Completely disagree. The disease spreads by people catching it. If you give it a chance to spread you are part of the problem.
The vaccines cut down the spread and the deaths.
It doesn't care what you believe. If you aren't vaccinated you are more likely, when exposed, to get it,to share it, to keep this nightmare going. And to get i…
Completely disagree. The disease spreads by people catching it. If you give it a chance to spread you are part of the problem.
The vaccines cut down the spread and the deaths.
It doesn't care what you believe. If you aren't vaccinated you are more likely, when exposed, to get it,to share it, to keep this nightmare going. And to get ill yourself.
That's what vaccines do, for goodness' sake.
You are putting all of society at risk by not getting the vaccine.
I cannot believe people are still arguing about this.
That’s what vaccines do, these are gene therapies which did not meet the former definition of “vaccine” until the CDC redefined the term last year. Also, it’s far from clear that these treatments reduce spread—there is ample evidence to question that assertion. Here’s one reference: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
The vaccines don't stop the spread. They reduce the symptoms of those who catch the disease. If you're vaccinated, you can still spread the virus, which is why even in "vaccine passport" regions, everyone's all masked up and super-careful. People with natural immunity, i.e. have fought off the virus already, are the ones who don't spread the virus.
This is all wrong information. Your chances of getting it are decreased significantly with the vax. People with natural immunity can still get it and spread it at any point once their immunity goes down and they are still susceptible to variants at some point that has not been clearly determined yet.
They don't behave the way vaccines behave, they don't do what vaccines do. That's why they leak, that's why you need boosters and boosters so soon after being jabbed, that's why the jabbed can and DO catch and spread the Chinese virus.
That's all precisely WHY the dishonest, corrupt CDC had to change the definition of "vaccine". How do you now know this by now? It happened in September.
They are NOT vaccines. They are experimental drugs, with literally ZERO long-term data about their safety. And you're the guinea pigs. I shall remain in the control group.
I know it’s anecdotal but we now have two people in our family who got the disease and spread it to an unvaccinated family member within two weeks of getting vaccinated.
My husband got the jab and less than two weeks later he had full-blown Covid and I (unvaccinated) got it from him. This was after over a year of both of us engaging in heavy travel…to 29 different states for work…without any illness at all the entire time. Then two weeks post vaccine, working from home and not going anywhere…suddenly we have it.
And just recently my sister broke down and got the vaccine so she can keep her job in health care…got Covid less than a week later. After lasting a year and a half in a busy geriatric ward that frequently saw Covid cases without so much as a sniffle…without any illness at all for her, her husband, and her kids. Then she gets it during her 2-week vacation/Thanksgiving and passes it on to my (unvaccinated) niece a few days later? How? Her husband has been working from home since the pandemic started…she was off work, kids are schooling at home…
Seriously, do you REALLY think an every-ten-year tetanus booster is comparable to an every-six-month covid booster?
As for measles boosters...um, no. Born before 1957? Protected. Born after 1956? Maybe an additional shot is advisable. Depends on a lot of things. But NO ONE needs measles boosters ever six months.
Talk about ridiculous. Talk about crackpot. Talk about shot credibility (no pun intended).
No I actually don’t get a tetanus booster every six months. Do you?? Do you get a measles booster every six months, too??
Do you know what the difference is? The tetanus and measles vaccines are actual vaccines. The WuFlu vaxxes are experimental drugs. It’s why the corrupt, dishonest CDC had to change the definition of the word.
You wanna know what bullshit is, that is bullshit. And you swallowed it willingly.
i get a tetanus booster if and when it is needed , stepping on a rusty nail getting a large cut on whatever , but only if it has been 5 years or more since the last shot. Measles booster ? really never had one
“Can’t believe this story was given a platform here.” Why? The whole point of Substack is debate. The comments sections of Substack, including Bari's are among the most coherent, well written, and substantive of any comments sections I’ve ever read.
I have the booster, but I’ve learned from these comments a little more about the thinking of vax resisters, and I can sympathize. That is the whole point about giving a platform to a diversity of opinions, no?
Vaxx does not prevent the spread. If you're vaxxed you can still get Covid and still spread it. The Vaxx makes it a bit less likely to get it and if you do, you'll likely get a more mild case. Even so, vaxxed people still get Covid and die from it.
