Yes Barri the level of stupidity from a whole lot of people is astonishing, but I won’t be getting a vaccination. Why? Because my doc says that this Vax exacerbates shingles. I’ve had the shingles vaccine and booster and recently I got very bad shingles and then another mild case after that. I’m not going to amp up shingles to avoi…
Yes Barri the level of stupidity from a whole lot of people is astonishing, but I won’t be getting a vaccination. Why? Because my doc says that this Vax exacerbates shingles. I’ve had the shingles vaccine and booster and recently I got very bad shingles and then another mild case after that. I’m not going to amp up shingles to avoid getting something that has a like 99% recovery rate. Who knows, I might have already had it asymptomatically.
And BTW, CDC guidelines, mimicked by almost every health dept, say wear a mask indoors IF you can’t maintain a 6 ft distance (now I guess they say 3 ft, go figure). Well that certainly morphed like lightning into wear a mask AND socially distance and now to be super careful wear TWO masks.
You could never get covid outside. Yet too many stalinistic mayors shit down playgrounds and tennis courts for months and months. And like sheep, America went along. Personally I’ve had enough and I act like I’ve had enough.
Then I would like to point out that you are one of the people who will be relying on herd immunity - so I hope for your sake that everyone else who DOESN'T have a good reason to avoid a vaccine will take it. (Also, the recovery rate is only 99% for the young. And COVID isn't going to just disappear. It will be with us as we age.)
Note that the "sheep" in India were told that they beat COVID, and that they should "act like" it by going about their normal religious rituals and other activities at this time of year. They're paying dearly for that now.
Shingles is netherworldish. Recovery is 2 to 6 weeks, if you are lucky. Pain starts with burning sensation, itching and/or numbness, or you can be lucky and get the trifecta. There is no cure from the shingles. You just try to reduce symptoms.
Please don't misunderstand. I am not denying that Unwoke has a legitimate reason to not take a vaccine (assuming these vaccines can exacerbate shingles, of which I have no knowledge). My point is that this is all the more reason for everyone else to get vaccinated, because people line Unwoke (as well as others who cannot receive vaccines for wholly legitimate reasons) will be relying on herd immunity. I am imploring people to not simply view this as a matter of personal liberties but as a matter of communal well-being. Our society, which guarantees our personal liberties, will not survive if we all decide we don't care about one another, or that every call to communal action is a scheme cooked up to scam people or trample their rights.
And just like that, the flu disappeared last year. Isn’t that amazing?
Some day perhaps, perhaps not based on the fools in charge, we might know exactly how many perished FROM covid rather than WITH covid. Until then, Perhaps we should all use common sense, which doesn’t appear too common anymore. Like wipe down shopping carts, which many don’t do even when fully masked. Or wash ones hands after being out and about. Or avoid sick people. You know things that one used to do, or should have, prior to the fearful pandemic.
Never Based on the idiocy of our “betters”, how do we know we haven’t reached herd immunity now? We don’t test for antibodies, we only have the number of “cases” amplified and even then, not the disposition.
If the press didn’t have the pandemic to shriek about in a disingenuous way, they’d have nothing. But again, thanks for the “concern”. May we never meet someday.
Listen my friend, I'm not trying to fight with you. I'm sorry if I was a bit snitty; I'm trying to convince my little brother to get vaccinated and encountering much of the same resistance that I'm seeing on this page. It's frustrating.
But this has nothing to do with your "betters" and everything to do with the devaluing of expertise. Your comment about the flu is a perfect example. Yes, it has an intuitive appeal. Maybe many of these COVID deaths are actually flu deaths? How could the flu just disappear?
Remarkable as it is, the virtual disappearance of the flu isn't a conjecture. We *know* it has happened because we are actually testing for it in the same volumes that we did in previous years, and those tests are actually coming back negative - we were getting less than 1% of the positive results we did in previous years.
People with expertise in epidemiology know better than to just say, "Huh, flu's disappeared. Weird. Oh well ..." They absolutely are interested in distinguishing between cases of COVID and the flu. Yet a culture of cynicism has taught too many of us that people who have expertise are really either just a bunch of know-nothings or sinister Machiavellians intent on oppressing their "inferiors" - when in fact they actually do know what they're talking about and are motivated simply by wanting to do their jobs properly and (in this instance) save lives.
The fact that we can't even unite over a pandemic without it becoming a part of our culture wars is rather depressing, don't you think?
What's even more depressing is big pharma. Just over the past 20 years alone these 'experts' have been fined BILLIONS of dollars for things like falsified data, misleading claims, bogus information, sloppy and careless handling of products, etc. But your saviors have already
figured these kinds of things into their business models, so no worries on your "fast tracked" miracle. But hey, follow the yellow brick road if that's (obviously) your comfort zone. Just stop demanding that everyone else worship the wizard with you.
I’ve had shingles and recently recovered from Covid. I’m
going to rely on my natural immunity now for Covid, which many Dr’s believe is as or more robust than the vaccine. In my case, I’d take Covid any day over shingles. Shingles was WAY worse.
