Tucker has replaced Donald Trump in the left wing’s attack dog mentality. He often makes his point using sarcasm, but just as the left took Trump literally every single day, they are doing the same thing to Tucker Carlson. The problem for them is that he has far more viewers than anyone on MSNBC or CNN, and try as they might to cancel hi…
Tucker has replaced Donald Trump in the left wing’s attack dog mentality. He often makes his point using sarcasm, but just as the left took Trump literally every single day, they are doing the same thing to Tucker Carlson. The problem for them is that he has far more viewers than anyone on MSNBC or CNN, and try as they might to cancel him, FOX has stood by him. And now they’ve given him another platform on their paid streaming site, Fox Nation. Since the start of the pandemic Carlson has asked legitimate questions that no one else is asking. He has taken the CDC to task for its contradictory advice. And now that the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it he has questioned the continuing mask charade, which suggests that the vaccine must not work in some people’s minds. It’s a legitimate point and undermines the vaccine for those who haven’t taken it yet.
So now we need to take Carlson "seriously but not literally"? C'mon, it's obvious he's just joking, right? Just like Trump! These credulous liberals just don't get it. These past six years have all been for the lulz! (That was sarcasm.)
Tell me, was he being sarcastic when, in response to the Johnson & Johnson paranoia, he decided to *add* to the potential vaccine hesitancy by suggesting that "something else" must be going on, since there's no way they would suspend the vaccine over a handful of deaths? I suppose he was just trying to teach the CDC a lesson about how misinformation can spread as a result of overly cautious messaging. Good ol' Tucker. (That was also sarcasm.)
I guess he was also being ironic, or something, when he went on about how the QAnon phenomenon was just some made up controversy being used by the left as a way of silencing people on the right. I mean, they don't even have a website! (He literally said that - who knows if he was serious.)
Let me tell you why the left, and many on the moderate right, despise Carlson. Because he has the largest platform on TV and uses it to whip up irresponsible, lib-owning, right-wing grievance for the sake of his own ratings. And once in a while he'll actually toe the line of responsible journalism - like when he was one of the few pundits on the right to take the coronavirus seriously. So seriously that after a vague denouncement of misleading Republican rhetoric, he went down to Mar-a-lago to tell Trump himself he needed to start taking the pandemic seriously. Because that's what good journalists do - use their political connections to criticize favored politicians in private instead of publicly. (Once again, sarcasm.)
He was also willing to expose Sidney Powell - great! Yet he still gives lip-service to this paper thin idea that "there was fraud in this election" so that Trump's Big Lie has room to breathe. I mean, it's not Trump's fault he listens to people who tell him what he wants to hear, right? No reason he should be held responsible. (You get the idea by now ...)
And I'm not even getting into his increasingly xenophobic nods to white replacement theory.
There is plenty on the left worthy of criticism. I know, since I've been some shade of left pretty much my entire adult life. If he wanted, Carlson could be a responsible, mature voice in this conversation. It might cost him some viewers, but it would help the country heal.
Instead he chooses cultural grievance-mining, "just asking questions" conspiracy-mongering, and defensive carping about "free speech", unable to rise above his own personal loyalties and ever-growing victim mentality. And no matter what, he *still* can't tell his audience what they really need to hear - that their Orange God King is a con-man who never deserved their trust, and is now using them to undermine our democracy and national unity every bit as much as the extreme leftists he rails against.
Because you don't bite the hand that feeds you. That's one principle he does take seriously.
"fraud" as used in the context of the 2020 election is broader than the standard legal definition. There was A LOT of, shall we say, extracurricular activity that may (or may not) have been illegal, but was quite shady.
Tucker is not xenophobic and does not "nod" to white supremacy.
The list is very, very long, but I'll throw out a few things:
1) Dems, media, and tech colluding to squash the Hunter Biden laptop story.
2) Dems, media, and tech colluding to squash the Biden/China relationship stories.
3) Dems, media, and tech colluding to squash the effective HCQ treatment to prolong the pandemic and increase deaths to hurt Trump.
4) Dems, media, and tech colluding to change the death count from "death due to COVID" to "death with COVID" to inflate the true toll of the virus to hurt Trump.
5) Ballot harvesting which allows the harvester to select which ballots to turn in. (Did you notice that where Republicans finally learned to play the ballot harvesting game, in CA, they won back a number of House seats?)
