Officially, the activists with degrees don’t exist. Unofficially, the “salts” helped lead the only successful revolt against the world’s most powerful tech giant.
The college kid activists are just there to get high paying union jobs. They don't care about the workers any more than Amazon does. The difference is that Amazon actually pays the line workers whereas the union bosses will take their dues and tell them how hard they're working for them.
Would love for this article to be a wake up call to readers to reconsider their buying habits and need for instant gratification for cheap goods from China. I know that shopping locally and from neighborhood merchants generally costs more, but the alternative is hollowed out communities with no commerce, no vibrancy and no places to gather. Also, a small business owner assumes great risk by going at it on their own: their chances for failure are higher than for success, and the taxes, levies and fees municipal governments force them to pay are crushing. I am always amazed people take the risk, but am highly appreciative that they do.
It's unfortunate Amazon devalues its workers so much that they're willing and able to replace their entire warehouse workforce every few months. Our constant purchases from Amazon are partly responsible for this attitude. And do we really need next day delivery? Would waiting a couple of days possibly lessen the unrealistic expectations and burdens on these workers?
Unions are no more then a right arm to the democratic party. It is a way for everyone to fall in line with their policies and crazy "woke" agendas. With 10 years under my belt at Starbucks I was scratching my head thinking"what more could they get from a union". The benefits have been amazing. Healthcare, tuition at ASU, LYRA mental health counseling, Hardship $ in the event of a catastrophic event in your life, conscientious workmans comp in the event of a workplace injury, life insurance, paid parental leave for dad as well as mom, monetary help with adoption, the list goes on and on. When all the benefits are taken advantage of at Starbucks the pay then becomes amazing. Bernie Sanders badgered Howard Schultz for hours concerning what liberals have said was an effort to block union organizing at Starbucks when in reality the company was just working hard to make sure these young adults knew what would happen when they formed a union. Bernie Sanders and his wife are worth MILLIONS and yet he stood in front of Howard Schultz and told him basically that he didn't have the right to be a millionaire. Howard Schultz built his dream from the ground up and employs over 160,000 people in the US. As for me, I stand with Starbucks and will be there until noon on the day of my funeral. :)
Wesleyan and Oberlin grads. From entitled rich families. Did I miss the part about these young ladies agreeing to be disinherited and not receiving any stipends from mom and dad so that they truly are in the same boat as their coworkers . If they have done so, I salute them. I also could not help but draw comparisons to another altruist whose folks teach at Stanford law school.
Unionization will encourage Bezos to automate more aspects of Amazon, reducing the number of jobs. I would guess that most of these jobs are summer or short term jobs in any case.
Unions can serve a good function, but their track record is awful. Corruption abounds. They should be held to the same scrutiny as other groups in terms of transparency and honest disclosure to the union members and the public.
I find it disingenuous the amazon workers “have no choice.” The free market operates for both employers and employees. If people refuse to work for Amazon, they will raise their wages. As long as they have plenty of employees, things will likely stay the same. “Work related injuries” such as “tendinitis” and “disc degeneration.” Hmm, that used to be considered aging... The fact that these union organizers are all socialists says it all.
Reading the article, it highlights to me why jobs and population are leaving New York. The population movements from the coasts to the South and Southwest is among the most significant demographic trends. I foresee a time when the Northeast will be left with jobs for academics, government regulators, activist groups and union organizing. Unfortunately, socialism only works until you run out of people to pay for it.
As with all things, the superior elites know what’s best for the inferior working class who are too ignorant to make decisions that they have to live with.
God save us from over-educated Rich kids. I'm sure they mean well but so did all the union organizers that invaded the South and Appalachia a few decades ago. Those organizers are now doctors and lawyers up north raising happy little country club families and the people they left behind are fentanyl addicts and unemployed as they watch their jobs go overseas. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and I wish these activists would realize that companies cannot pay off the extortion money to the government to fund all our social programs and at the same time pay high wages. In some cases such as Amazon unionization is probably necessary to force the company to be humane but they are a rare extreme example.
there’s Jeff, then the robots, and then the rest of the humans that work there way down below.” --- Wait, isn't Jeff one of the darling liberal people with more money than many corporations? Him, Suckenburg, Gates, Kerry, Gore, and others. Thought they were the darlings of the liberal elite, especially during campaign finance season? Much like the very rich actors DeCrapo, they talk a good game but in reality live the life they believe only they deserve.
Does this mean out of touch and wanting utopia rich kids at least learning real work is not fun and corporations will just use you. Always been that way and unlikely to change. But the rich kids who already have money in their future from Mom and Dad pretend to care for their glory. It’s not a great surprise that twenty- and thirty-somethings—who came of age in the wake of the housing and financial crises, graduated with unprecedented debt into the so-called gig economy, and are less likely than older generations to marry or own real-estate—are ripe for organizing. --- News here! Housing and financial issues have always been here and this is not new to this generation. I grew up with them as did most people I know, so you are not special in this problem. Should Amazon be rained in? Yes. They suck at using recycled goods and do destroy local businesses, much like Walmart and Costco. But the rich get to pay off the local, state and federal government. The Feds by the corrupt politicians like AOC, Bernie, and yes the repubs also. The electors need to become more educated on candidates but not likely with the need to spend millions on a Congressional seat that pays about $250K a year.
