What I got from the article was how thoroughly out of touch most elites are from the folks in flyover country. I've live in Michigan (both urban and rural), Colorado, NOLA, Vegas, upstate NY and now Iowa. The people aren't much different, but the political cultures are.
If you were to do a legitimate poll across the country of whether …
What I got from the article was how thoroughly out of touch most elites are from the folks in flyover country. I've live in Michigan (both urban and rural), Colorado, NOLA, Vegas, upstate NY and now Iowa. The people aren't much different, but the political cultures are.
If you were to do a legitimate poll across the country of whether abortion should be legal with 15-20 week limits, and exceptions for complications, I have to believe that in excess of 90% would support it.
But the left fails to see that people didn't like the SCOTUS legislating a 'right' to abort a fetus as it was crowning. I don't believe that's a left/right position, and don't believe it can just be waved away by the left as gaslighting.
Finally, I found the condescending tone of the author, who treated this like some kind of anthropological mission to study some foreign tribe, distasteful. But it did give me a glimpse of how out of touch the elites (sorry, I couldn't come up with a better term, even though it's rather trite) are with actual US citizens.
At last some actual common sense thank you Jon. If everything was as clear as you comment life would be much simpler. If it’s not about the bucks then it’s about reshaping the abortion laws etc I wish to god the current administration would govern the country instead of continuously passing idiotic bills that are either bankrupting us or gaslighting us,either way we are always losers
From everything I've read since Dobbs, what you're saying is correct. People liked to point out that no one single regulation scheme could get majority approval even though it was clear most people felt abortion should be available but restricted after the first trimester. The scheme laid out in Roe probably would have worked if not for the companion decision Bolton v Doe that created the health of the woman, including mental health, carve-out and the decision in Casey which junked the Roe trimesters (even though nobody really talked about it being effectively overturned then) for an even looser no undue burden on obtaining an abortion standard. I'm not really surprised the amendment failed as the language was confusing and would appear to me to be unnecessary in most circumstances. That a right exists doesn't mean that actions around it must be unregulated. Even with the Second Amendment most people support an age limits on gun and ammunition sales for example. A right to an action just means the government can't come up with a regulation scheme that prohibits you from any practical exercise of that right.
Manhattan is blue in the sense that the professors and students at K-State are blue. What percentage of the population that is varies at different points throughout the year.
I lived in Manhattan from 2000-2003--got my M.A. at Kansas State. The English Department (where I studied) was Woke before that was even a commonly used term. The pressure that was placed on me, as a moderate classical liberal, to "convert" to their Far-Left ideology was identical in tactics to the pressure my birthmother and her friends had placed on me to become an evangelical Christian; the details of what I "had" to believe were the only difference.
On 9/12/01, I was surrounded by people who thought we "deserved" 9/11.
I can only imagine what it is like now, 20 years later.
Charlie Munger (Berkshire Hathaway) once said (I paraphrase) that a man was looking for the purest example of communism and after searching and searching finally found two examples: Albania and the entire English Dept. of Yale University.
Iowa City and increasingly Des Moines. Iowa is purple overall, and I like it that way.
When we lived in Cedar Rapids, there was a joke that someone who drove a Mercedes in Cedar Rapids was probably a Republican, but someone who drove a Mercedes in Iowa City was probably a Democrat.
Okay, I hope you don't mind me using that line, but I'll keep you out of it.
I live in CR but operate a restaurant in IC. The difference between the two cultures is remarkable. During the pandemic, most restaurants in CR operated as normal, but in IC, they were shut down.
The students in IC still can be seen wearing masks as they traverse the town, which shows how much damage we did to our youth during the pandemic, imho, all to remove Trump from office.
Manhattan, KS is purple (in the political sense -- which is oddly fitting, considering K-State's fanatical devotion to the darker of its school colors).
As is Lawrence! As a Kansas girl at heart (even though I only lived there for 8 years in my 30s), I found her choices of interview subjects to be wildly out of touch.
What I got from the article was how thoroughly out of touch most elites are from the folks in flyover country. I've live in Michigan (both urban and rural), Colorado, NOLA, Vegas, upstate NY and now Iowa. The people aren't much different, but the political cultures are.
