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Nov 8, 2023·edited Nov 8, 2023

What should we do about Elon Musk? Should we nationalize his companies? Force him in reeducation camp, so we correct his wrong think?

For me Elon Musk has wielded his power much better than many other billionaires, he is not running sham foundations and pushing his medical ideas to us (Bill Gates), he is not pushing his BS political ideology to rest of us (George Soros), he is paying his employees well and forcing them to pee in bags and bottles (Jeff Bezos), he is not spying on us (Mark Zuckerberg), he was not patronizing Epstein's "love" island (Leon David Black)

From all billionaires Elon is the most normal one, sure his is excentric but by no mean some evil genius who is trying to push his own BS to rest of us.

Elons only crime is that he doesnt fund nether Democrats nor Republicans, and our politicians can't forgive him that.

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Forget that Musk embarrassed the Military Industrial Complex by creating a company that could AFORDABLY send satellites and astronauts into space or that he exposed the collusion between our government and OTHER tech billionaires in censoring Americans, Bari thinks he has too much power. Instead of being just another billionaire toady, apparently with just the right amount of power, he has refused to sell his soul to the deep state and now he is paying the price. I didn't listen to the audio but i doubt there was any discussion of Biden’s JustUs Department suing SpaceX for Discriminating Against Asylees or his SEC is suing to force Musk to testify over his purchase of Twitter. None of that seems to concern Bari, apparently the government is entitled to all the power it needs to destroy anyone that threatens their control. What does seem to concern her is that Musk has tossed around the idea of providing Palestinians Wi-Fi, which seems a curious position for someone espousing The Free Press. I mean, why wouldn’t she want them to have an alternative information source to hate filled Islamist propaganda? Yet another question she and Walter Isaacson ignored.

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If they DID have internet access, do you really think that they would use it to seek out WESTERN information, or Hamas influence agitprop?

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If you're a free speech absolutist, you believe they should have the choice. What they do with that opportunity is up to them. If you're a free speech censor, or a Hamas propagandist you deny them that choice. Which side are you on?

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You didn't answer my question! As for "free speech", that is an AMERICAN thing that prevents GOVERNMENT from restricting it. What Elon does, or doesn't do, in a foreign country is irrelevant. Just as in the NFL, the employer has a legal right to dictate terms of allowable speech.

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"do you really think that they would use it to seek out WESTERN information or Hamas influence agitprop?"

Since they already have access to Hamas influence agitprop, I'm going with WESTERN information.

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So, you are banking on the average Gazan to go against two to three generations of brainwashing? The "better angels of their nature"?

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It doesn't matter. The information and access is what should be available. How people use it is up to them.

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Not if it enhances Hamas' operations against Israel! You may not have considered that Hamas would be one of the beneficiaries of Musk's benevolence.

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Well, I would normally agree with you about the issue of free speech in general, in this case, Wi-Fi is not just “Wi-Fi”. I’m no expert in military strategy and operations, but I believe the idea behind cutting Gaza off Wi-Fi was to minimize their ability to organize militarily.

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Israel has some of the best hackers in the world. Part of the reason for our success in places like Midway during WWII was that we broke the Japanese codes and knew exactly what they were planning. I’m not a techie but I suspect hacking Wi-Fi is exponentially easier.

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Timothy, I wish you were my neighbor so that we could sit around and solve the problems of the world. And judging from your name I would guess Hawaii? If you live THERE then I wouldn't mind moving!

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I don’t think we’ll ever see another person in our lifetime who has accomplished what Elon has. I listened to the audio. Yes, he can be a meany at work. Show me anyone who truly accomplished seemingly impossible things and they’re never warm and fuzzy. He’s a complicated man but one of the most interesting people alive today.

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But you didn't listen to the audio

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He absolutely is spying on us. It's all in X's privacy policy.

That said, I don't have Elon Derangement Syndrome like everyone on the Left. And yes he has exercised great restraint given the power he has and he doesn't get enough credit for it. Instead left media likes to paint him as dangerous or a pariah because he's not one of them.

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I don't use X. But even then compared to Zuckerberg (Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp) Elon is small fish in grand scale of spying

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For now, yes, X's user base is a lot smaller. But his plan is to expand it by a lot and make it all ecompassing like WeChat. He might very well fail. But it's false to say he's not spying on us. The invasion of privacy is huge to anyone who signs up and uses X.

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Last I heard, one is still free to sign up for and/or use X. Or choose not to do so.

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The same can be said about Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok too then. Does that also mean Zuckerberg and China is not infringing on people's privacy?

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Of course they are; not to mention Google (in spades), Apple, Amazon, and a host of others. Some are more difficult to avoid than others.... but (silly me) I was responding to the subject at hand.

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If you're not paying for something, you're what's being sold. I don't have any particular problem with Fakebook or Twadder selling the info that the glean from my use. As with most, I think the issue is that Fuckerburg wanted his cake (protection under 1996's Telecommunications act) but also to act as an arbiter of what is said on his platform (censoring conservatives).

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Is "spying" not inherent in the technology?