6) Dems, media, and big tech colluding to massively expand the cheat/vote by mail process which has been irrefutably shown to have an extremely high "irregularity" rate.
7) PA changing their voting practices without going through the legislature as was required.
8) Unexplained, large swings in vote tallies after Dems have sent everyone home from the voting stations.
9) Dems, media, and big tech colluding to extend and rabidly publicize a story that was known to be false: Russia Collusion.
I have zero doubt that history will show the 2020 POTUS election as more fraudulent than the 1960 POTUS election.
Well, this is a BIG digression from the thread's original topic, but your points are all valid, despite Eric73's that they're all "easily debunkable nonsense".
But there's more. Lots more. If you want to go down that rabbit hole, there's the entrance:
Waiting for the debunking, but I'm not holding my breath. What is not mentioned there or in very many other places is that volunteer door-to-door canvassers in Maricopa County, AZ discovered between 11% and 31% manifestly bogus ballots cast last November, from a partial, totally random selection of ballots.
I think I love you. Thanks for this recitation. I especially liked the ballot harvesting mention. In the 18 mid-terms the Rs lost 6 seats in Orange County, CA that they were winning the day after the election. I had never heard of ballot harvesting until then and I had to read the definition and practice five times to make sure I was reading it correctly. Sounds like a scam, and yes, good for the Rs to fight back with the same tactics.
Ok, so I'm going to have to give you a backhanded thanks for your other comment about how happy it makes you that people like me dislike Carlson.
You see, I was actually going to take the trouble to respond to all of this, and explain, with patience and good faith, how just about everything you've said here is easily debunkable nonsense. Now that I've seen your level of maturity, however, I realize there's no point.
And no, aside from saving me some work, this does not make me happy. It makes me rather sad. If "owning the libs" is so enjoyable to you, (like that fool from "American Greatness" who wrote an article about how he isn't getting vaccinated specifically to piss off the people he hates), then have at it. You are only "owning" people in your own mind.
Just remember, the history books don't get written by Fox News, but by academics. People who care about getting facts right - not lib-owning, culture wars, television ratings, or clicks. I can guarantee that you are on the wrong side of history.
https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/29/maggie-williams-collapses-mask-mandate-oregon/ There is a point where the mask mandate makes no sense at all. See above. Granted they did change the rules after the runner collapsed on the finish line. But it was TRACK and it was OUTDOORS. Track runners are always spaced. It was ... not following the science to put masks on those kids running track.
Kinda like I have no intention of wearing a mask once I get my second shot (in a week) unless I am around someone who specifically asks that I wear one. Then I will of course respond with courtesy and do so.
Where did I say I was not to be questioned? Yes, my tone was flippant ... perhaps that was a mistake. Sometimes it is difficult not to feel flabbergasted. But I responded to a comment claiming that Carlson's opponents have simply made him into a convenient bogeyman without merit. And I responded with specific examples demonstrating exactly why many of us feel the way we do, since apparently a good number of people on this comment page are unaware. You are welcome to disagree.
But...if just a few hundred people across the country call CPS, it could start sending the message that we aren't putting up with your shit anymore. Two can play that game. They have punched us; it is time to punch back.
I like Tucker a lot - he has insights no one else has, and he's opened my eyes to things such as that the wealthy elite couples who will defend that single parenting is totally cool for the lower classes themselves make significant sacrifices and exert a lot of effort to stay in the family unit. That is not to be thought of lightly.
But sometimes he's wrong. He was wrong during his diatribe about females in the armed forces, and he's wrong that masking outdoors is always useless and to be actively scorned. There were better ways to make the point that individual freedoms should be championed than to leave every viewer with the clear impression that all outside masking is stupid. He's actively adding to the politicization of masking.
But all outside masking is stupid and should be scorned in the same way folks like Joy Reid attempt to scorn us for not following their misguided (that's a euphamism) directives and toeing their leftist lines...and, btw, Tuckers monologue about women in the military was not opposing women in the military, it was opposing lowering standards for women in the military and carving out special treatments for women in the military. He is correct in that.
It was opposing reasonable things like allowing women to have additional women's hairstyles and allowing pregnant women to keep doing their jobs until they can't, both of which are the opposite of lowering standards, because they don't change the job requirements if you can still do them, either while pregnant or with - egad - your hair slightly different.
