's avatar

that plus quality noise cancelling head phones.

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Adam Brown's avatar

My inlaws treat public health like a religion. Their is no age group immune from this cult.

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Coco's avatar

also lacking critical thinking skills

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Mike Miner's avatar

What a strange position to take on a Millennial’s Substack bringing you this information.

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Joe T's avatar

People like Bari are the exception that proves the rule.

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milllionthmonkeytyping's avatar

proves the 'rule' wrong :)

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

Must have missed the word "most."

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Brad's avatar

Fauci has done more harm to this country than any other individual in American history.

https://euphoricrecall.substack.com/p/how-fauci-wrecked-the-pandemic-response

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Terence G Gain's avatar

No. Biden is number one. He is bringing in 6 million illegal immigrants per year and is exorbitantly increasing the public debt.

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Class Enemy's avatar

Somebody who waits until the age of 81 to retire from a very public position, who never admits he is wrong, even when it affect an entire country, seems to actually enjoy the cult built around him, who claims to be “Science” itself… obviously a high grade narcissist who should have not have had power in his hands. The sinister part is that while half of the country sanctified him, much of the other thinks he’s nothing less than the evilest man in earth - a lot of competition there. I wish they were just as severe with another famous narcissist who wants to retire in his ‘80s from top power positions (president), never admits he’s wrong or his endless lies, enjoys having turned a political party largely into a cult of his personality, delivered to Senate to the Dems in 2020, puts a much needed Republican victory in 2022 at risk and is ready to set the country on fire, the latter three just to satisfy his maniacal ego, bruised by a lost election. I wish America’s rejection of pathological narcissists would be more methodical.

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Timothy Kaluhiokalani's avatar

“ I wish they were just as severe with another famous narcissist who wants to retire in his ‘80s from top power positions (president), never admits he’s wrong or his endless lies”

I agree completely although large crowds chanting “let’s go Brandon” is a pretty good start.

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Jen X's avatar

There are people who can't resist making everything about Trump. It's so boring. This is the best response ever.

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Jon's avatar

He really tossed you a softball, and you hit a home run

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run_dmc's avatar

Also, by your own standard - why is Biden still around? And still around destroying all of our lives?

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run_dmc's avatar

Could have been talking about Obama, Bush the II or Biden too - same personality traits. (I’m old enough to remember people literally swooning at Obama’s rallies, chanting his name, depicting him as Christ, saying he was going to heal the earth - or was that him saying that himself). Only difference with Trump is that - publicly - he can’t afford to admit he’s wrong. The media would pounce (another pack of lying narcissists). What was Obama et al’s excuse? BTW - so tired of this “endless lies” trope. Name one serious lie that wasn’t clear braggadocio for effect. Remember- a lie means you know something to be factually untrue and claim it anyway. Like “inflation is at 0%.”

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Jon's avatar

The border is secure

Nobody making less than $400K will get a tax hike

Nobody making less than $400K will get audited

I make all of my own decisions

I've never been involved in any of my son's or brother's affairs

The left has lost the right to ever accuse Trump of lying again.

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run_dmc's avatar

+ 1000

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Jon's avatar

I liked your comment but respectfully disagree. While Trump was a narcisist, he's proud of it.

He was highly effective in his policies, whereas Fauci fucked the world.

But, that's just MHO

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Original woman's avatar

Some narcissist use it to their advantage to do good. I know no one who could have withstood what DJT put up with as president. He didn’t have to take that job ( free of charge) as a wealthy man.

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Class Enemy's avatar

I see, Trump decided to be president not to improve his “brand” but because he wanted to SERVE his country. The altruistic narcissist ! That’s a really good one ! If you would have actually listened to what Trump has always said very loudly, for people who wanted to help others or to serve their country, “Bone Spur Trump” always had two words: SUCKERS and LOOSERS. He is actually very proud of that.

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Sheena's avatar

Thank you!!

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Original woman's avatar

Yep! 4 years. Bone spurs, suckers and losers sums it up. That’s all. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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milllionthmonkeytyping's avatar

Whatever else I may think of Trump I do believe he loves this country and was very sincere in making America great again.

I also think he ran into the most vicious, illegal and absurd political-machine pushback that anyone has ever faced. If we still did crucifixions the Dems would have him up there bleeding to death while they cackled and cast lots for Mar A Lago

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Original woman's avatar

Agree. They did metaphorically. And pseudo-comedic by holding up is bloody cut off head. Imagine someone doing that to Biden? Also they had a public play simulating his being stabbed to death. Tons more! Falsely accusing him of Russian collusion for 4 years.

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Class Enemy's avatar

Totally agree on Fauci. Agree with most of Trump’s policies as president, although it difficult to tell how many were actually coming from the people around him. However, what Trump did to this country after the 2020 election is a disaster and we’ll be paying for it long after he’s gone.

