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What an ending 😆🤦🏻‍♀️👏

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That's a very profound simplification. There is HUGE cultural impact on women and our body image. Patriarchy or not, it is there. Compare the body image of US women to women in African and Latin American countries. Completely different, and they are all patriarchies.

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I’m unclear on how this actually works. It makes users eat less and this creates a calorie deficit? Or something else?

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"One out of every five children in the U.S. is affected by obesity." What a strangely passive way of writing "Too many children are grotesquely fat". Obesity isn't an airborne virus that 'happens' to you by chance.

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I think it’s a personal decision. If someone can afford Ozempic and wants to use it, good for them. I wouldn’t take it because of the side effects, but I have an extremely low tolerance for nausea. Why not look glamorous if you can? Btw, that school lunch bs doesn’t fly. You can serve all the healthy school lunches you like, but kids won’t eat ‘em. They’ll buy shakes and candy bars.

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These people are bloody morons. "She says she was 5 feet 5 and 189 pounds the day her doctor handed her semaglutide to treat her prediabetes and rising cholesterol levels—health issues that have run in her family for generations. "

Someone should give this woman a lecture on how it's not the health issues that run in the family, it's the diet/lifestyle that runs in the family and as a result family ends up with the same health issues. Crazy concept, I know, but it's called critical thinking. More people should try it.

Less than 3% of all health issues are genetic and most people know that diabetes and high cholesterol (which is a myth by the way) is from diet/lifestyle and can be reversed by changing ones diet and lifestyle. Wow, what a novel idea.

People are ignorant and lazy and want quick fixes and that is the truth. Making changes can be hard, but it's worth it.

Hard to believe what people will do to their only home here on earth for vanity. The shortsightedness is mind blowing.

Here is a prescription for them: eat healthy 80% of the time, get some sunshine, take a walk, and love yourself. The side effects of that prescription are amazing.

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Natural v Unnatural. That’s all this is. The more we deviate from nature, the more we suffer. It’s natural to enhance nature. It’s unnatural to undermine cut and then rejigger the consequences.

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I mean, wow! I had no idea this was happening until I heard it on the Honestly podcast earlier this week. I do think genetics plays a role in weight, but diet and exercise are the most important factors. I guess it is much easier to just inject yourself once per week.

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My mind was stuck on. “And the girls are trying to look pretty”. B.T.O.

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The drug of sugar should be very sharply curtailed and come with a warning like nicotine. That would go a long way to eliminating many issues around obesity. We are addicts. It is extremely difficult to wean ourselves from sugar and correct our brains with willpower alone. We need an additional aid to get us over this enormous hurdle while at the same time correcting behavior and promoting better lifestyle choices. I think with more testing and innovation scientists can decipher a way to provide the benefits of Ozempic and Wegovy without needing to be on it for life as a weight-control aid.

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I have been in 3 drug stage three human drug trails for these drugs so I know what I am saying. I have done a Norvo, Biotech, and currently am one of 581 people that are testing a Pfizer drug. When you said in the program that people don't have to exercise or change their diet you are very very wrong. I have to keep logs of my exercise and logs of what I eat. If Doctors are prescribing it without talking about lifestyle changes then they are not doing their jobs. I can also whole heartly agree with the statement that without the drug your cravings for food come back ten fold.

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So the way this drug works is by appetite suppression, thus resulting in a calorie deficit? This was unclear to me in the article.

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Mar 1, 2023·edited Mar 1, 2023

Yes, these drugs work by making you less hungry. I haven't been on Ozempic specifically but have been in drug trials for this class of drugs. These drugs make you feel fuller longer and make you feel full quicker when you do eat they can have side effects like making you want to throw up which will of course also makes you eat less. The only side effect I have experienced is constipation which is easily fixed by putting MiraLAX in my daily protein shake. I agree with the guest that thinks these drugs will make little kids hooked on these drugs for life. I have to take 3 months off in between drug trails and my hungry comes back ten fold during those months. Also, I have never lost more than 30 mounds on any of these meds. Again I am in drug trails so might be getting very low dosage of the meds or placebos. I am a blue color worker as I am sure you can tell with my lack of writing skills and can not afford these meds so get them by doing these trails. I am 5 foot 8 inches and currently 270 pounds and was put on my first diet at the age of 12. I believe in the podcast Bari was the one that said people are losing weight without having to diet or exercise lucky them. All 3 drug trails I have been in I have had to keep logs of my diet and my exercise the drugs are suppose to be used with diet and exercise not in place of them.

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Thanks for that explanation. So, in summary, disciplined eating (or, reduced eating actually) could accomplish the same results if one could do it?

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yes

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Thanks, I learned a lot from your replies.

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The podcast is phenomenal. I love the honesty and passion of those involved. They can disagree without throwing someone under the bus. I expect there are many solutions to the obesity epidemic. And a miracle drug that you have to take for life isn't one I would choose.

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I listened to the Honestly podcast and was pretty disappointed by the comments made by the participants. Calley Means sounds like a one horse pony fanatic, insulting the other participants with snide references to their relationships with food and pharma, while he himself was a consultant to these industries. Lots of vilification of processed foods, without ANY advice as to what 350 million people are supposed to eat. Not a mention of one of the obvious strategies--teach portion control. Instead of taxing wheat thins, how about teaching that a few are OK, enjoy them. Put the box back on the shelf. Oh, and school lunches are junk. Uh huh. And what happened when they were made more “healthy”? Lots of plate waste. And no, kids should not get oxempic or gastic reduction surgery. Why are these options even mentioned? Could it be $$$$? The whole discussion got no where because everyone but the parents and the kids were blamed. Without personal responsibility no diet will work. Every obese person needs to come to that moment when they say, Enough. I don’t like myself this way and I am going to change it. There will be lots of setbacks, but keep going. This is a lifelong journey.

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I don't have a good answer. I've had a couple of doctors who I'm pretty sure knew a lot about the drugs they prescribed. On the other hand, my wife had an oncologist that I think was a little loose.

But your point of view is correct - benefit/risk must be evaluated. Sure, the Internet is a great source of information - but you have to consider the whole picture. Hate to say this - but before the Internet - people didn't get the half-baked advice that his become so common. Sure, people who take this drug (which is for type 2 diabetes) benefit - and some lose weight.

But what's the long term effects? Ignore the diabetes and eventually it's pretty bad.

As you say - take the drug (not always from verified sources) and you don't know the risk.

I asked my Dr for the big T one time (testosterone) he laughed and said he wouldn't risk the lawsuit for the unknown longterm complications.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply - complete with real anecdotal info about side effects.

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"Maybe not all doctors practice this way but I think the young ones are being educated into this system so do not know to question it. As a result patient health decisions are controlled by algorithms."

Patient health decisions controlled by Algorithms started with ObamaCare. Obama created ObamaCare without any input/advice from medical professionals, including doctors. He only received input from Lobbyists who paid him & Congress. Thus ObamaCare is terrible for patients & medical professionals.

All doctors, young & old, hate the Algorithms & hate ObamaCare. Even liberal doctors hate it, though they don't blame Obama =)

The small hospitals still exist, but they were bought by Big Corporate monopoly healthcare chains, also as a result of ObamaCare. Obama got paid off by Big Hospital Chain lobbyists to put certain laws into ObamaCare that create benefits for Big Hospitals > small hospitals. This is similar to lobbyists for any big Corporate industry that pay off Congress to pass laws to benefit them, at the expense of small businesses.

You have to also understand that doctors have no say, and no control whatsoever, over anything the rich Bureaucrats do.

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This is so american it hurts. For years we've been told the problem was impossibly beauty standards. Accept your body. Fat is beautiful and healthy at every size. Why? Because nobody was making money off promoting healthy diet and exercise. And who would that hurt? Big food, big pharma, and our medical industry that is becoming less and less about health and more and more of a big business. But now that there is a drug? Oh well, now all of a sudden it turns out you arent healthy at every weight and in fact fat isnt beautiful (not my opinion but rather an observation of approved public sentiment). Just more of the trend of pathologizing everything we can create a drug for. We have no idea what the long term side effects are going to be nor will this address underlying metabolic health issues which cause obesity and a host of other problems. Its like depression. Dont address the issue, just take this drug and never ever get off it. And dont worry about stigma because everyone else is doing it and the ruling class will normalize it.

Im a free market guy but this is perverse. I keep telling everyone who will listen that the powers that be are incentivized to promote all things that disempower people and rob them of health and happiness. This isnt conspiracy. Its recognition of incentive structures. If you are happy and healthy, you arent making anyone money. If you have power, they dont. All the people who present themselves as our saviors or our heroes or whatever, are grifters. All the messaging we get from the media, through social media, from our public agencies are in their interests not yours. Stop eating processed food. Eliminate ALL added sweeteners. Eat whole foods. Exercise. Meditate. Find real faith. Engage with your friends and family. Get outside. Be healthy in mind, body, and spirit. You dont need anyone else to realize your spiritual potential. All the power is within you. Everyone who tells you otherwise is self interested liar. Love to all

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