I feel your shingles pain having had a bad case almost 40 years ago after major surgery. It is great that they now have vaccine for shingles although mainly for older folks I think. Good luck to you and may you stay healthy going forward
Yes Barri the level of stupidity from a whole lot of people is astonishing, but I won’t be getting a vaccination. Why? Because my doc says that this Vax exacerbates shingles. I’ve had the shingles vaccine and booster and recently I got very bad shingles and then another mild case after that. I’m not going to amp up shingles to avoid getting something that has a like 99% recovery rate. Who knows, I might have already had it asymptomatically.
And BTW, CDC guidelines, mimicked by almost every health dept, say wear a mask indoors IF you can’t maintain a 6 ft distance (now I guess they say 3 ft, go figure). Well that certainly morphed like lightning into wear a mask AND socially distance and now to be super careful wear TWO masks.
You could never get covid outside. Yet too many stalinistic mayors shit down playgrounds and tennis courts for months and months. And like sheep, America went along. Personally I’ve had enough and I act like I’ve had enough.
Then I would like to point out that you are one of the people who will be relying on herd immunity - so I hope for your sake that everyone else who DOESN'T have a good reason to avoid a vaccine will take it. (Also, the recovery rate is only 99% for the young. And COVID isn't going to just disappear. It will be with us as we age.)
Note that the "sheep" in India were told that they beat COVID, and that they should "act like" it by going about their normal religious rituals and other activities at this time of year. They're paying dearly for that now.
Shingles is netherworldish. Recovery is 2 to 6 weeks, if you are lucky. Pain starts with burning sensation, itching and/or numbness, or you can be lucky and get the trifecta. There is no cure from the shingles. You just try to reduce symptoms.
Please don't misunderstand. I am not denying that Unwoke has a legitimate reason to not take a vaccine (assuming these vaccines can exacerbate shingles, of which I have no knowledge). My point is that this is all the more reason for everyone else to get vaccinated, because people line Unwoke (as well as others who cannot receive vaccines for wholly legitimate reasons) will be relying on herd immunity. I am imploring people to not simply view this as a matter of personal liberties but as a matter of communal well-being. Our society, which guarantees our personal liberties, will not survive if we all decide we don't care about one another, or that every call to communal action is a scheme cooked up to scam people or trample their rights.
Well thank you for your “concern”.
And just like that, the flu disappeared last year. Isn’t that amazing?
Some day perhaps, perhaps not based on the fools in charge, we might know exactly how many perished FROM covid rather than WITH covid. Until then, Perhaps we should all use common sense, which doesn’t appear too common anymore. Like wipe down shopping carts, which many don’t do even when fully masked. Or wash ones hands after being out and about. Or avoid sick people. You know things that one used to do, or should have, prior to the fearful pandemic.
Never Based on the idiocy of our “betters”, how do we know we haven’t reached herd immunity now? We don’t test for antibodies, we only have the number of “cases” amplified and even then, not the disposition.
If the press didn’t have the pandemic to shriek about in a disingenuous way, they’d have nothing. But again, thanks for the “concern”. May we never meet someday.
Listen my friend, I'm not trying to fight with you. I'm sorry if I was a bit snitty; I'm trying to convince my little brother to get vaccinated and encountering much of the same resistance that I'm seeing on this page. It's frustrating.
But this has nothing to do with your "betters" and everything to do with the devaluing of expertise. Your comment about the flu is a perfect example. Yes, it has an intuitive appeal. Maybe many of these COVID deaths are actually flu deaths? How could the flu just disappear?
Remarkable as it is, the virtual disappearance of the flu isn't a conjecture. We *know* it has happened because we are actually testing for it in the same volumes that we did in previous years, and those tests are actually coming back negative - we were getting less than 1% of the positive results we did in previous years.
People with expertise in epidemiology know better than to just say, "Huh, flu's disappeared. Weird. Oh well ..." They absolutely are interested in distinguishing between cases of COVID and the flu. Yet a culture of cynicism has taught too many of us that people who have expertise are really either just a bunch of know-nothings or sinister Machiavellians intent on oppressing their "inferiors" - when in fact they actually do know what they're talking about and are motivated simply by wanting to do their jobs properly and (in this instance) save lives.
The fact that we can't even unite over a pandemic without it becoming a part of our culture wars is rather depressing, don't you think?
What's even more depressing is big pharma. Just over the past 20 years alone these 'experts' have been fined BILLIONS of dollars for things like falsified data, misleading claims, bogus information, sloppy and careless handling of products, etc. But your saviors have already
figured these kinds of things into their business models, so no worries on your "fast tracked" miracle. But hey, follow the yellow brick road if that's (obviously) your comfort zone. Just stop demanding that everyone else worship the wizard with you.
Yikes. I had shingles and have not heard this. Thanks for the info.
I’ve had shingles and recently recovered from Covid. I’m
going to rely on my natural immunity now for Covid, which many Dr’s believe is as or more robust than the vaccine. In my case, I’d take Covid any day over shingles. Shingles was WAY worse.
I feel your shingles pain having had a bad case almost 40 years ago after major surgery. It is great that they now have vaccine for shingles although mainly for older folks I think. Good luck to you and may you stay healthy going forward
Don’t count on the shingles vaccine eliminating your shingles. It’s nit that effective. Ask me how I know.
I am game. How.
Read my post just a little up thread.