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Nov 8, 2023·edited Nov 8, 2023

Elon mostly ended Twitter as a tool for the DNC to push: gender-agenda, DEI, Ukraine war, Russia is bad, China is bad, suppression of news

Notice, Bari and Oliver that you are mad at Elon when YOU, Bari, are making your mark fighting the same problem!

This is all about X. This is ONLY about X. Come on, Bari & Oliver. This is just your revenant "gotta git dem" leftism gasping...

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I am with Raziel. Another hit piece on Elon because he is not your run of the mill billionaire spending his money to advance lefts causes like Zuckerberg. Why do we not see articles asking if Larry Page and/or Sundar Picha have too much power withe their 60+% control of all internet searches in the world. And who said they are not biased or controlled results. Google probably has more information on all of us than the NSA. (Don't you get tired of how Google wants you to instal Crome?) What about YouTub and their restrictions on content that matches their world beliefs. Then you have Zuckerberg with his millions, meddling to local elections, controlling the content on Facebook and Instagram. As Raziel pointed out, we have Bill Gates who probably contributed materially to the harms of the mRNA vaccine

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Can i give you three stars for your above post? They can't stand him because he is not the government and the government can still do no wrong in their lights even though it be run during the last four administrations by a sexual predator, race hustler, crazy narcissist, and dementia wracked mendacious grifter.

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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as "bad luck.”

- Robert Heinlin

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Well I can. He’s done nothing that requires forgiveness and has been a voice of reason in a world gone guano. I guess he’s despised by the cretans he’s exposed but it’s not like the general populace had no idea.

The leftist tyrants have hijacked too much power with obscene wealth and I’m grateful that some one with like resources has been willing to just NOT attempt to coerce society into groupthink and even return some of that stolen power. The right to free speech is a two way street or it’s not free at all.

I stand in support of Israel yet I don’t hold it against Mr Musk to extend his hand to the (true occupiers) the so called Palestinians. They are the descendants of Sephardic Arab people who were not given sanctuary by any of the Arab nations upon the reestablishment of Israel. It was a setup from the beginning to create what has become unceasing grievance and a poor excuse to attack the Israelis.

And attack they have, many times.

They have refused every offer to come to a diplomatic solution. Not because the terms were overly harsh or unfair, but because they have NO desire to make peace.

Hamas and Hezbollah are not rational or generally reasonable ppl. I don’t think that every “Palestinian” is evil but their leadership is. Muslim communities around the world outside of the Middle East should condemn all terrorist attacks. Why have they not? Let them answer if they dare.

I am of Irish descent almost exclusively but I remember the terrorist attacks by the IRA. My mother had relatives killed by British forces yet she vehemently condemned terrorism.

It is disingenuous to say that Netanyahu supported Islamist terrorists. Biden actually did when his admin left millions of taxpayer funded military equipment for the Taliban to play with. Brilliant maneuver. Go Joe, so proud. 13 fell while their leaders became state sponsors of terrorism. It didn’t have to happen that way but hey, we were careful to use the right pronouns so it’s all good.

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Excellent use of the word “guano!”

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Why aren't we asking that about George Soros?

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Or Bill Gates? Or Jeff..

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I’d argue that Elon is a modern day mistro. The fact that this article starts with “Elon is this, that and the third” shows how powerful of a wand he waves

So much so, he has the whole world believing we can go to space -- when we clearly can’t....

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-great-spacex-deception

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Good to know then don’t buy the stock I guess

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Yet. Can't go yet. But the man is making strides.

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Hello no! What an insipid, disingenuous, inflammatory (are you a Leftard, author) question when 400 billionaires own 56%+ of the GLOBAL WEALTH, yet this ONE MAN, via his purchase of Twitter, may have SAVED democracy!

Elon is one of the VERY FEW of these M who actually has made a difference for all (e.g., Twitter, Tesla, SpaceX, StarLink).

Whine about something/someone ELSE, OK?

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Nov 8, 2023·edited Nov 8, 2023

Oh the others have absolutely made a difference. They made the world worse. They use their power and money to impose their views on us.

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Bari is still a hardcore leftist, but pretending to be center right pays better. And she can't be fired.

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One can also choose not to read her.

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What would be the fun in that? 😂 I don't live in a bubble.

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Agreed! And busted clock moments most days exceed the allowed quota.

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Alas you’re right.

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I've got to say, you are not wrong. Her latest articles and podcasts are making that very clear. It's disappointing. She reports the "truth" when she doesn't disagree with it. It's still better than the alternative.

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TikTok comes to mind...

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I am amused by the obsession of our self-appointed master class and their obsession with Elon Musk. Is he in the league of Rockefeller, Morgan, Vanderbilt, or Carnegie? I don't think the Robber Barrons are worried about him taking over that mantle from them. The impact of Twitter was overblown. I can look at the Huff Post ( painful) , Breitbart, Drudge, the Hill, and Real Clear Politics and see the different viewpoints. The Internet and the ease of getting information lessens the impact of the Musk's of the world. Teslas are nice cars, and Spacelink is neat. But are 99.8% of the population affected by Musk? Not at all. For me, it's all driven by the need for clicks and the human brain's desire for the heels and heroes of the world; it's natural. In the end, he has no real power to affect anyone's lives, and that is in the hands of a soon-to-be 81-year-old imbecile, and if he happens to go, that cackling fool of the V.P., I worry about them much more than I do Musk.