"TUCKER CARLSON: So we've got new hairstyles and maternity flight suits. Pregnant women are going to fight our wars. It's a mockery of the US military. While China's military becomes more masculine as it's assembled the world's largest Navy, our military needs to become, as Joe Biden says, more feminine. Whatever feminine means anymore, since men and women no longer exist."
Do you honestly believe a woman who is 4 or more months pregnant should be in battle and/or can be as effective as a non-pregnant woman or a man? If so, you are anti-science. And exceptions do not disprove the rule.
And do you understand why even hairstyles are relevant? And on the last point, Carlson is also right as the left, led by Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, etc... are doing everything they possible can to negate, legally, the difference between males and females.
Finally, Tuckers primary point is that while our military is focusing on "social justice", China's military is focusing on being more effective. That is what is making a mockery of our military.
I saw that monologue, live. That is my take on it.
Plenty of need to fly planes, including cargo planes, from point A to point B away from front lines. I didn't express disagreement with any of the other points.
I think we agree on a lot. Most of all it was just a small thing, but you and I or Tucker and I can civilly disagree without me needing him to be canceled! It would be a huge loss for public discourse in our country to lose his thought-provoking voice.
I hear you, and I respectfully disagree. The propitiation of masking (oh, who are we kidding - the polarization of everything) is already there, I don't think he is adding anything to it. His is an opinion show, and I think it's a bit disrespectful to assume that his viewers follow his opinions blindly.
I'll adjust to say, with the same effect, "with the clear impression that his opinion is that all outside masking is stupid". And, with respect, once something is politicized one can always choose words that reduce that. On most topic Tucker does just that, actually.
Hmmm.... Tucker is trying to bring both sides opinions on whenever he can, but his show is political opinions, so political by design. As for the broader politization - sadly, I think we are beyond the point of no return: entertainment, sport, business became political. :(
Tucker has replaced Donald Trump in the left wing’s attack dog mentality. He often makes his point using sarcasm, but just as the left took Trump literally every single day, they are doing the same thing to Tucker Carlson. The problem for them is that he has far more viewers than anyone on MSNBC or CNN, and try as they might to cancel him, FOX has stood by him. And now they’ve given him another platform on their paid streaming site, Fox Nation. Since the start of the pandemic Carlson has asked legitimate questions that no one else is asking. He has taken the CDC to task for its contradictory advice. And now that the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it he has questioned the continuing mask charade, which suggests that the vaccine must not work in some people’s minds. It’s a legitimate point and undermines the vaccine for those who haven’t taken it yet.
So now we need to take Carlson "seriously but not literally"? C'mon, it's obvious he's just joking, right? Just like Trump! These credulous liberals just don't get it. These past six years have all been for the lulz! (That was sarcasm.)
Tell me, was he being sarcastic when, in response to the Johnson & Johnson paranoia, he decided to *add* to the potential vaccine hesitancy by suggesting that "something else" must be going on, since there's no way they would suspend the vaccine over a handful of deaths? I suppose he was just trying to teach the CDC a lesson about how misinformation can spread as a result of overly cautious messaging. Good ol' Tucker. (That was also sarcasm.)
I guess he was also being ironic, or something, when he went on about how the QAnon phenomenon was just some made up controversy being used by the left as a way of silencing people on the right. I mean, they don't even have a website! (He literally said that - who knows if he was serious.)
Let me tell you why the left, and many on the moderate right, despise Carlson. Because he has the largest platform on TV and uses it to whip up irresponsible, lib-owning, right-wing grievance for the sake of his own ratings. And once in a while he'll actually toe the line of responsible journalism - like when he was one of the few pundits on the right to take the coronavirus seriously. So seriously that after a vague denouncement of misleading Republican rhetoric, he went down to Mar-a-lago to tell Trump himself he needed to start taking the pandemic seriously. Because that's what good journalists do - use their political connections to criticize favored politicians in private instead of publicly. (Once again, sarcasm.)
He was also willing to expose Sidney Powell - great! Yet he still gives lip-service to this paper thin idea that "there was fraud in this election" so that Trump's Big Lie has room to breathe. I mean, it's not Trump's fault he listens to people who tell him what he wants to hear, right? No reason he should be held responsible. (You get the idea by now ...)
