It continues to amaze me how quickly the usual suspects draw the immediate conclusions that the alarmists want to hear and then every usual source disseminates it. This happens again and again and again. ANd when they are proven wrong as they are over and over again there is no retreat, no apology.
FP - I strongly suggest you do an interview with Steven Koonin who wrote a book (Unsettled) on this very topic, and gave myriad examples of what he called "facts in the service of informing versus [selective] facts in the service of persuasion." He may be the ultimate Free Presser.
Reminds me of the reporting on the Jetblue flight last year that ran into severe turbulence en route from Ecuador to Ft Lauderdale, injuring a number of passengers. While climate change and the dangers of flying were breathlessly reported - as was the "fact" that the airplane was on approach to Ft Lauderdale - the turbulence was actually due to the pilot flying too close to thunderstorms near Jamaica.
"It’s disturbing that journalists jumped to conclusions about this incident."
Yes, it is "disturbing." But, seriously, are you surprised that journalists did this? They do it every day. Fear sells. A thoughtful, balanced assessment of an issue doesn't.
I find it "disturbing" that this strikes you as something out of the ordinary, as a recent phenomenon. The reason why The Free Press has succeeded is that, for the most part, it doesn't have an agenda, other than providing accurate information and thoughtful, accurate assessments of the world around us. I wouldn't say TFP is unique in this regard, but it is an endangered species.
What is sad is that, once upon a time in a galaxy far, far away, this was the norm at the NYT, WaPo, etc. Quoth the Raven, "Never more."
While it is debatable whether turbulence is affected by climate change, one astoundingly obvious fact remains. Passengers need to heed the safety briefing advising us to “wear your seatbelt while seated.”
You can fool some of the people, etc..., but as long as the media promotes a narrative you can actually fool nearly all of the people nearly all of the time. I'm suspicious. Why? Even when the Paris Climate agreement was forced to admit what it would actually accomplish, its founders confessed its provisions would do little. Still, Obama pledged us to it. It's like David Horowitz wrote, the environmental movement is a watermelon, green on the outside but red on the inside. It's comprised of nothing more than marxists who wish to destroy freedom and capitalism.
I'm willing to bet that this jack-ass model predicting man-made climate change induced air turbulence cannot and will not take into account clouds---which are, uh, kind of a big, important variable.
Of course attributing the Singapore flight's encounter to climate change is ridiculous, but since the media have to hyperventilate over every aviation incident, and everything that isn't caused by climate change must be attributed to racism (they may still work racism into this one, somehow), then of course they would say that.
there always have been end of the world preachers always will be , nothing new . A scared stupid population is easy to control .Just look at what the preachers DO not what they say to the crowds
My faith in modeling crumpled away after the disastrous failure of the Covid death models. I'll go with the actual pilots who said there were thunderstorms in the area. Common sense.
It can do anything--make things hotter, make things colder, speed things up, slow things down, make more of whatever, make less of whatever. The twist to this science fiction story, however, is that everything it does is bad.
I mean, you'd think that it would have *some* good consequences...wouldn't you?
The thing that always amazes me is how much of a beating these planes can take.
I’ve been in what I thought was severe turbulence many times and I hoped the plane would hold together.
But it was nothing like this.
There was an incident a few years back over the pacific where a plane just dropped a thousand feet in a few seconds, people plastered to the ceiling, then it caught air and stopped dropping and people slammed to the floor.
And yet the wings didn’t snap off even though the decel force would have been massive.
Open air turbulence has always been there and is completely unpredictable, the only defense is have your seatbelt on, if you are on a transoceanic flight it’s simply bloody mindedness to not have your seatbelt on.
The airline should tell all the injured to pound sand, they were warned to keep seatbelt on when seated, only take it off to get out of seat.
Ihave been on one or two flights that have dropped 10,000 feet in seconds , it happens nothing new , just another end of the world climate change scare headline
It continues to amaze me how quickly the usual suspects draw the immediate conclusions that the alarmists want to hear and then every usual source disseminates it. This happens again and again and again. ANd when they are proven wrong as they are over and over again there is no retreat, no apology.
FP - I strongly suggest you do an interview with Steven Koonin who wrote a book (Unsettled) on this very topic, and gave myriad examples of what he called "facts in the service of informing versus [selective] facts in the service of persuasion." He may be the ultimate Free Presser.
