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This week the President said he has f-15's for domestic opponents and was flanked by the military while he gave a speech that usually proceed a purge of society by one faction over another. There is a sense of denial in many that this actually happening but just look around and think about what has been normalized. The establishment of widespread censorship regimes between the Fed and their corporate allies would normally have led to outrage and anger, now its a shrug of the shoulders moment. Well here is a thought for this Friday: The FBI or other law enforcement agencies are likely monitoring this sub stack and the comments here and taking notes accordingly. Substack and the infrastructure that supports it is most assuredly being looked at in case it needs to be curtailed and last but not least all of us who pay for any sub stack would likely have our private information subpoenaed without any knowledge of it occuring. That is the modern reality and when the crack down occurs here where will be the next outlet to discuss and speak? Will there be one?

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Sep 2, 2022·edited Sep 2, 2022

All that was missing was a mustache and an outstretched arm. His supporters have taken off their jackets and exposed their brown shirts.

The definition of fascism includes a mutually beneficial relationship between big government and big business to the disadvantage of the little guy. This is exactly what the democrats have done. And there also needs to be a Dept of Propaganda. Check.

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The root of the word fascism is an Italian word meaning ‘to bind together.’ The binding together of government, the media, corporations, universities and other institutions of society. That describes the Democratic Party and US institutions perfectly.

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“All within the state, and nothing outside the state” was the motto of Mussolini’s fascism.

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OMG--that was exactly my first thought when I saw him against the red background!

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When I first saw a still image of the speech (I didn't watch it; don't have TV, just streaming), I thought someone had been monkeying around with photoshop. But no, it was actually real. Talk about "saying the quiet part out loud"!

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The photoshop actually went the other way; towards the end of the speech CNN put a filter on their cameras to make the red look purple.

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Seriously?! I guess even his friends think he's overplayed his hand now.

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I've seen a suggestion that the optics were meant to *appeal* to Republicans, since the Leftists making these decisions just *know* that Republicans are all Nazis at hearts.

I would rather believe that Leftists really ARE that stupid than that the Left has decided to openly embrace their fascism. I'm not at all confident of that, but it's a less horrifying alternative.

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I’m still surprised anyone watched that dumpster fire.

My thanks for wasting valuable time on behalf of those of us who decided listening to Biden mumble and stumble and mutter just wasn’t worth the rise in blood pressure.

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Wasn’t worth the rise in Blood pressure. But I got a sense we all fed up with Biden,Democrats,Big Tech Corporations etc, think Americans just want to go home. They want peace, stability, education, health care and decent place place to live. We have anything but, so yes I believe in making America great. Don’t think Biden wants that if he did he wouldn’t be so worried about President Trump whose philosophy has always been to MAGA!

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He actually spoke pretty well. Must have been jacked up with Adderall or something.

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Marie...double that...

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With the two marines behind him crazy shit

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Wait. Someone actually watched Biden's speech? Get a life.

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Apparently, "Bowling for Dollars" wasn't on that night.

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Biden’s continuing hateful and divisive rants are straight out of the playbook authoritarians like Hitler, Stalin and Xi Jinping have used to cement absolute control over their populace - separate, marginalize, intimidate, incarcerate and eventually exterminate opponents. Labeling Donald Trump and Republicans who support him semi-fascists and declaring they “represent an extremism that threatens the very foundation of our Republic” is only the start. While he hasn’t yet publicly referred to them as “rats” as Goebbels did to the Jews, it may be just a matter of time before he and his leftist allies in government and the media go full Nazi. His authoritarian bona fides are already well established. His politicized JustUs Department labeled moms and dads who dared protest the indoctrination of their children as domestic terrorists while refusing to prosecute mobs trying to intimidate Supreme Court Justices, even after an assassination attempt. He coerced Big Tech into silencing any speech he and minions like Fauci didn’t like so he could extend the Covid reign of terror and use mandates to crush the dreams of small business, school children and anyone refusing to be vaccinated. He embraced FBI leaders who collaborated with Facebook and other internet platforms into burying details of depravity and corruption contained in his son’s laptop to help swing the 2020 election and happily deployed them to stage an unprecedented raid on a former president and likely presidential opponent’s private residence.

