Even moderate Palestinians don't think Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state:
Daniel Gordis, who's penned articles for TFP, was interviewing an Arab student at the college he works at, back in 2021 during the last flare up. He didn't ask her if she thought Israel had the right to exist as a Jewish state, when I asked him why, he responded (paraphrased) "there's no sense in asking to which I already know the answer," and this was clearly a moderate Pali woman, living in Judea.
Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Sudan, Morocco all have peace with Israel, so clearly it can be done with willing participants. What percentage of Gazan Palis think Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state? 0.001? I'd be amazed if it's more than 1/1000. "From the River, to the sea" = they want Jews dead and gone from Israel, bar none.
I am a fluent Arabic speaker and have spent significant time in the Arab world.
I have literally never, in the thousands of conversations I’ve had with Arabs, met a single one who’s expressed anything other than the belief that Israel should not exist. That is not an exaggeration.
Doesn’t mean they don’t exist (perhaps unsurprisingly, it seems the Gulf Arabs are the least inclined to this belief), but I have never met one.
We, rightly, totally annihilated Germany, and if you really get into it probably only 40% of them were even antisemites.
100% of the people in ‘Palestine’ are genocidal antisemites and it appears the strategy is to wait until the briefcase explodes and then put up posters that say
“Okay this time we really mean it; never again.”
The most moderate person in ‘Palestine’ thinks Jews are the offspring of monkeys and pigs. But hey, let’s try to compromise because there are videos of women crying. Idiots.
The Israeli error is compassion. The western error is taking advantage of it. But perhaps mow that every western supporter of genocide is in the open, that will change.
If they did feel that Israel had a right to exist they would demand Hamas return the hostages to de-escalate the situation and save Palestinian lives.
Does anyone know if that is happening? Considering Israel will trade 1,000 prisoners for one Israeli soldier I don’t understand how to arrive at any other conclusion than what you stated above...
One side refuses to try and live in peace, even though their leaders were offered almost everything they wanted. The world has poured literally billions into the place and it’s a waste dump filled with blame for others and not themselves. Women only good for serving uneducated men and life filled with no hope or opportunity. No Middle East country welcomes the people.
The other side just wants to live and continue to prosper and make their country fit to live in. Contributing to the world in technology and other areas. Women are integrated into everything and have opportunities for a life they want. Productive and prosperous people, policies, and education with successful results.
As long as the Quran has passages calling for murder and harm to Jews, there will always be a problem. Some French people have called for a change to the Quran, but the Muslims screamed in outrage ... so let's quit pretending that if we pretend the Muslims aren't attacking it may not be so. They're attacking and the "moderate Muslims" are saying nothing nor are they calling on the 'extremists' to quit.
I have been telling apologists for Islam exactly what you are saying and get push back from those who say I am painting these fanatics with a broad brush.
If as the loony left says most Muslims are moderates, then why doesn't this "vast majority" of moderates stop this "tiny minority" from acts of terrorism? That is what a civilized nation would do.
These apologists have never read a history of Islam. Islam is the religion of death not peace as the ignorant say it is.
It’s estimated 40% of the world’s Muslins are illiterate. That means they only know what an Iman preaches. They choose preaching hatred for the worst uneducated areas to breed killers.
No one is listening. The deafening crash of Hamas’ atrocity also crushes sentimental memory.
Over 1,000 Jews and guest workers were slaughtered by Hamas. No country can accept this behavior. Nobody cares about antecedent crimes or owners or religious claims. The celebrating Arab crowds certainly don’t. The mourning Jews remember the last time they were victims of a holocaust.
Mass murder on this scale cries out for resolution regardless of cost.
The frozen Israel-Arab conflict will now be resolved in Gaza. Whether it will be mass migration, as in Nogorno-Karrabakh, or a western protectorate of a de-Nazified population, as in post-war Berlin, or a nuclear conflagration occasioned by Iran remains yet to be seen.
Ugh. The Palestinian lives in my state and he hates Israel just as much as the fanatics. It's not Israel's fault that Gaza is a shithole. Maybe Hamas can use their money for the Gazans instead of raping and beheading Israelis. They're a destructive religion and we won't realize that until it's too late.
Yeah....don't think you'll get burned alive by the Palestinian in your state. Maybe the Hamas guy? So, my advice to you, Jen Jen, is to stay out of Hamas neighborhoods in America.
First of all, no one was spit on - people spit at the ground after they walked by. Second and most importantly, there was widespread condemnation for this act from political and religious leaders, including Netanyahu and orthodox Jewish leaders. There will always be wacko fringe groups in every democracy. The question is whether they are embraced and encouraged or condemned.