This vaxx is not like other vaccines - like the small pox vaccine - where once you get the shot you're innoculated - meaning you cannot get the disease. In fact, they changed the definition of vaccine so that they could call this a vaccine. (Did you know that ? Search it and you'll see.)
By the way, I'm not anti-vaxx. But I do believe people should be informed. And I am skeptical of government mandates (as everyone should be).
Yes the vaccines were politicized from day one. Prominent Democrat politicians downplayed Operation Warp Speed and vowed not to get the jab while Trump was president; those same fools are now calling for unvaxxed people to be rounded up and placed in concentration camps.
The vaccine decreases the chances that you will get it and significantly decreases the chance that you will die from it or be hospitalized. Those are the simple, most accepted and proven facts in the field. Further, it is way more tested and proven to be safe than any other form of treatment for COVID that people are leaning on if they don't get vaccinated which makes no sense (picking and choosing which science to trust). Having said that I don't like mandates--I just think you are a science denier (for the most part) if you are not getting vaccinated at this point.
I am vaccinated. But I don'y think you have to be a science denier if you do not get vaccinated. I think the roughly 30 million who previously had a Covid infection have a good case for not getting vaccinated. In fact, those who deny their case - seem more like the science deniers.
I think there's a point about natural immunity from previous infection. However, many people may think they've had it and haven't.
To me the biggest issue here is about health care workers. I don't think its right to work with vulnerable people and refuse to take measures that will reduce the chance that you will infect them.
It's kind of like health care workers refusing to wear gloves or surgeons refusing to wear masks and disinfect prior to surgery. None of those things insures completely against infection, it reduces the risk.
Millions of people have lab-confirmed cases of COVID, you can bet virtually all health care workers who had COVID had their infections confirmed via lab tests. Why would people falsely "thinking" they had COVID even be an issue here?
Agree that a COVID infection is a case for not getting vaccinated, but for how long? When do you get your booster? Vaccination and COVID offer the most immunity. You have to follow the research or trust your doctors that are following the research.
Well, we've already established that it's longer and more durable than the protection offered by the vaccines, which required a booster less half a year in. (Which, btw, I rec'd two months ago). Try not to be so certain of things you're told by self-interested people.
The doctors that I live with, are in my family and who are my friends that I discuss this with have no interest other than protecting their family, friends and patients. They follow the science, I consult with them and follow the science. Again, it is that simple. Who is "we" that have established this...as far as I have seen the verdict is still out--and even still, won't hurt to get a vaccine or booster.
I agree that there is still processing of the data and that recommendations are changing as new data is processed. But, by and large the data is suggesting the vaccine is very safe and effective. And yes--research 101: correlation does not always mean causation.
No one in my very large family had gotten Covid despite many of us working in high risk fields (health care, dentistry, film production, teaching, hospitality, etc.)
As soon as people caved and started getting vaccinated, we had 6 people overall who got Covid. The only two families that still haven’t seen ANY cases are the two families where no one is vaccinated.
I know correlation doesn’t equal causation…but it is incredibly strange.
The vaccines have, maybe, slowed the infection rate. They have, maybe, reduced symptoms. No one can say for sure as to either with precision. Which leads one to ask, has this process, these mandates, lock-downs, shuttering of businesses, isolating children, mental health, and chemical dependency risks been worth it?
I'm in the "nope" camp. We should have isolated that high risk very small minority and rode the storm through to herd immunity.
Completely disagree. The disease spreads by people catching it. If you give it a chance to spread you are part of the problem.
The vaccines cut down the spread and the deaths.
It doesn't care what you believe. If you aren't vaccinated you are more likely, when exposed, to get it,to share it, to keep this nightmare going. And to get ill yourself.
That's what vaccines do, for goodness' sake.
You are putting all of society at risk by not getting the vaccine.
I cannot believe people are still arguing about this.