And I'm not even getting into his increasingly xenophobic nods to white replacement theory.
There is plenty on the left worthy of criticism. I know, since I've been some shade of left pretty much my entire adult life. If he wanted, Carlson could be a responsible, mature voice in this conversation. It might cost him some viewers, but it would help the country heal.
Instead he chooses cultural grievance-mining, "just asking questions" conspiracy-mongering, and defensive carping about "free speech", unable to rise above his own personal loyalties and ever-growing victim mentality. And no matter what, he *still* can't tell his audience what they really need to hear - that their Orange God King is a con-man who never deserved their trust, and is now using them to undermine our democracy and national unity every bit as much as the extreme leftists he rails against.
Because you don't bite the hand that feeds you. That's one principle he does take seriously.
"fraud" as used in the context of the 2020 election is broader than the standard legal definition. There was A LOT of, shall we say, extracurricular activity that may (or may not) have been illegal, but was quite shady.
Tucker is not xenophobic and does not "nod" to white supremacy.
"Extracurricular activity?" Such as?
The list is very, very long, but I'll throw out a few things:
1) Dems, media, and tech colluding to squash the Hunter Biden laptop story.
2) Dems, media, and tech colluding to squash the Biden/China relationship stories.
3) Dems, media, and tech colluding to squash the effective HCQ treatment to prolong the pandemic and increase deaths to hurt Trump.
4) Dems, media, and tech colluding to change the death count from "death due to COVID" to "death with COVID" to inflate the true toll of the virus to hurt Trump.
5) Ballot harvesting which allows the harvester to select which ballots to turn in. (Did you notice that where Republicans finally learned to play the ballot harvesting game, in CA, they won back a number of House seats?)
6) Dems, media, and big tech colluding to massively expand the cheat/vote by mail process which has been irrefutably shown to have an extremely high "irregularity" rate.
7) PA changing their voting practices without going through the legislature as was required.
8) Unexplained, large swings in vote tallies after Dems have sent everyone home from the voting stations.
9) Dems, media, and big tech colluding to extend and rabidly publicize a story that was known to be false: Russia Collusion.
I have zero doubt that history will show the 2020 POTUS election as more fraudulent than the 1960 POTUS election.
Well, this is a BIG digression from the thread's original topic, but your points are all valid, despite Eric73's that they're all "easily debunkable nonsense".
But there's more. Lots more. If you want to go down that rabbit hole, there's the entrance:
https://www.depernolaw.com/
Waiting for the debunking, but I'm not holding my breath. What is not mentioned there or in very many other places is that volunteer door-to-door canvassers in Maricopa County, AZ discovered between 11% and 31% manifestly bogus ballots cast last November, from a partial, totally random selection of ballots.
It ain't over 'til it's over. And it ain't over.
I think I love you. Thanks for this recitation. I especially liked the ballot harvesting mention. In the 18 mid-terms the Rs lost 6 seats in Orange County, CA that they were winning the day after the election. I had never heard of ballot harvesting until then and I had to read the definition and practice five times to make sure I was reading it correctly. Sounds like a scam, and yes, good for the Rs to fight back with the same tactics.
Ok, so I'm going to have to give you a backhanded thanks for your other comment about how happy it makes you that people like me dislike Carlson.
You see, I was actually going to take the trouble to respond to all of this, and explain, with patience and good faith, how just about everything you've said here is easily debunkable nonsense. Now that I've seen your level of maturity, however, I realize there's no point.
And no, aside from saving me some work, this does not make me happy. It makes me rather sad. If "owning the libs" is so enjoyable to you, (like that fool from "American Greatness" who wrote an article about how he isn't getting vaccinated specifically to piss off the people he hates), then have at it. You are only "owning" people in your own mind.
Just remember, the history books don't get written by Fox News, but by academics. People who care about getting facts right - not lib-owning, culture wars, television ratings, or clicks. I can guarantee that you are on the wrong side of history.
https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/29/maggie-williams-collapses-mask-mandate-oregon/ There is a point where the mask mandate makes no sense at all. See above. Granted they did change the rules after the runner collapsed on the finish line. But it was TRACK and it was OUTDOORS. Track runners are always spaced. It was ... not following the science to put masks on those kids running track.