The perspective of the Palestinian is outdated since Israel has been out since 2005 and this guy left in 1988. How about a more current perspective from a one who has been living under Hamas leadership for a decade?
Amjad, you left before Israel left Gaza. Israel has been out of Gaza for 16 years. The Jewish people don’t hate Palestinians. They hate Hamas. Amjad, I hope you discussed with your son that Gaza is free from Israel but under the spell of a terrorist organization called Hamas. I’m so sorry your relatives have been killed and I hope other innocent Palestinians can escape to Southern Gaza which is safe. But Hamas doesn’t care about its citizens as you can see from the roadblocks set up so no one can leave. Hamas uses the innocents as human shields. Cowards the lot.
So the Jewish young man writes a sensitive article about what life was like for the sokdier, and concerned for the children on the other side of the fence.. And the Palestinian, living in the US, doesn't have a word about what was done to start this war, the carnage his beloved Gazans did to the Jews on the other side of the fence. In a nutshell.
To help me understand what the "other side" is thinking, feeling, etc where it comes from and why. I do not want to only read about one side of things. The very reason I subscribed to this newsletter and other independent media is to hear many different voices even if I do not agree.
The contrast between the IDF solider who desires above all peace while expressing true empathy for his sworn enemy and the Arab who only knows hatred for Jews, accepts zero accountability for both the atrocities his people have committed against Israel as well as zero empathy for the innocent, and only drowns in narcissistic self-pity could not be more distinct and profound.
Is it any wonder why the Western Left is so enamored of one side while openly despising the other?
All the hear is their side. College campus, city protests, social media..... all you hear is their side. It's about time we heard the Israeli plight in main stream media.
We are in very dangerous seas, very dark times, and Kristina seems to think the FP will give her the insight into the other side - what rock is the poor dear living under? Clearly she hasn’t seen any of Hamas brutality.
I have always believed reason is the solution to earthly problems. So I have always wanted to understand the why of things. But as I have matured I have come to realize that there are things that things that do not fit within my framework of things.
If I were forced to sum up after my previous observations, I would simply say that the Palestinians have been plagued by “leaders” so committed to the destruction of Israel that they are willing, and have been willing, to destroy the Palestinians as well.
My comments are related to both of these compelling stories. My comments are also discountable coming from someone who has lived 70+ years in America. But over at least 40 I have read the arguments on both “sides” of this interminable conflict, often with hope and encouraged by efforts at resolution, particularly those of President Carter. Over these 40+ years I am left with an observation that many may, more credible than I, of a lack of the emergence of anyone truly dedicated to building a prosperous and positive Palestinian state or community despite of several opportunities to do so. For whatever the reason, I have the impression of deliberate efforts to the contrary, lest it result in the ultimate recognition of Israel as a lasting reality. It has seemed to me over these years that all the efforts of those who “support” the Palestinian cause has been to prevent a coexisting prosperous Palestinian entity of whatever description.
I’d like to understand what it means to say (paraphrasing) ‘I don’t have an issue with Jewish people, it’s the State of Israel I have a problem with’. I don’t understand what the difference is.
Placing these two accounts, one after the other, with their well expressed and limited points of view, that’s really good journalism. Thanks. Don’t get this quality of writing and seeing in many places these days. That’s why I’m a member.
Even moderate Palestinians don't think Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state:
Daniel Gordis, who's penned articles for TFP, was interviewing an Arab student at the college he works at, back in 2021 during the last flare up. He didn't ask her if she thought Israel had the right to exist as a Jewish state, when I asked him why, he responded (paraphrased) "there's no sense in asking to which I already know the answer," and this was clearly a moderate Pali woman, living in Judea.
Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Sudan, Morocco all have peace with Israel, so clearly it can be done with willing participants. What percentage of Gazan Palis think Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state? 0.001? I'd be amazed if it's more than 1/1000. "From the River, to the sea" = they want Jews dead and gone from Israel, bar none.
I am a fluent Arabic speaker and have spent significant time in the Arab world.
I have literally never, in the thousands of conversations I’ve had with Arabs, met a single one who’s expressed anything other than the belief that Israel should not exist. That is not an exaggeration.
Doesn’t mean they don’t exist (perhaps unsurprisingly, it seems the Gulf Arabs are the least inclined to this belief), but I have never met one.
We, rightly, totally annihilated Germany, and if you really get into it probably only 40% of them were even antisemites.
100% of the people in ‘Palestine’ are genocidal antisemites and it appears the strategy is to wait until the briefcase explodes and then put up posters that say
“Okay this time we really mean it; never again.”