That’s what vaccines do, these are gene therapies which did not meet the former definition of “vaccine” until the CDC redefined the term last year. Also, it’s far from clear that these treatments reduce spread—there is ample evidence to question that assertion. Here’s one reference: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
Not at all how or what vaccines do. This is obviously NOT a vaccine. It seems to mitigate your response to the virus but this goes away rapidly
The vaccines don't stop the spread. They reduce the symptoms of those who catch the disease. If you're vaccinated, you can still spread the virus, which is why even in "vaccine passport" regions, everyone's all masked up and super-careful. People with natural immunity, i.e. have fought off the virus already, are the ones who don't spread the virus.
This is all wrong information. Your chances of getting it are decreased significantly with the vax. People with natural immunity can still get it and spread it at any point once their immunity goes down and they are still susceptible to variants at some point that has not been clearly determined yet.
"...that has not been clearly determined yet"
It's funny, you question natural immunity's prophylactic effect by saying it "has not been clearly determined yet"...
...while arguing in the SAME breath FOR so-called vaccines whose efficacy AND safety(!!) themselves have not been clearly determined yet.
Please explain.
The CDC has literally admitted that there's no evidence people with natural immunity can spread it.
For the umpteenth time, they're NOT vaccines.
They don't behave the way vaccines behave, they don't do what vaccines do. That's why they leak, that's why you need boosters and boosters so soon after being jabbed, that's why the jabbed can and DO catch and spread the Chinese virus.
That's all precisely WHY the dishonest, corrupt CDC had to change the definition of "vaccine". How do you now know this by now? It happened in September.
They are NOT vaccines. They are experimental drugs, with literally ZERO long-term data about their safety. And you're the guinea pigs. I shall remain in the control group.
#RememberThalidomide
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I know it’s anecdotal but we now have two people in our family who got the disease and spread it to an unvaccinated family member within two weeks of getting vaccinated.
My husband got the jab and less than two weeks later he had full-blown Covid and I (unvaccinated) got it from him. This was after over a year of both of us engaging in heavy travel…to 29 different states for work…without any illness at all the entire time. Then two weeks post vaccine, working from home and not going anywhere…suddenly we have it.
And just recently my sister broke down and got the vaccine so she can keep her job in health care…got Covid less than a week later. After lasting a year and a half in a busy geriatric ward that frequently saw Covid cases without so much as a sniffle…without any illness at all for her, her husband, and her kids. Then she gets it during her 2-week vacation/Thanksgiving and passes it on to my (unvaccinated) niece a few days later? How? Her husband has been working from home since the pandemic started…she was off work, kids are schooling at home…
Really strange.
Sorry, this is crackpot. I'm done with this. Do you get a tetanus booster? Do you believe that measles vaccines work even though people need boosters?
Have you looked at the illness rates of the vaccinated and unvaccinated?
This is ridiculous and I can't believe this story was given a platform here. Very disappointing.
I'm done.
good , bye now
Seriously, do you REALLY think an every-ten-year tetanus booster is comparable to an every-six-month covid booster?
As for measles boosters...um, no. Born before 1957? Protected. Born after 1956? Maybe an additional shot is advisable. Depends on a lot of things. But NO ONE needs measles boosters ever six months.
Talk about ridiculous. Talk about crackpot. Talk about shot credibility (no pun intended).
No I actually don’t get a tetanus booster every six months. Do you?? Do you get a measles booster every six months, too??
Do you know what the difference is? The tetanus and measles vaccines are actual vaccines. The WuFlu vaxxes are experimental drugs. It’s why the corrupt, dishonest CDC had to change the definition of the word.
You wanna know what bullshit is, that is bullshit. And you swallowed it willingly.
i get a tetanus booster if and when it is needed , stepping on a rusty nail getting a large cut on whatever , but only if it has been 5 years or more since the last shot. Measles booster ? really never had one
“Can’t believe this story was given a platform here.” Why? The whole point of Substack is debate. The comments sections of Substack, including Bari's are among the most coherent, well written, and substantive of any comments sections I’ve ever read.
I have the booster, but I’ve learned from these comments a little more about the thinking of vax resisters, and I can sympathize. That is the whole point about giving a platform to a diversity of opinions, no?
Editing this typo: *How do you not know this...*
TRUTH
Vaxx does not prevent the spread. If you're vaxxed you can still get Covid and still spread it. The Vaxx makes it a bit less likely to get it and if you do, you'll likely get a more mild case. Even so, vaxxed people still get Covid and die from it.