Kinda like I have no intention of wearing a mask once I get my second shot (in a week) unless I am around someone who specifically asks that I wear one. Then I will of course respond with courtesy and do so.
I am in between shots, and haven't worn a mask since before my first. No one has said a word, and if they did I would have a response. (I live in TX.)
Wow, are you completely and utterly convinced of your own self-righteousness and total, not to be questioned, forever correctness, or what? Shudder.
Where did I say I was not to be questioned? Yes, my tone was flippant ... perhaps that was a mistake. Sometimes it is difficult not to feel flabbergasted. But I responded to a comment claiming that Carlson's opponents have simply made him into a convenient bogeyman without merit. And I responded with specific examples demonstrating exactly why many of us feel the way we do, since apparently a good number of people on this comment page are unaware. You are welcome to disagree.
We understand you, and many others, don't like Carlson and some hate him. That makes us happy, and me especially happy. Good for the goose, and all...
Thank you for making me smile today.
100%. Tucker is great, and was using hyperbole to make a point - taking it out of context is really disappointing
But...if just a few hundred people across the country call CPS, it could start sending the message that we aren't putting up with your shit anymore. Two can play that game. They have punched us; it is time to punch back.
Yes!
I like Tucker a lot - he has insights no one else has, and he's opened my eyes to things such as that the wealthy elite couples who will defend that single parenting is totally cool for the lower classes themselves make significant sacrifices and exert a lot of effort to stay in the family unit. That is not to be thought of lightly.
But sometimes he's wrong. He was wrong during his diatribe about females in the armed forces, and he's wrong that masking outdoors is always useless and to be actively scorned. There were better ways to make the point that individual freedoms should be championed than to leave every viewer with the clear impression that all outside masking is stupid. He's actively adding to the politicization of masking.
But all outside masking is stupid and should be scorned in the same way folks like Joy Reid attempt to scorn us for not following their misguided (that's a euphamism) directives and toeing their leftist lines...and, btw, Tuckers monologue about women in the military was not opposing women in the military, it was opposing lowering standards for women in the military and carving out special treatments for women in the military. He is correct in that.
It was opposing reasonable things like allowing women to have additional women's hairstyles and allowing pregnant women to keep doing their jobs until they can't, both of which are the opposite of lowering standards, because they don't change the job requirements if you can still do them, either while pregnant or with - egad - your hair slightly different.
"TUCKER CARLSON: So we've got new hairstyles and maternity flight suits. Pregnant women are going to fight our wars. It's a mockery of the US military. While China's military becomes more masculine as it's assembled the world's largest Navy, our military needs to become, as Joe Biden says, more feminine. Whatever feminine means anymore, since men and women no longer exist."
Do you honestly believe a woman who is 4 or more months pregnant should be in battle and/or can be as effective as a non-pregnant woman or a man? If so, you are anti-science. And exceptions do not disprove the rule.
And do you understand why even hairstyles are relevant? And on the last point, Carlson is also right as the left, led by Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, etc... are doing everything they possible can to negate, legally, the difference between males and females.
Finally, Tuckers primary point is that while our military is focusing on "social justice", China's military is focusing on being more effective. That is what is making a mockery of our military.
I saw that monologue, live. That is my take on it.
Plenty of need to fly planes, including cargo planes, from point A to point B away from front lines. I didn't express disagreement with any of the other points.
Fair point...
I think we agree on a lot. Most of all it was just a small thing, but you and I or Tucker and I can civilly disagree without me needing him to be canceled! It would be a huge loss for public discourse in our country to lose his thought-provoking voice.
I hear you, and I respectfully disagree. The propitiation of masking (oh, who are we kidding - the polarization of everything) is already there, I don't think he is adding anything to it. His is an opinion show, and I think it's a bit disrespectful to assume that his viewers follow his opinions blindly.
I'll adjust to say, with the same effect, "with the clear impression that his opinion is that all outside masking is stupid". And, with respect, once something is politicized one can always choose words that reduce that. On most topic Tucker does just that, actually.
Hmmm.... Tucker is trying to bring both sides opinions on whenever he can, but his show is political opinions, so political by design. As for the broader politization - sadly, I think we are beyond the point of no return: entertainment, sport, business became political. :(
Exactly, if we're going to treat hyperbole as inexcusable, there are a lot of anchors, pundits, journalists and activists that need called out.