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Does <Insert name of politically active billionaire> have too much power?

But, yeah, let's write about Musk and only Musk. This is where media's prejudices really stand out.

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Really? Does Mr Soros? Mr Gates? Mr Fink? Or does the "excess power" concern about filthy richards apply only to those with whom one may disagree?

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“Filthy Richards”

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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(Blushes) I was once accused by friends (the few, the exemplars of poor taste, I sometimes think) of having originated the expression "ripped off." I know that I did not. I don't think that I'm the prime vector for the subject but I might be. Thanks, either way.

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That intro on the Musk piece was ridiculous. I know it is in the headline genre, but try to control your tendency to shriek about things. And, by the way, Walter Isaacson is not Musk. He’s a guy with an agenda. Everything he writes comes with his agenda.

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When I think Walter Isaacson, I see him on MSNBC with the ever vacuous Mika fawning all over him. A mere seven months ago, didn't he comment about Biden that he is "strong" and his "happy populism" has him 'fighting for the little guy'?

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Well, I don't watch MSNBC and would run screaming from the execrable Mika and her mush mouth co-host if they popped up on my TV. That said, I have read several of Isaacson's bios and there are generally informative. You just need to have your BS detector turned on as you read.

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Is she still bleeding from the face lift?

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I would argue the BS detectors should be up and running every single time you read anything written by anyone at any time. I enjoy watching Musk and seeing what he is up to, and I certainly think the Twitter files story was an important one, but he is still a man with his own agenda who has little or nothing to do with my best interests.

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Why ever would you expect a total stranger to have anything to do with "[your] best interests"?

If your point was everyone has an agenda, well, that's a trivial observation. If rather you are making some sort of political statement, it isn't very clear.

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I'm sorry that happened to you. Thoughts and prayers.

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Unfortunately, I feel like I must watch it from time to time as I have way too many family and friends who watch MSNBC and CNN on a regular basis. No wonder they remain so ill-informed.

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Isaacson has an amazing ability to secure “authorised” biographies but he is a mediocre writer who badly needs a stringent editor; the repetition in his books is irritating and the “insights” are fatuous. In person, he takes himself VERY seriously.

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Dispassionate journalism does not exist, and in reality, it never HAS! Everyone writes through a filter, even the best of them (a very small club!).

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True. But there were at least journalistic standards imposed by powerful editors at newspapers and in newsrooms. Now they just retweet.

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What's the remedy to Musk's supposedly "excess" power? Tolerate government's efforts to silence what they don't like to read? Nationalize X? Sic the regulators on him?

FP has bristled against all that, regularly, so I find this bit a bit dissonant.

The cure must not be worse than the purported problem.

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It seems like his companies have been affected to some degree by the reversal of public opinion on the guy. (Believe it or not, Musk used to be an uncomplicated hero in the public imagination.)

I think that's the point in discussing him. Most media doesn't present as balanced a perspective as the FP though.

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Sorry, I know the FP has their issues with this guy, but I LOVE him.

YES, he's scattered, all over the place, and a inconsistent with things. Especially X.

BUT, he's hyperproductive and by and large has done INCREDIBLE things for the world. Look at all the OTHER billionaire asshats out there (Soros, Gates, did I mention Soros?)

I bought a Tesla partially because I wanted to support the guy.

So yeah rock on Elon

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I love seeing Musk Derangement Syndrome in action daily.

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The only people/persons that have too much power are our employees, the dimwits in Wash DC! We the people need to organize and demand term limits and abolish lobbyists.

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Here here!

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I wonder if Bari thinks musk had too much power when he allowed her unfettered access to the Twitter files? This kind of clickbait- headlined pandering, days after accepting the Dao award is pathetic. Breathhless softball interviews of MSNBC darlings like Isaacson will never bring redemption to Bari. Nothing will. She will never again be one of the leftist “cool kids.” They despise her now. But they know she craves it and they will use her platform and laugh behind her back every time.

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Anyone heard of Larry Fink? The dangerous one's keep it all on the down low.

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Elon Musk has as much power as we choose to give him -- no more, no less. As any other, to exercise power he must have acceptance of the majority. He's no strong man, and this isn't Argentina.

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And the greatest gift is he is a citizen of our republic not under the thumb of the CCP.

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Amen

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A few years back, I read that about 10% of Americans had Twitter accounts, and that 80% or more of political content was generated by 20% or fewer accounts. This means that the Twitter pipeline of political information is generated by 2% of Americans.

And, it's safe to presume, mostly for those 2%.

It's a microcosm that, due to its noisiness and its composition (media, politicians, wonks, and other players in the political sandbox), is seen as having a lot more power than the numbers warrant.

Want to minimize its influence? Don't play the game. Don't presume that the loud harpies there are representative of everyone.

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