Thanks for the suggestion. Just pre-ordered a copy of the paper back version. Have you read False Alarm? If so, how would you compare the two books?
Reminds me of the reporting on the Jetblue flight last year that ran into severe turbulence en route from Ecuador to Ft Lauderdale, injuring a number of passengers. While climate change and the dangers of flying were breathlessly reported - as was the "fact" that the airplane was on approach to Ft Lauderdale - the turbulence was actually due to the pilot flying too close to thunderstorms near Jamaica.
"It’s disturbing that journalists jumped to conclusions about this incident."
Yes, it is "disturbing." But, seriously, are you surprised that journalists did this? They do it every day. Fear sells. A thoughtful, balanced assessment of an issue doesn't.
I find it "disturbing" that this strikes you as something out of the ordinary, as a recent phenomenon. The reason why The Free Press has succeeded is that, for the most part, it doesn't have an agenda, other than providing accurate information and thoughtful, accurate assessments of the world around us. I wouldn't say TFP is unique in this regard, but it is an endangered species.
What is sad is that, once upon a time in a galaxy far, far away, this was the norm at the NYT, WaPo, etc. Quoth the Raven, "Never more."
They don't even bother to quote a dissenter. Because to do so would be to concede the issue isn't settled.
Well done.
While it is debatable whether turbulence is affected by climate change, one astoundingly obvious fact remains. Passengers need to heed the safety briefing advising us to “wear your seatbelt while seated.”
Well, truly, & most righteously said.
The continual drum beat that everything is caused by climate change only drives people to be suspicious.
You can fool some of the people, etc..., but as long as the media promotes a narrative you can actually fool nearly all of the people nearly all of the time. I'm suspicious. Why? Even when the Paris Climate agreement was forced to admit what it would actually accomplish, its founders confessed its provisions would do little. Still, Obama pledged us to it. It's like David Horowitz wrote, the environmental movement is a watermelon, green on the outside but red on the inside. It's comprised of nothing more than marxists who wish to destroy freedom and capitalism.
I'm willing to bet that this jack-ass model predicting man-made climate change induced air turbulence cannot and will not take into account clouds---which are, uh, kind of a big, important variable.
Of course attributing the Singapore flight's encounter to climate change is ridiculous, but since the media have to hyperventilate over every aviation incident, and everything that isn't caused by climate change must be attributed to racism (they may still work racism into this one, somehow), then of course they would say that.
I’ve yet to see a report of a disaster that hasn’t been attributed to climate change.
there always have been end of the world preachers always will be , nothing new . A scared stupid population is easy to control .Just look at what the preachers DO not what they say to the crowds
My faith in modeling crumpled away after the disastrous failure of the Covid death models. I'll go with the actual pilots who said there were thunderstorms in the area. Common sense.
To which COVID death models do you refer?
Almost all of them got it wrong by orders of magnitude.
Global warming is magic.
It can do anything--make things hotter, make things colder, speed things up, slow things down, make more of whatever, make less of whatever. The twist to this science fiction story, however, is that everything it does is bad.
I mean, you'd think that it would have *some* good consequences...wouldn't you?
Funny.
Rupa - Thanks again for keeping the narrative honest. Grateful for your courage and persistence.
The thing that always amazes me is how much of a beating these planes can take.
I’ve been in what I thought was severe turbulence many times and I hoped the plane would hold together.
But it was nothing like this.
There was an incident a few years back over the pacific where a plane just dropped a thousand feet in a few seconds, people plastered to the ceiling, then it caught air and stopped dropping and people slammed to the floor.
And yet the wings didn’t snap off even though the decel force would have been massive.
Comforts me
John Robson is another canadian gem like Rupa, he makes endless mocking fun of the pretentious “scientists say” twits.
I highly recommend the blog, updated Wednesdays.
https://climatediscussionnexus.com/blog/
Open air turbulence has always been there and is completely unpredictable, the only defense is have your seatbelt on, if you are on a transoceanic flight it’s simply bloody mindedness to not have your seatbelt on.
The airline should tell all the injured to pound sand, they were warned to keep seatbelt on when seated, only take it off to get out of seat.
Great site - been reading it for years.
Ihave been on one or two flights that have dropped 10,000 feet in seconds , it happens nothing new , just another end of the world climate change scare headline
Part of the reason they fly so high, besides efficiency, more room to recover