For the kids with debt. Well maybe don't attend colleges that drive your debt up. Try using Junior College then the 4 year college to complete. Maybe get a degree that actually has value. How about a good trade school. Amazon warehouse probably does suck. But be a plumber digging up pip[es in the winter, or the heating person working outside to fix your system. How about the electrical line-people who work through natural weather disasters? Most of these salts had Mommy and Daddy pay for their socialist education. To me they have little to no credibility.
And one day these kids will grow up and learn what everyone learns, if they have any sense. Socialism doesn't make money. It does not create wealth. It just redistributes, which is all well and good up to a point, but someone has to make the stuff to redistribute. The only sustainable society makes money, and redistributes some of it, but accepts that in order to do so there must be those that give and those that receive, ie some financial inequality. The hard part is finding the right balance. America has had a forty year run now of wildly successful creation, but nowhere near enough redistribution. The danger is that idealistic kids like these will get "the revolution they [think] they deserve" and destroy the means to make wealth. I grew up in post-war socialist Britain. Nationalised railways, road haulage, post office, telephones, gas, electricity, steel, coal, water ultilities, healthcare, education. Nice in some ways, awful in others. Powerful unions destroyed those industries and caused stagflation. Industrial disease, we called it. Maggie Thatcher's medicine tasted bitter, but she was proven right. Sadly though, we don't learn from the past and are now about to repeat the cycle.
Six weeks after I started my professional career, the unionized clerical workers went on strike for over a year. As a newly minted engineer, myself and five or so similarly situated people were tasked with assuming the work of a crew of about 12 strikers.
In about 8 weeks we had cleared their workload, a two foot tall stack of shop problems. Why? By union agreement each document they touched required a minimum of two hours to process, so 4 per day maximum. As salaried employees, we had no such restriction. If a task took an hour or five minutes, we’d move on to the next one.
This has soured me to unions for over 40 years. Don’t get me wrong…unions have contributed greatly to achieve benefits such as a 40 hour work week, vacation, holiday, and sick time, and worker safety. Yes…I find some of the conditions at Amazon to be most egregious, but that union organizers have to salt the process tells me again that unions are at the limit of their usefulness.
The college kid activists are just there to get high paying union jobs. They don't care about the workers any more than Amazon does. The difference is that Amazon actually pays the line workers whereas the union bosses will take their dues and tell them how hard they're working for them.
Would love for this article to be a wake up call to readers to reconsider their buying habits and need for instant gratification for cheap goods from China. I know that shopping locally and from neighborhood merchants generally costs more, but the alternative is hollowed out communities with no commerce, no vibrancy and no places to gather. Also, a small business owner assumes great risk by going at it on their own: their chances for failure are higher than for success, and the taxes, levies and fees municipal governments force them to pay are crushing. I am always amazed people take the risk, but am highly appreciative that they do.
It's unfortunate Amazon devalues its workers so much that they're willing and able to replace their entire warehouse workforce every few months. Our constant purchases from Amazon are partly responsible for this attitude. And do we really need next day delivery? Would waiting a couple of days possibly lessen the unrealistic expectations and burdens on these workers?
Unions are no more then a right arm to the democratic party. It is a way for everyone to fall in line with their policies and crazy "woke" agendas. With 10 years under my belt at Starbucks I was scratching my head thinking"what more could they get from a union". The benefits have been amazing. Healthcare, tuition at ASU, LYRA mental health counseling, Hardship $ in the event of a catastrophic event in your life, conscientious workmans comp in the event of a workplace injury, life insurance, paid parental leave for dad as well as mom, monetary help with adoption, the list goes on and on. When all the benefits are taken advantage of at Starbucks the pay then becomes amazing. Bernie Sanders badgered Howard Schultz for hours concerning what liberals have said was an effort to block union organizing at Starbucks when in reality the company was just working hard to make sure these young adults knew what would happen when they formed a union. Bernie Sanders and his wife are worth MILLIONS and yet he stood in front of Howard Schultz and told him basically that he didn't have the right to be a millionaire. Howard Schultz built his dream from the ground up and employs over 160,000 people in the US. As for me, I stand with Starbucks and will be there until noon on the day of my funeral. :)
So kids from the wealthy families are trying what has failed many times in the past - Soviet Union,Eastern Europe, Cuba etc.
"We can have the revolution we deserve, and we can win a better world, a free socialist world for everyone,” Medina wrote.
There is not one example of a "free" socialist world being successful and good for the people.
Wesleyan and Oberlin grads. From entitled rich families. Did I miss the part about these young ladies agreeing to be disinherited and not receiving any stipends from mom and dad so that they truly are in the same boat as their coworkers . If they have done so, I salute them. I also could not help but draw comparisons to another altruist whose folks teach at Stanford law school.
Unionization will encourage Bezos to automate more aspects of Amazon, reducing the number of jobs. I would guess that most of these jobs are summer or short term jobs in any case.