If you were to do a legitimate poll across the country of whether abortion should be legal with 15-20 week limits, and exceptions for complications, I have to believe that in excess of 90% would support it.
But the left fails to see that people didn't like the SCOTUS legislating a 'right' to abort a fetus as it was crowning. I don't believe that's a left/right position, and don't believe it can just be waved away by the left as gaslighting.
Finally, I found the condescending tone of the author, who treated this like some kind of anthropological mission to study some foreign tribe, distasteful. But it did give me a glimpse of how out of touch the elites (sorry, I couldn't come up with a better term, even though it's rather trite) are with actual US citizens.
At last some actual common sense thank you Jon. If everything was as clear as you comment life would be much simpler. If it’s not about the bucks then it’s about reshaping the abortion laws etc I wish to god the current administration would govern the country instead of continuously passing idiotic bills that are either bankrupting us or gaslighting us,either way we are always losers
“Look, there are good people here too, despite what we all think” was her primary assertion.
From everything I've read since Dobbs, what you're saying is correct. People liked to point out that no one single regulation scheme could get majority approval even though it was clear most people felt abortion should be available but restricted after the first trimester. The scheme laid out in Roe probably would have worked if not for the companion decision Bolton v Doe that created the health of the woman, including mental health, carve-out and the decision in Casey which junked the Roe trimesters (even though nobody really talked about it being effectively overturned then) for an even looser no undue burden on obtaining an abortion standard. I'm not really surprised the amendment failed as the language was confusing and would appear to me to be unnecessary in most circumstances. That a right exists doesn't mean that actions around it must be unregulated. Even with the Second Amendment most people support an age limits on gun and ammunition sales for example. A right to an action just means the government can't come up with a regulation scheme that prohibits you from any practical exercise of that right.
Agree with you 100 percent.
Yeah, the author's disdain for "backwards" Kansans was painfully visible, even in her effort to find people who she felt were worth talking to.
And seriously, Overland KS and Manhattan are bluer than blue.
I don’t think Manhattan KS is blue at all, but Lawrence and OP are for sure.
Manhattan is blue in the sense that the professors and students at K-State are blue. What percentage of the population that is varies at different points throughout the year.
I lived in Manhattan from 2000-2003--got my M.A. at Kansas State. The English Department (where I studied) was Woke before that was even a commonly used term. The pressure that was placed on me, as a moderate classical liberal, to "convert" to their Far-Left ideology was identical in tactics to the pressure my birthmother and her friends had placed on me to become an evangelical Christian; the details of what I "had" to believe were the only difference.
On 9/12/01, I was surrounded by people who thought we "deserved" 9/11.
I can only imagine what it is like now, 20 years later.
Charlie Munger (Berkshire Hathaway) once said (I paraphrase) that a man was looking for the purest example of communism and after searching and searching finally found two examples: Albania and the entire English Dept. of Yale University.
I believe 95% of any college towns are blue. The economy is usually disproportionately driven by the university, as are the local politics.
Iowa is a red state, for the most part, but Iowa City is extremely liberal.
Iowa City and increasingly Des Moines. Iowa is purple overall, and I like it that way.
When we lived in Cedar Rapids, there was a joke that someone who drove a Mercedes in Cedar Rapids was probably a Republican, but someone who drove a Mercedes in Iowa City was probably a Democrat.
Okay, I hope you don't mind me using that line, but I'll keep you out of it.
I live in CR but operate a restaurant in IC. The difference between the two cultures is remarkable. During the pandemic, most restaurants in CR operated as normal, but in IC, they were shut down.
The students in IC still can be seen wearing masks as they traverse the town, which shows how much damage we did to our youth during the pandemic, imho, all to remove Trump from office.
I didn't originate the joke, so you are welcome to it. :~)
Manhattan, KS is purple (in the political sense -- which is oddly fitting, considering K-State's fanatical devotion to the darker of its school colors).
As is Lawrence! As a Kansas girl at heart (even though I only lived there for 8 years in my 30s), I found her choices of interview subjects to be wildly out of touch.