The most moderate person in ‘Palestine’ thinks Jews are the offspring of monkeys and pigs. But hey, let’s try to compromise because there are videos of women crying. Idiots.
Thank you for sharing the truth.
The Israeli error is compassion. The western error is taking advantage of it. But perhaps mow that every western supporter of genocide is in the open, that will change.
If they did feel that Israel had a right to exist they would demand Hamas return the hostages to de-escalate the situation and save Palestinian lives.
Does anyone know if that is happening? Considering Israel will trade 1,000 prisoners for one Israeli soldier I don’t understand how to arrive at any other conclusion than what you stated above...
One side refuses to try and live in peace, even though their leaders were offered almost everything they wanted. The world has poured literally billions into the place and it’s a waste dump filled with blame for others and not themselves. Women only good for serving uneducated men and life filled with no hope or opportunity. No Middle East country welcomes the people.
The other side just wants to live and continue to prosper and make their country fit to live in. Contributing to the world in technology and other areas. Women are integrated into everything and have opportunities for a life they want. Productive and prosperous people, policies, and education with successful results.
There are your two sides!
You cannot impose peace on a people whose only desire is for war.
Harsh. But true I think.
As long as the Quran has passages calling for murder and harm to Jews, there will always be a problem. Some French people have called for a change to the Quran, but the Muslims screamed in outrage ... so let's quit pretending that if we pretend the Muslims aren't attacking it may not be so. They're attacking and the "moderate Muslims" are saying nothing nor are they calling on the 'extremists' to quit.
I have been telling apologists for Islam exactly what you are saying and get push back from those who say I am painting these fanatics with a broad brush.
If as the loony left says most Muslims are moderates, then why doesn't this "vast majority" of moderates stop this "tiny minority" from acts of terrorism? That is what a civilized nation would do.
These apologists have never read a history of Islam. Islam is the religion of death not peace as the ignorant say it is.
They are all extremists. The more accurate term is activists. Mohammed was objectively evil.
It’s estimated 40% of the world’s Muslins are illiterate. That means they only know what an Iman preaches. They choose preaching hatred for the worst uneducated areas to breed killers.
No one is listening. The deafening crash of Hamas’ atrocity also crushes sentimental memory.
Over 1,000 Jews and guest workers were slaughtered by Hamas. No country can accept this behavior. Nobody cares about antecedent crimes or owners or religious claims. The celebrating Arab crowds certainly don’t. The mourning Jews remember the last time they were victims of a holocaust.
Mass murder on this scale cries out for resolution regardless of cost.
The frozen Israel-Arab conflict will now be resolved in Gaza. Whether it will be mass migration, as in Nogorno-Karrabakh, or a western protectorate of a de-Nazified population, as in post-war Berlin, or a nuclear conflagration occasioned by Iran remains yet to be seen.
There will be no resolution
WW3 has already started
Years ago on college campuses
Called the BDS movement
The only question is will the youth of today die after Muslims control the U S
Ugh. The Palestinian lives in my state and he hates Israel just as much as the fanatics. It's not Israel's fault that Gaza is a shithole. Maybe Hamas can use their money for the Gazans instead of raping and beheading Israelis. They're a destructive religion and we won't realize that until it's too late.
"The Palestinian"
So, there's just one?
"It's not Israel's fault..."
It never is, Jen Jen
Not afraid of getting killed in orthodox neighborhoods. just saying.
You should be. just sayin.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/condemnation-as-new-video-shows-haredi-men-boys-spitting-at-christians-in-jerusalem/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Clq1WSS_U8
First, i don't live in Jerusalem. Second, I'd rather get spit on than being burned alive. Just saying.
Yeah....don't think you'll get burned alive by the Palestinian in your state. Maybe the Hamas guy? So, my advice to you, Jen Jen, is to stay out of Hamas neighborhoods in America.
I will always stay out of Palestinian aka Jordanian neighborhoods.
First of all, no one was spit on - people spit at the ground after they walked by. Second and most importantly, there was widespread condemnation for this act from political and religious leaders, including Netanyahu and orthodox Jewish leaders. There will always be wacko fringe groups in every democracy. The question is whether they are embraced and encouraged or condemned.
The perspective of the Palestinian is outdated since Israel has been out since 2005 and this guy left in 1988. How about a more current perspective from a one who has been living under Hamas leadership for a decade?
Amjad, you left before Israel left Gaza. Israel has been out of Gaza for 16 years. The Jewish people don’t hate Palestinians. They hate Hamas. Amjad, I hope you discussed with your son that Gaza is free from Israel but under the spell of a terrorist organization called Hamas. I’m so sorry your relatives have been killed and I hope other innocent Palestinians can escape to Southern Gaza which is safe. But Hamas doesn’t care about its citizens as you can see from the roadblocks set up so no one can leave. Hamas uses the innocents as human shields. Cowards the lot.