This vaxx is not like other vaccines - like the small pox vaccine - where once you get the shot you're innoculated - meaning you cannot get the disease. In fact, they changed the definition of vaccine so that they could call this a vaccine. (Did you know that ? Search it and you'll see.)
By the way, I'm not anti-vaxx. But I do believe people should be informed. And I am skeptical of government mandates (as everyone should be).
GET ALL THE FACTS
Yes the vaccines were politicized from day one. Prominent Democrat politicians downplayed Operation Warp Speed and vowed not to get the jab while Trump was president; those same fools are now calling for unvaxxed people to be rounded up and placed in concentration camps.
The vaccine decreases the chances that you will get it and significantly decreases the chance that you will die from it or be hospitalized. Those are the simple, most accepted and proven facts in the field. Further, it is way more tested and proven to be safe than any other form of treatment for COVID that people are leaning on if they don't get vaccinated which makes no sense (picking and choosing which science to trust). Having said that I don't like mandates--I just think you are a science denier (for the most part) if you are not getting vaccinated at this point.
The vaccines are not treatment. They are prophylactics. Taking the vaccine hoping it will treat covid infection won't work.
Treatments are coming online like biologics, new antivirals, etc. They treat the virus... vaccines do not.
I am vaccinated. But I don'y think you have to be a science denier if you do not get vaccinated. I think the roughly 30 million who previously had a Covid infection have a good case for not getting vaccinated. In fact, those who deny their case - seem more like the science deniers.
I think there's a point about natural immunity from previous infection. However, many people may think they've had it and haven't.
To me the biggest issue here is about health care workers. I don't think its right to work with vulnerable people and refuse to take measures that will reduce the chance that you will infect them.
It's kind of like health care workers refusing to wear gloves or surgeons refusing to wear masks and disinfect prior to surgery. None of those things insures completely against infection, it reduces the risk.
Millions of people have lab-confirmed cases of COVID, you can bet virtually all health care workers who had COVID had their infections confirmed via lab tests. Why would people falsely "thinking" they had COVID even be an issue here?
Fortunately there are cheap and even free antibody tests readily available that can let you know if you have natural immunity or not…
Agree that a COVID infection is a case for not getting vaccinated, but for how long? When do you get your booster? Vaccination and COVID offer the most immunity. You have to follow the research or trust your doctors that are following the research.
Well, we've already established that it's longer and more durable than the protection offered by the vaccines, which required a booster less half a year in. (Which, btw, I rec'd two months ago). Try not to be so certain of things you're told by self-interested people.
The doctors that I live with, are in my family and who are my friends that I discuss this with have no interest other than protecting their family, friends and patients. They follow the science, I consult with them and follow the science. Again, it is that simple. Who is "we" that have established this...as far as I have seen the verdict is still out--and even still, won't hurt to get a vaccine or booster.
I agree that there is still processing of the data and that recommendations are changing as new data is processed. But, by and large the data is suggesting the vaccine is very safe and effective. And yes--research 101: correlation does not always mean causation.
“Science” really isn’t science anymore when dissent, discussion and questions from many physicians and researchers are silenced.
Exact same thing happened in my family.
No one in my very large family had gotten Covid despite many of us working in high risk fields (health care, dentistry, film production, teaching, hospitality, etc.)
As soon as people caved and started getting vaccinated, we had 6 people overall who got Covid. The only two families that still haven’t seen ANY cases are the two families where no one is vaccinated.
I know correlation doesn’t equal causation…but it is incredibly strange.
I know of many vaccinated people who caught COVID. Many.
Who doesn’t? In my family, two tripled vaccinated recently had Covid.
Thank goodness it has only been a 15 day pause.
The vaccines have, maybe, slowed the infection rate. They have, maybe, reduced symptoms. No one can say for sure as to either with precision. Which leads one to ask, has this process, these mandates, lock-downs, shuttering of businesses, isolating children, mental health, and chemical dependency risks been worth it?
I'm in the "nope" camp. We should have isolated that high risk very small minority and rode the storm through to herd immunity.