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run_dmc's avatar

Fascinating how the same people who now realize how untrustworthy our public health agencies have become, how captured our federal agencies have become, how corrupt our media, big tech, academic institutions are remain unshakably certain that our elections, run by partisans in 50 different ways, and where rules are changed at whim based on who has control in a state are of the highest integrity. SMH

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Class Enemy's avatar

Trump’s people have filed many lawsuits, all thrown out including by Republican judges, because they could not prove any significant fraud. According to your weird theory, since the country is polarized, no doubt there was fraud, even if nobody can prove it in any way. But why do we need proof when we believe in Trump Out Savior? Oh, but I forget, it’s a huge left-wing conspiracy, all local Republicans office holders were in it, Republican judges were in it, even those appointed by Trump, Barr was in it, only the faithful Trump cultist didn’t get bought.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

The thing about federalism is there's really no way to rig the elections of 50 different states simultaneously, because each state runs their own show and has very different people in charge.

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Terence G Gain's avatar

They only had to rig the vote in Atlanta, Phoenix, Philly, Pittsburgh and for good measure Detroit. And they did. The margin of victory was less than 48,000 votes.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

Biden got 4 million more votes than Trump, and if you think Detroit is a Republican voting city then next you'll be telling me Trump was the real winner in Portland and San Francisco.

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William's avatar

Presidents aren't elected by the popular vote. Terence is right, it came down to a small number of votes spread across a few states. You're right that Detroit isn't a republican city but that's not the point. Run up a bunch of phony ballots in Detroit and you counteract the actual votes across Michigan, do it enough and you win the state. Michigan was an example of a state pausing its vote count (never happened in a presidential election in my lifetime before this) and had a truck dump a bunch of ballots at 3am, election officials being forced to watch from 25+ yards away, windows being covered with posters so people couldn't see what they were doing. So yes, people are skeptical.

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William's avatar

The thing about presidential elections is you don’t have to rig every state but only a choice few.

Stopped vote counts, 3am ballot dumps, states taking days to count votes, phantom water pipe bursts, changing of election laws by executive order instead of legislatively as per the constitution, trump winning 19 of 20 bellwether counties, it’s enough to make people skeptical.

But you’re not allowed to be skeptical of a presidential election unless it’s 2004 or 2016.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

It's more that the legal challenges going 0 for 70 in court should be an indicator that it takes more brainwashing to believe Trump won than Biden.

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William's avatar

95% were dismissed on procedural grounds (mootness, lack of standing, etc) the few that were heard went forward before running into a higher court that would refuse to hear the case. After a summer of the left burning and looting cities courts were afraid to take the cases or just didn't want to for political reasons. The cases of governors chaining the law ad hoc were slam dunks but courts refused to hear b/c the case was either not "ripe" (pre election) or "moot" after the election, a total farce.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

Those procedural grounds were no-brainers. Rednecks in Texas can't just sue Michgan because they didn't like how the Michigan election results turned out, so that explains the lack of standing (once upon a time conservatives were in favour of federalism & states rights, but apparently not anymore).

The mootness is because after an election is over, it's too late to change the voting rules (i.e. claw back mail-in voting eligibility). That's like playing the Superbowl, scoring fewer points than the other team, but then claiming to be the winner because "if the rules had hypothetically been different we totally would have won".

So yeah, not surprising that literally every single challenge got tossed out of court. Those judges (most of which were Trump appointees) did the right thing.

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run_dmc's avatar

Actually, the 2020 election was a disaster. I personally saw people going door to door at apt complexes paying people to sign ballot envelopes with no ballots yet inside. I reported it to local officials who hung up on me. Trump did the entire country a service in illustrating how corrupt our elections have become.

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Terence G Gain's avatar

Andy

Trump should have accepted the advice he was given that once the EC Electors were picked there was nothing that could be done to prevent Biden from completing the steal. But your overwrought and clueless allegation against Trump is a vicious calumny.

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Class Enemy's avatar

What steal??? You’ve got people like Barr, who have put everything on the line to help Trump when nobody wanted to be around him, clearly saying there was no election-changing irregularity, plus endless other local Republican officials saying the same, and we keep seeing again and again this insanity with “the steal”? This has become the exact mirror image of the left’s “Climate emergency” - a cultist absurdity repeated like some kind of prayer. We all either come back to common sense or we all burn together, left cultists embracing right cultists.

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run_dmc's avatar

Barr?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

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Terence G Gain's avatar

On the morning of the election Biden visited Scanton and was greeted by a crowd of about 12 people. If you think he got 81 million votes you live in a fantasyland. Barr announced that there was no fraud without even looking into the issue. He knew that there was nothing that could be done about it and he wanted to avoid a constitutional crisis.

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Class Enemy's avatar

Only mad men would go down the rabbit hole with conspiracy theorists. What’s the difference between making a religion out of “systemic racism” and “climate catastrophism” and “the Big Steal”?

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Sheena's avatar

I should have known comments from deniers would leak through this piece on Fauci's failings.

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Terence G Gain's avatar

You are the one who is mad.

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Class Enemy's avatar

You read that wrong. I didn’t say you are mad, but It would take a mad man to start discussing conspiracy theories, and I’m not that person, I’m not mad.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

I can personally say I've voted for politicians that I would never in a million years take time to go see in person if they rolled through town.

Biden got 81 million votes because Covid was the perfect alibi to do what Democrats already wanted to do anyway: make mail-in voting easier as a way to increase voter turnout.