Well said, Vicki! You are correct!
Perfectly stated. Facts and truth matter.
So the Jewish young man writes a sensitive article about what life was like for the sokdier, and concerned for the children on the other side of the fence.. And the Palestinian, living in the US, doesn't have a word about what was done to start this war, the carnage his beloved Gazans did to the Jews on the other side of the fence. In a nutshell.
Thanks Free Press for giving voice to a Palestinian. I was honestly not expecting that but happy to see it.
Did you listen? Do you understand that when someone says that they want you dead that you should believe them?
The equivalency is disgusting.
I disagree. As disgusted I am with Islam, I want to hear both sides and that is what FP has been doing for over a year.
Why were you happy to hear it? The man is no different than Hamas. He hates Israel. By the way, the women are worse than the men.
To help me understand what the "other side" is thinking, feeling, etc where it comes from and why. I do not want to only read about one side of things. The very reason I subscribed to this newsletter and other independent media is to hear many different voices even if I do not agree.
The contrast between the IDF solider who desires above all peace while expressing true empathy for his sworn enemy and the Arab who only knows hatred for Jews, accepts zero accountability for both the atrocities his people have committed against Israel as well as zero empathy for the innocent, and only drowns in narcissistic self-pity could not be more distinct and profound.
Is it any wonder why the Western Left is so enamored of one side while openly despising the other?
LOL!!! https://reliefweb.int/report/israel/israeli-supreme-court-temporary-prevents-use-human-shields
And when did the Gaza Supreme Court issue a similar ruling?
There is no Gaza Supreme Court. They're occupied/colonized.
All the hear is their side. College campus, city protests, social media..... all you hear is their side. It's about time we heard the Israeli plight in main stream media.
Why? Would it make any difference? You know what happened without their BS. I think this just shows how useless the MSM.
exactly
We are in very dangerous seas, very dark times, and Kristina seems to think the FP will give her the insight into the other side - what rock is the poor dear living under? Clearly she hasn’t seen any of Hamas brutality.
I have always believed reason is the solution to earthly problems. So I have always wanted to understand the why of things. But as I have matured I have come to realize that there are things that things that do not fit within my framework of things.
You nailed it!
How can it be a "genocide" when the Palestinian population is growing at a rate 33% greater than Israel's?
If I were forced to sum up after my previous observations, I would simply say that the Palestinians have been plagued by “leaders” so committed to the destruction of Israel that they are willing, and have been willing, to destroy the Palestinians as well.
The US has been invaded
Look at Starbucks union
College professors
College students
BDS
30 countries at war against Israel sinc1947
And the list goes on
How do you stop it
Deport
Arrest and put in prison
Fire board of directors
Fire employees
Do not hire members of
Stop all federal student loans
Yes all student loans
Revoke teir state license to be a college
Boycott
Companies
Starbucks
MacDonald's
Lush
Would someone please see up a website
Boycott all goods from the 30 Muslim countries
Cancel the non profits status
Their are 2 billion Muslims and 15 million Jews
And probably almost all American college students
My comments are related to both of these compelling stories. My comments are also discountable coming from someone who has lived 70+ years in America. But over at least 40 I have read the arguments on both “sides” of this interminable conflict, often with hope and encouraged by efforts at resolution, particularly those of President Carter. Over these 40+ years I am left with an observation that many may, more credible than I, of a lack of the emergence of anyone truly dedicated to building a prosperous and positive Palestinian state or community despite of several opportunities to do so. For whatever the reason, I have the impression of deliberate efforts to the contrary, lest it result in the ultimate recognition of Israel as a lasting reality. It has seemed to me over these years that all the efforts of those who “support” the Palestinian cause has been to prevent a coexisting prosperous Palestinian entity of whatever description.
https://youtu.be/R-x-cRReI1A?si=CdoeRwhkBiFEzxbi
To influence and fight the hate and ignorance you need to know the historical facts and truth
Also read Joan Powers
From Time Immemorial
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing.
What a great video! Thanks for posting it.
I’d like to understand what it means to say (paraphrasing) ‘I don’t have an issue with Jewish people, it’s the State of Israel I have a problem with’. I don’t understand what the difference is.
It means "don't label me an anti-semite ... regardless of whether I am or not."
Placing these two accounts, one after the other, with their well expressed and limited points of view, that’s really good journalism. Thanks. Don’t get this quality of writing and seeing in many places these days. That’s why I’m a member.