Unions can serve a good function, but their track record is awful. Corruption abounds. They should be held to the same scrutiny as other groups in terms of transparency and honest disclosure to the union members and the public.
I find it disingenuous the amazon workers “have no choice.” The free market operates for both employers and employees. If people refuse to work for Amazon, they will raise their wages. As long as they have plenty of employees, things will likely stay the same. “Work related injuries” such as “tendinitis” and “disc degeneration.” Hmm, that used to be considered aging... The fact that these union organizers are all socialists says it all.
Reading the article, it highlights to me why jobs and population are leaving New York. The population movements from the coasts to the South and Southwest is among the most significant demographic trends. I foresee a time when the Northeast will be left with jobs for academics, government regulators, activist groups and union organizing. Unfortunately, socialism only works until you run out of people to pay for it.
Wesleyan, Oberlin, Marymount Manhattan. That's all the information I need from this article.
As with all things, the superior elites know what’s best for the inferior working class who are too ignorant to make decisions that they have to live with.
God save us from over-educated Rich kids. I'm sure they mean well but so did all the union organizers that invaded the South and Appalachia a few decades ago. Those organizers are now doctors and lawyers up north raising happy little country club families and the people they left behind are fentanyl addicts and unemployed as they watch their jobs go overseas. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and I wish these activists would realize that companies cannot pay off the extortion money to the government to fund all our social programs and at the same time pay high wages. In some cases such as Amazon unionization is probably necessary to force the company to be humane but they are a rare extreme example.
there’s Jeff, then the robots, and then the rest of the humans that work there way down below.” --- Wait, isn't Jeff one of the darling liberal people with more money than many corporations? Him, Suckenburg, Gates, Kerry, Gore, and others. Thought they were the darlings of the liberal elite, especially during campaign finance season? Much like the very rich actors DeCrapo, they talk a good game but in reality live the life they believe only they deserve.
Does this mean out of touch and wanting utopia rich kids at least learning real work is not fun and corporations will just use you. Always been that way and unlikely to change. But the rich kids who already have money in their future from Mom and Dad pretend to care for their glory. It’s not a great surprise that twenty- and thirty-somethings—who came of age in the wake of the housing and financial crises, graduated with unprecedented debt into the so-called gig economy, and are less likely than older generations to marry or own real-estate—are ripe for organizing. --- News here! Housing and financial issues have always been here and this is not new to this generation. I grew up with them as did most people I know, so you are not special in this problem. Should Amazon be rained in? Yes. They suck at using recycled goods and do destroy local businesses, much like Walmart and Costco. But the rich get to pay off the local, state and federal government. The Feds by the corrupt politicians like AOC, Bernie, and yes the repubs also. The electors need to become more educated on candidates but not likely with the need to spend millions on a Congressional seat that pays about $250K a year.
For the kids with debt. Well maybe don't attend colleges that drive your debt up. Try using Junior College then the 4 year college to complete. Maybe get a degree that actually has value. How about a good trade school. Amazon warehouse probably does suck. But be a plumber digging up pip[es in the winter, or the heating person working outside to fix your system. How about the electrical line-people who work through natural weather disasters? Most of these salts had Mommy and Daddy pay for their socialist education. To me they have little to no credibility.
And one day these kids will grow up and learn what everyone learns, if they have any sense. Socialism doesn't make money. It does not create wealth. It just redistributes, which is all well and good up to a point, but someone has to make the stuff to redistribute. The only sustainable society makes money, and redistributes some of it, but accepts that in order to do so there must be those that give and those that receive, ie some financial inequality. The hard part is finding the right balance. America has had a forty year run now of wildly successful creation, but nowhere near enough redistribution. The danger is that idealistic kids like these will get "the revolution they [think] they deserve" and destroy the means to make wealth. I grew up in post-war socialist Britain. Nationalised railways, road haulage, post office, telephones, gas, electricity, steel, coal, water ultilities, healthcare, education. Nice in some ways, awful in others. Powerful unions destroyed those industries and caused stagflation. Industrial disease, we called it. Maggie Thatcher's medicine tasted bitter, but she was proven right. Sadly though, we don't learn from the past and are now about to repeat the cycle.
Six weeks after I started my professional career, the unionized clerical workers went on strike for over a year. As a newly minted engineer, myself and five or so similarly situated people were tasked with assuming the work of a crew of about 12 strikers.
In about 8 weeks we had cleared their workload, a two foot tall stack of shop problems. Why? By union agreement each document they touched required a minimum of two hours to process, so 4 per day maximum. As salaried employees, we had no such restriction. If a task took an hour or five minutes, we’d move on to the next one.
This has soured me to unions for over 40 years. Don’t get me wrong…unions have contributed greatly to achieve benefits such as a 40 hour work week, vacation, holiday, and sick time, and worker safety. Yes…I find some of the conditions at Amazon to be most egregious, but that union organizers have to salt the process tells me again that unions are at the limit of their usefulness.
What an unabashedly biased article. Wow. How mainstream. With photo ops for Bernie and Ortazio-Cortez thrown in.
Not liking this.
Parents spent a fortune on their kids’ education only to turn them into Useful Idiots in the service of a bankrupt ideology.