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Steven N.'s avatar

I find it interesting that so many self proclaimed liberals, which cried out how transphobic North Carolina was about a bathroom policy, are now starting to understand what conservatives saw 6-7 years ago; How these same liberals were calling to cancel an entire state. How these same liberals backed pulling business from NC because how they are a state of hate. These same people are waking up.

I think conservatives saw Critical Queer Theory creeping in and knew it was wrong but they were unable to articulate why it was wrong. They didn’t even know there was such a thing as Critical Queer Theory.

Conservatives are waking up as well. The sad thing is Critical Theories have fully captured the Democratic Party and I don’t know how to uncapture them.

I want to be able to vote for a Democrat again. I want to have a choice.

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IB Steve's avatar

Just stop voting for them or any politician that doesn't align with your values. We go through this all the time in California. Parents that go to school board meetings and voice concerns relative to CRT still continue to vote for the same politicians that vote this silliness in. They did this with AB101....Good Luck!

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Nancy Robertson's avatar

An old friend, a liberal from North Carolina strongly supported the bathroom bill and even wrote a satirical song about it. But when his own daughter announced she was a "he," my friend saw the error of his ways and changed his tune. Sadly he's no longer alive to offer support as we fight the "trans" crazies.

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Beeswax's avatar

This is my quandary too. I am a Second Wave feminist and I agree 100% with Abigail’s inspiring and gut-wrenching remarks. I abhor the authoritarian, anti-free speech turn the Democratic party has taken. I see critical race theory and so-called anti-racism as the grifts they really are, and I’ve come to appreciate the Black conservative position of brilliant thinkers like Shelby Steele and Thomas Sowell.

But I’m still a liberal. I believe deeply in WOMEN’S reproductive rights, gun control, universal health care, labor rights, and the mitigation of global warming. I will never vote for an anti-choice candidate.

This raises the question of a third party. As always, it’s a spoiler, a long shot, a pipe dream. But maybe politics is ceasing to be the Blue Menu vs. the Red Menu, where we only get to order from one side. A meal of entirely one or the other is making me sick.

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LMG's avatar

Beeswax, I love this response! (especially the last line...hilarious and true) I too have a history of voting red, blue, and 3rd party. When I have voted 3rd party, I am chastised for "wasting" my vote. It is only a waste if others aren't brave enough to do the same. While I too am concerned with 3 of the 5 issues that you listed, I consider myself a conservative. I have often thought that that label is a misnomer. I have many liberal views, but am conservative when it comes to how much influence and reach our government has. This is the land of opportunity; historically, that is what brought so many immigrants to our shores. Now I fear that it may be the promise of "freebies". I guess only time will tell.

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james p mc grenra's avatar

Bees... i can agree with most/post, thanks. But, Women's rights could step on the rights of others and "mitigation of global warming" (since IT Has been warming for 100's/1000's of years) could cause more problems, not to say , don't clean the water/ air, but that has been happening for 40/50 years. Too drastic to limit CO2 , since it is the lifeblood of the World, could become drastic, except for those that capitalize on "Climate Warming".

Yes, the climate is warming, which can/is helpful in many ways. What is the cause...problem. thanks.

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Nancy Robertson's avatar

We must be strategic in this battle. In order to defeat the "transgender" crazies, we must have a broad coalition of people who unite in their opposition to the "gender"madness. It doesn't matter whether they're liberals or conservatives, Republicans or Democrats. The only thing that matters is that reject the "transgender nonsense" that now has a stranglehold on the entire country and has the potential to do far more damage to women and girls, boys and men than other issue we face today.

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Harry Potter's avatar

If you want to stop it you may just have to vote for a Republican. The Democrats will not fix it, they promote these intellectually vacant ideas.

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Nancy Robertson's avatar

I agree. We may just have to vote for a Republican just to break the stranglehold.

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james p mc grenra's avatar

nancy... I am not up on this topic, but i really do not see why this guy from Penn U. would Ever want to be doing what he is doing. If his reason is "To Win", my felling is so far from the "win- win" thing, but i suspect that somehow society brings people to this point of "Win at all cost" ...so stupid. Hey, just me.

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Nancy Robertson's avatar

I will never understand why a young man like Will ("Call me Lia") Thomas would turn his strikingly handsome, masculine face and body into the most unconvincing parody of an biological woman. Why would any young man trash his enviable good looks and health and commit himself to an uncertain, medicalized future just to be able to break a few swimming records, records that everyone, except for the most brainwashed, knows were won only because he claimed to be something he is not and never will be. A biological woman.

Perhaps he has a condition that makes him more vulnerable. People with autism are especially easy to convince that they're "trapped in the body" of the opposite sex. Maybe he's gay. Though I've seen the photo of him dressed in women's clothes with his arms around a young woman that leads me to believe he's straight.

Or perhaps he's an autogynehile who gets off sexually on the idea of becoming a woman by wearing women's clothes. A few men do. When I was a child, Norman, my long-dead shoe salesman cousin showed me a photo of a man's foot wearing a pink satin high heel. Norman claimed the show model was some other salesmen. For many years I believed him, but I now know it was Norman, himself.

Or maybe he's just brainwashed by the woke propaganda that permeates the University of Pennsylvania. Perhaps he thinks coming out as a woman is the key to righteousness and popularity. I don't know. I can only guess. I can't read his mind.

If this Thomas incident were a one-of event, we could safely ignore it. But it's not. Not a week now passes when some "trans" guy who claims to be a "woman" doesn't make the main stream press. Last week it was Thomas. This week it's this "Amy" Schneider, the guy who's now on a winning streak on Jeopardy. I suspect he's autistic, though he only claims to have ADHD. Despite the June Cleaver pearls he's about as unconvincing as America's newest four star general, Richard (call me "Rachel") Levine.

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News Nut's avatar

We couldn't ignore Thomas even if he was a "one of" because he has stolen the women swimmer's achievements and records from them.

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Nancy Robertson's avatar

Yes. You're absolutely right. We could not ignore Thomas even if he was a "one of." But the situation is especially critical because these incidents are now occurring more and more frequently. And the demands are growing more and more outrageous.

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Beeswax's avatar

Agreed.

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JD Free's avatar

"I abhor the authoritarian, anti-free speech turn the Democratic party has taken"

There was no "turn". It was always this way. You just liked what it promoted before.

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Beeswax's avatar

Nope. Wrong. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

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Gary Kolb's avatar

I’m a longtime conservative who, after the last election, opted out of all national news sources. And the best thing about that is not being on a “team” anymore. The world that the news depicted didn’t correspond to the world I lived in, a world where people were almost uniformly nice, a world in which people generally wanted to help each other out. It’s been a real blessing to see each other as individuals and not as avatars, to genuinely listen to individuals concerns.

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News Nut's avatar

Easy for you to say that—You are a man!

Men who claim to identify as women (no meds or surgery required) are demanding legal equality with biological women by way of the Equality Act, legislation that has already passed the DEM House, meaning they will have equal access to women's sports, prisons, shelters and rights!

Men's feelings should not take legally protected priority over women's feelings but that is exactly what will happen if the Equality Act is passed!

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Nancy Robertson's avatar

The Equality Act is an abomination. If it is ever passed by the Senate, the health, safety, rights and privileges of women and girls trampled over by the radical "transgender" mob.

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james p mc grenra's avatar

Gary... i can see what you are saying...yep. let me toss in my feeling that what you say still has meaning in the smaller towns. No perfection, but lots better, small towns.

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Steven N.'s avatar

But most of what you believe in have nothing to do with being “liberal”. Progressive (universal health care, pro-abortion, anti-gun) standpoints but not “liberal” in the classical sense.

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Beeswax's avatar

We have a difference of opinion regarding defined terms. I’m not here to debate, but to present my views. Disagree as you please.

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JD Free's avatar

Statements like this are confessions of wrongness.

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News Nut's avatar

STAY ON TOPIC, PLEASE!

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Beeswax's avatar

See above.

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Alejandra's avatar

I hear you. Lately I identify with the likes of Bill Maher.

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Alejandra's avatar

I think it is speaks well of a person’s character when they are able to change their mind, right?

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Steven N.'s avatar

I agree. Mine changed in 2012.

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Alejandra's avatar

I really do believe a vast majority or registered Democrats, or those US citizens who identify as “liberals,” are not true believes of the woke ideology. Anyone familiar with the hidden tribes study? The perennial silent majority exists. I do think there is a generational divide though (while I don’t, however, blame young people for having been indoctrinated into this newer social justice scholarship while in college).

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News Nut's avatar

Doesn't matter. Voting DEM now means voting for trans extremism. I feel extremely betrayed. The DEM party has been bought and by the trans lobby. You don't have to dig very deep to discover that the DNC has become a men's rights organization.

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JD Free's avatar

And yet I bet you've long subscribed to the notion that Democrats' ludicrous straw manning of Republicans was valid.

If the majority of Democrats did not support wokeness, wokeness would not have an approval rating well over 50% among registered Democrats.

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Steven N.'s avatar

I have always considered my self a classical liberal and this had me voting Democrat for national elections and Republican for local stuff.

Of late, I don’t see any values I align with with the Democratic Party. The are several tenants I disagree with on the Republican but they seem to be more directionally “true”.

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Alejandra's avatar

*believers

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Everything?

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