Biden and his minions are everything they accuse Trump of being. The only question is will enough people vote to defeat them before it’s too late.

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Amazing how Dems, liberals, leftists (whatever the name it all means the same at this point) cannot comprehend what is happening right before their very eyes. And since they can’t, or won’t acknowledge this, it means they’re in favor of what’s happening.

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Didn't Biden say, "Every Time I Blink It's Like A New Day."

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Really? He said that?

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What exactly is happening, Linda? Trump lost, despite having a 99% approval rating or something?

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Sep 3, 2022·edited Sep 3, 2022

Did I even mention Trump? That’s always the comeback.

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Yep. It sure is the comeback when you had nothing to say about Trump attacking individuals, ethnic groups, disabled people, other GOP, calling for companies to be boycotted and for people to be thrown in jail.

So, for you to get your panties in twist over "semi-fascist" shows what a disingenuous hypocritical fraud you are.....was that a direct enough answer for you?

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Linda, he is doing what leftwing supporters do and that is changing the subject, misdirection. He will never give you a straight on topic answer.

You are wasting your time trying to have a logical debate.

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Lol. How can you not be referring to the Trump years when you claim the downhill has been happening since 1/20/21, the day Trump's term ended.

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Haven't they apprehended 100, 000 over the last 4 weeks?

Yep....wide open.

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I like how Trump never said anything nasty/divisive/hateful about anyone or called for anyone to be locked up.

Someone took a shot at a Supreme Court justice?!

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You cannot justify bad behavior by saying but 'he did it too'. As my mother used to say, 'If <someone> jumped off a cliff would you do it too because they thought it was a good idea?'.

NOTHING justifys that pile of horse poo that Biden pumped out via his speech last night. If he'd had a military cap on he'd have pulled off a perfect Mussolini imitation with his backdrop and lighting and words he spoke against 'people who don't agree with him'

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I've tried to debate leftists for years. You can't. What comprof did is what all left wing fanatics do and that is to divert by changing the subject and if that doesn't work, they will call you names.

The left is an intellectual vacuum. To be fair, right wing fanatics are just as bad.

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A fanatic is a fanatic. You can't reason with them. History and facts mean nothing to them.

You cannot debate them. They get all fired up and angry and start yelling at you. Keep up the good work and poke them with a sharp stick. That alone is worth it. I like to visualize them getting purple in the face with rage and yelling cogent arguments like "You! You! You! Big stupid you!"

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There IS a department of propaganda - aka the mainstream media.

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I hope one day, Conservatives will have media outlets (TV, radio, etc.)

If the cards are played right, maybe one day some of them will get into political office.

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MAGA is a threat to our democracy? Beside those idiots on Jan 6, how many cities did the MAGA group burn down? I believe the real threat to our democracy is ANTIFA, BLM and the Democrat Party and their minions, mayors and governors, for supporting ANTIA and BLM and allowing them to burn down our cities.

When will the ever senile, Joe speak out against BLM and ANTIFA and call them what they really are, a bunch of Communists who actively want to destroy our democracy.

"Black Lives Matter was founded by community organizers. One of the three co-founders said in 2015 that she and another co-founder “are trained Marxists.”

ANTIFA - Are initials of "Antifaschistische Aktion was established by the Communist Party of Germany" in 1932. They were the street thugs of the Germany Communist Party and now they are the street thugs in the US.

How come the ever senile Joe and his Democrat/Socialist Party are not addressing BLM or ANTIFA? How come the obsequious press is not questioning the ever senile Joe and his party for not addressing them?

How long can we continue to post here before the ever senile joe and his henchmen call us terrorist and come and carry us away?

