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THG's avatar

What about incitement of violence? is it free speech or not? If somebody says "Zionists do not deserve to live" and somebody else commits the crime of physically attacking a Zionist on the way to the library upon hearing it, would the first person have any responsibility for violence?

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Tom Potts's avatar

Those are pure calls to violence and should be returned with violence.

Our objective is peace, shalom, salim.

If the idiots insist on violence, then they should receive their due.

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Bob Park's avatar

No. A general statement is protected. OTOH, if the speaker said, "There's a Zionist - go get him," that would be incitement to violence.

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THG's avatar

So if I say "Donald Trump does not deserve to live" it is not hate speech?

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Tom Potts's avatar

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing. If the TDS idiots kill him, then something far worse will happen to them.

There are about 500 million firearms and 2 trillion rounds of ammunition in civilian hands today in America today. Not counting any government agencies at local, state, and federal levels. Who actually owns , possesses, and controls them? Constitutional conservatives own many. Thugs on drugs and their ilk own or possess some. City people who vote for democrats own few or none. Perhaps they think their nazi overlords will protect them from harm. What a cruel joke that is.

Actual true Americans wish for peace and prosperity. Lunatic leftists do not. The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to protect common Americans from our own government’s overreach. Or from foreign invasion. It seems today that we have both of those things happening today in our towns and villages. Who cares about our cities now? No one. Normal Americans no longer care about cities. Or their people so much anymore. Enjoy your degenerate society now and stay in your cities. We don’t want you to to come to our communities at all anymore. And we will not visit your hell holes anymore.

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Michal Schagrin's avatar

Trump Derangement Syndrome also exists in large measure among his supporters who "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" when it comes to their leader, an authoritarian wannabe eager to emulate dictators like Viktor Orban.

Trump in his own words.

https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/

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Tom Potts's avatar

I greatly prefer Ron DeSantis but that barn door is closed for now. I can’t stand Trump’s big mouth and constant need to demean people. I rarely listen to what he says. I only pay attention to what he actually does. And he was a very effective Potus whose policies were very good for common Americans. Until Covid. The entire country was baboozled by lies from the fake science people. I think that DARPA/CIA created the Covid virus as a biological weapon and then gave it to the Wuhan Institute of Biological Warfare in China after they were caught doing illegal gain of function research.

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Bob Park's avatar

It's hate speech but hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Free speech means nothing if it doesn't protect speech people hate.

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THG's avatar

My understanding of hate speech was not the speech that people hate, which I assume you implied, but the one that communicates or incites hate. Which one is correct?

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Bob Park's avatar

Either definition is correct. If "hate speech" were outlawed, then someone, probably a federal bureaucrat, would decide what speech qualified. That's the definition of censorship.

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