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Willie Akin's avatar

It is good to hear a discussion of the situation(s) in and around Israel and the Middle East. It is also interesting to hear the unmistakable undertones from the two participants in the discussion. Why? Because the terrible orange man is unmistakably the better choice for the survival of Israel and these two have a seething hatred for him. Bibi Netanyahu is the Little Satan in the discussion, but he is conducting the strategy that keeps the Democrats from making good on their final transition to a full-throated support of terrorists hoping to realize "from the river to the sea". Why can't they just speak "their" truth? Maybe they aren't (yet) quite willing to see Israel burned to the ground to satisfy their desire to see Bibi and The Donald perish in those flames. I hope that my opinion on this is wrong, but that is exactly what my gut instinct is telling me. It's funny that I don't feel that visceral hatred of my own political enemies, even though they Actually want to destroy all I hold dear.

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Julia Levin's avatar

Who are those who might see Israel burnt to the ground as long as Trump and Netanyahu go up in flames also?

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Dmiller's avatar

I that was my exact take. Say Trump's name. Abraham Accords-Trump. Say it. Ridiculous. Why are they so blind?

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Craig Hill's avatar

It's difficult to make the transition from a illiberal, gay, east coast jewish female with an Ivy League indoctrination, to a traditional liberal constitutionist. And it doesn't help when your soul mate keeps pratteling on about the heartbreaking loss suffered by the Hillary Hag, etc. Bari is the reason I subscribed to TFP. I give her chops for making the effort but she and Suzy need to do more.

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Julia Levin's avatar

Sorry, who is illiberal East Coast gay…?

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Craig Hill's avatar

Apparently, you're not paying attention. Obviously, I'm referring to Bari (and Suzy)

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Julia Levin's avatar

I am paying attention, which is why I asked about your statement re: illiberal. All other attributes fit except that one. Thanks.

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Willie Akin's avatar

Yes, I like Bari and certainly feel she is doing important work; I just hate TDS.

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JJ's avatar

It is frustrating. Maybe there is another word for TDS: pride.

What I do appreciate about this interview is the candor with which he critiqued the US in their foreign policy and how the singular and insular focus on culture war issues dominates the rhetoric. The geopolitical threats we face really ought to be a more central focus in this election. I also like how kept reiterating that Iran is the real problem and the democrats have totally failed to acknowledge or respond to that fact. I also appreciated his insistence that we need to step outside of our ethnocentric selves in order to understand the players in order to respond intelligently. People look really stupid when they mistakenly apply an American white privilege oppressor vs. oppressed people of color lens to the current situation with Israel—a lens which isn’t even accurate in the US context! Bari is spot on in her critique of the party’s response to Bibi’s speech. I also found her analysis of the ideologues in Big Media being products of the education system interesting.

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