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Jan 6 was nothing, a few people wandering the halls taking selfies, a few cops got shoved by yelling protesters. A protester shot dead by a cop for no reason. Another one pushed off a roof by a cop. The Democrats vastly exaggerated the importance and violence of the event for their own benefit. They knew that there were questions surrounding the 2020 elections, what with massive numbers of mailed ballots, unattended drop boxes, state election boards changing the rules at the last minute to alter the results, and so forth. They had to distract. It's unfortunate that Trump pulled that rookie move and held a rally in D.C. Half a million people came. It was inspiring. But it didn't change the election.

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According to Joe, they have F15s with which to quell any rebellion, yet on 1/6, a disorganized throng of unarmed protesters nearly overthrew the republic.

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And 70 million “ultra MAGA” followers of the Great MAGA King are the greatest threat to the Republic since its founding!

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A good example right now is Michigan. 750,000+ people signed a petition to put abortion rights on the ballot and to make the right to abortion part of the Michigan constitution. All this does is put it on the ballot for people to vote "yes" or "no"--it's not making the law. The Michigan Election Commission has decided they won't allow it on the ballot because they don't like the "word spacing on the petition." The rules say NOTHING about word spacing. This is an example of what they claim makes the petition "invalid."

Add to that the fact that, other than GWB's second term, Republicans have not won the majority vote in more than 40 years. It's only through partisan gerrymandering that they continue to hold as many positions as they do.

Another example, Virginia. Once a Democratic governor was elected, the legislature immediately votes to restrict the power of the governor.

All of these things are much more of a threat to democracy than a bunch of idiots storming the capitol or the downtown of a city, or even a Biden or Trump making a speech.

The MAGA crowd is trying to force their religious views on the entire country. For example, in Texas, every school must have a plaque that says "In God We Trust" but it can't be in Hebrew (or, god forbid, Arabic). And don't even get me started on the theft of Obama's Supreme Court seat.

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State by state, district by district, Republicans are in the majority.

It’s only the big, dysfunctional cities that are strongly skewed to Democrat. These cities are, increasingly, warehouses for the poor and underachievers and criminals who depend on or prey on the public and contribute nothing of value.

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Scott so far, my takeaway from your post is Rep evil, Dems good.

Well here's a little history for you. partisan gerrymandering is practiced by both parties but it seems to me from your post it is bad, no not bad, evil, only when the Reps do it. Apparently when Dems do it you ignore it.

This sort of crap started in the 18th century. Do I like this shit, no but it is a political fact of life and it began almost as soon as our country was born.

You saying that the crap that has been going on for over 200 years is a threat to our democracy. Do I think it is wrong, yes. Is it a threat to our democracy? No. Our democracy has been tolerating this stuff for over 200 years and it is still around.

The people who do this crap are politicians. Enough said.

Now a real threat to our democracy is PC, Woke, BLM and ANTIFA. (Democrats love them.) How come you and your Dem pals aren't upset about them. Here is another threat. Democrats calling school board protesters terrorist. These people are exercising their right under the 1st Amendment to peaceful protest.

The 1st Amendment is under attack from the PC, Work and now the US government. Apparently if you disagree with Dem you are now not only a racist but also a terrorist.

BTW these parents are protesting the teaching of CRT and gender identity. CRT is hard core racist brown smelly stuff. In CRT I am by virtue of my race, white, evil. That is pure racism. CRT is being vigorously defended by the Dems and here all of these years I thought you guys were against racism. Boy was I wrong.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2021/october/biden-attorney-general-deploys-fbi-after-school-board-assoc-compares-parent-protests-to-domestic-terrorism

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CRT being taught in schools is just a made up talking point. None of the school age kids I know are being taught anything like this. Should they be taught about slavery? Of course--it was a large part of our history. Redlining in the 60s and 70s? Maybe at high school level in Social Studies.

How is the 1st Amendment under attack? Your very ability to post here shows otherwise.

I agree with you that both parties gerrymander.

No one is talking about school board meetings where parents speak their mind. They're talking about board members whose lives and families are physically threatened to the point they have to resign. The 1st Amendment doesn't allow you to threaten someone's life even if you do it online.

ANTIFA is a small fringe group like the Proud Boys and others. They don't represent the majority of left-leaning people anymore than the people who stormed the capitol represent right-leaning people.

The media likes to play up "red" and "blue" but when you look at most states, it's 60-40 one way or the other, meaning most people are somewhat in the middle. I'm fairly liberal in many areas but am conservative in others. I'll absolutely vote for a moderate Republican or moderate Dem but won't vote for a right-winger or hard-core left winger, which is, sadly, what our choices are becoming thanks to the primary system.

What I like about the Republican Party is fiscal restraint (well, at least on the local level--that's no longer true at the national level) and law and order (again, more local level than national). What I like about the Dems is equality and live-and-let-live vs. forcing religion on everyone ("my religion teaches life begins at conception therefore you will do what I say regardless of what your religion says").

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Saying "Critical Race Theory is not being taught in K-12 schools," may be true on the narrow meaning of what is said. The problem is that K-12 curricula are being redesigned on the basis of CRT in ways which harm the social fabric of the country by reinforcing the racial divide it supposedly seeks to address and vilifying generally admirable historical figures for not having lived according to a tendentious conception of virtue that has only just been devised by a faction of what passes for the Left these days. The theory itself is not being taught -- better if it were, then it could be debated -- it's conclusions are being smuggled into lesson plans as if they were established facts, rather than the political judgements of a particular faction of our polity.

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Methinks you need to broaden your exposure to other perspectives and get out of your NYTimes/WaPo/CNN/NPR bubble of denialism.

Antifa is not a tiny fringe group and they are NOTHING like the Proud Boys who are just a nonviolent group of mostly military veterans. Antifa are violent and dangerous and are seeking to topple capitalism and what they perceive as a corrupt system. Read Andy Ngo's "Unmasked" for starters, to get a highly accurate, first-hand report on these people, all his facts thoroughly backed up with reputable sources.

Regarding the ambivalent stance on wishing for more moderate Dems & Repubs... good luck with that. It turns out that ambivalence means electing do-nothings who go along to get along. The Democrats are anything but moderate; all 50 Senators voted in lockstep for Biden's deranged and extreme agenda, all of them voted to impeach Trump twice on baseless charges. Even Manchin caved to the trillion dollar scam they called "Inflation Reduction Act", counter to probably the vast majority of people in his very conservative state.

The Republicans are not united and their ideologies span from centrist/liberal (McCain, Romney, Collins et al) to Tea-Party Conservative (Cruz, et al). The Republicans better represent the American people.

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Sep 2, 2022·edited Sep 2, 2022

The Bee has it covered (sorry if this was already linked in the comments)

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-condemns-fascism-in-speech-while-also-debuting-attractive-new-mustache

They're having a field day:

https://babylonbee.com/news/france-surrenders-to-biden

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I'm just glad Trump never talked crap about people, called for boycotts, attacked ethnic groups, tried to banned people from U.S, claimed people aren't U.S. citizens, or ever called for anyone to be arrested and jailed. That would be tacky.

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Trump is the real threat. We should try communism.

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Yeah...people have been claiming the U.S. is going "Commie" since the 1950s

Get a new songbook.

I just want to know where all those missing documents went.

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communism is fake because people talked about it previously

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Trump never "talked crap" about half the country.

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(Banned)Sep 5, 2022·edited Sep 5, 2022

Uh, yes he did. "Liberal Hoax" "Democrat criminals," etc.

Biden talked about "MAGA Republicans." That's not half the country.

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Just read the Babylon Bee piece on exactly that…Biden sports stylish moustache…

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Thanks. Went looking for it, but I’m guessing the media complex was hiding it from me.

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They already have a Dept of Propaganda. It's called the mainstream press.

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These days, it's probably more accurate to call them the "Clickbait Press" since there really is no mainstream anymore, only a cabal of dominant propaganda spewers propped up and protected by the Left.

That said, Fox News has done a great job of clickbaiting all their articles. "This State Is Banning Abortions" and so forth. Breitbart is actually more journalistic, as is NY Post (also slightly clickbaity).

The NY Times is oh-so sophisticated lunatics. