The cooking and cleaning meme kinda belies the fact that women's roles have been so intensely replaced by technology. A woman's role traditionally wasn't just "cooking a cleaning" those are simply the last vestiges -- women made pottery, sewed/knit/weaved, fetched water, made candles, canned and preserved food, and a lot more. A woman had a full day of work. With modern technology, if all a woman needs to do is to cook and clean each day, she'd be done in an hour, then spend the other 15 hours of her day watching TV or using social media. Even child-rearing has become streamlined and simplified -- most mothers simply send their kids to daycare/school, give their kids a phone with TikTok, and check out.
Second-wave feminism was driven by technological change, not social change. Machines and globalization created a world where women's roles were no longer needed, so women sought out new roles. We can regret it, sure. And some families do try to turn back the clock by homesteading and going off-grid (or at least reducing reliance on technology). But that's not the lifestyle most people are prepared for because it's *hard*.
That's why women need women friends; they need to talk to someone who understands what they are talking about. When my wife complains about something, I suggest that she talk to her friends, they'll understand. That takes the pressure off of both of us. Most people, especially women, don't want you to "fix" the problem, the just want you to listen and most men get bored just listening. I'm a fix it kind of guy, so I just shut up and listen, or think about something else while she's going on and on.
Yes! ‘Division of labor’ works when both people in the relationship chip in. It’s not so good when one or the other is lazy, doesn’t want to learn or is incapable of learning. Marriage is ‘good work’.
Paglia is brilliant & insightful. She observed and learned lots via her Italian-American family. She also bemoans the loss of single sex spaces and has talked about their importance.
“She replied that she had three requirements for him: stop smoking, stop drinking, and stop gambling.”
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His requirements: start cooking, start cleaning, stop talking.
The cooking and cleaning meme kinda belies the fact that women's roles have been so intensely replaced by technology. A woman's role traditionally wasn't just "cooking a cleaning" those are simply the last vestiges -- women made pottery, sewed/knit/weaved, fetched water, made candles, canned and preserved food, and a lot more. A woman had a full day of work. With modern technology, if all a woman needs to do is to cook and clean each day, she'd be done in an hour, then spend the other 15 hours of her day watching TV or using social media. Even child-rearing has become streamlined and simplified -- most mothers simply send their kids to daycare/school, give their kids a phone with TikTok, and check out.
Second-wave feminism was driven by technological change, not social change. Machines and globalization created a world where women's roles were no longer needed, so women sought out new roles. We can regret it, sure. And some families do try to turn back the clock by homesteading and going off-grid (or at least reducing reliance on technology). But that's not the lifestyle most people are prepared for because it's *hard*.
I think this is a really underrated point.
That's why women need women friends; they need to talk to someone who understands what they are talking about. When my wife complains about something, I suggest that she talk to her friends, they'll understand. That takes the pressure off of both of us. Most people, especially women, don't want you to "fix" the problem, the just want you to listen and most men get bored just listening. I'm a fix it kind of guy, so I just shut up and listen, or think about something else while she's going on and on.
WICKEDLY HUMOROUS, AS USUAL! But you forgot the one OTHER requirement that comes after "stop talking"! 😂
Yes, but then the reply would be, “it better be good”.
Followed by start earning, start fixing, start mowing. There is something to be said for old fashioned division of labor.
Yes! ‘Division of labor’ works when both people in the relationship chip in. It’s not so good when one or the other is lazy, doesn’t want to learn or is incapable of learning. Marriage is ‘good work’.
I found it interesting that the hyper-feminist Camille Paglia was all about division of labor. Men had their world, women had theirs. It worked.
Paglia is brilliant & insightful. She observed and learned lots via her Italian-American family. She also bemoans the loss of single sex spaces and has talked about their importance.
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