Opportunistic? Sure. Fraudulent? Not even kind of.

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Terence G Gain's avatar

81 million votes for a senile fool who didn’t even campaign. You’re very gullible.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

Jet beams can't melt steel fuel.

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run_dmc's avatar

81 million votes? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

In a country of 300 million people, shouldn't be that surprising.

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Jon's avatar

And we'll have to respectfully disagree on the importance of Jan 6 as well. I think we'll see an entirely different side of the event after the House changes hands next term.

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Class Enemy's avatar

Optics will certainly change. The disgusting evil nature of a looser politician unleashing his hordes to stop certifying his rival’s win will never change. You can have the best political intentions in the world and your rival might be a sleaze just waiting to break his promises (Biden), still two wrongs don’t make a right. Never. Ignoring this puts us all into deeper and deeper hole. Nothing will really change until we understand this.

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Jon's avatar

I would suggest that the more damaging precedent is the partisan 'hearings' that the House is conducting. That, combined with using impeachment as a political tool will be hugely damaging to out government should the Republicans decide to adopt them as tactics in the future.

I'll reserve any opinions on Jan 6 until both sides present their case. Rittenhouse, Sandeman, Duke Lacrosse and Russiagate were all slam dunk guilty verdicts until a fair and unbiased analysis was performed. Anyone who's forming opinions on Jan 6 based on what's been presented may live to regret it.

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milllionthmonkeytyping's avatar

As much as they've investigated Trump I'd think they'd have found the smoking gun by now. Or several even. Maybe the FBI really is that feckless.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

"I would suggest that the more damaging precedent is the partisan 'hearings' that the House is conducting. That, combined with using impeachment as a political tool will be hugely damaging to out government should the Republicans decide to adopt them as tactics in the future."

In the future? Democrats learned those tactics from Republicans; first with impeaching Bill Clinton and then with several thousand hearings into Benghazi. Now Republicans are furious to see their own tactics being directed back at them.

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Jon's avatar

Those both had bipartisan committees. Nancy, for the first time in over 200 years rejected the House members she didn't like. I wouldn't doubt that the Republicans turn the tables next term and do the same thing. There's also PLENTY of impeachment charges that can be filed against Joe.

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miles.mcstylez's avatar

The 1/6 hearings still had Republican representation on them, just not the Republicans who backed the "Stop the Steal" tinfoilhattery.

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QX's avatar

I abhor Fauci for how he handled the Covid epidemic but this is really a far-fetched claim.

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Man-i's avatar

nope/... criminal malfeasance, if there is justice he would die in prison. coercing people to take experimental drgs they dont want and dont need is a crime against humanity and violates the nuremberg code and warrants long prison sentences and even the death penalty

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A Kauffmann's avatar

Oh. Golly. I studied history for 6 years and didn't know that. My bad.

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milllionthmonkeytyping's avatar

Don't beat yourself up. Nobody's perfect :)

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Man-i's avatar

If there is justice Fauci will go down in history as one of humanity’s greatest villains

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A Kauffmann's avatar

Well then, I guess there is no justice. Can't you argue the issues you have with him instead of resorting to apocalyptic views ?

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Lynne Morris's avatar

He and his ilk have brought us closer to apocalyptic results, at least for our culture, than anything else in my lifetime. This house of cards could really collapse.

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Sheena's avatar

Amen!

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Man-i's avatar

on tucker carlson last night Scott Atlas appeared and really nailed down the failures we have seen

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Ostrero B.'s avatar

Tucker is such a jerk - and- he is right about 20% of the time. Very, very right.

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BD's avatar

Oh poor Anna. You're probably still running around with a mask on.

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Man-i's avatar

He’s actually not a jerk at all. He’s personally a gracious generous person. He’s a fearless political gadfly in the best spirit of american journalism. He mocks and derides and criticizes. Good for him!

Read some HL mencken . Some samuel clemens, PJ orourke .

The enemy of lying pomposity smugness and groupthink . Whats not to like?

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Jon's avatar

Most of the issues with Fauci are articulated in this thread. He may not have been intentionally evil, but his narcissism led him to disregard any opposing views, and resulted in untold, and very avoidable collateral damage.

I suspect he was also financially motivated due to his ties with Pharma/China/WHO, but Ill let the next session of Congress determine that.

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Original woman's avatar

Great point.

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Jon's avatar

And half the country, led by our media, thinks him a saint.

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Man-i's avatar

I dont know about that. More and more people are starting to see the harm he caused. Hopefully the scapegoating and rage will be turned from the "uvaxxed deplorables" to him and this group of permanent bureaucrats

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Jon's avatar

I have posted this same position on many occasions. And if you go back to the 80s, you'll see many people stating the same during the early days of AIDs. An awful, despicable man.

He was only 'one of the kindest, most charming human beings you will ever meet' until he was cornered, then his real personality came out.

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Leslie's avatar

Were I the editor of this piece I would have written: Author, this statement sounds like you’re hedging; delete?

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memento mori's avatar

Sociopaths and narcissists often present as overly kind and generous.

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Nicole Ann's avatar

Exactly.

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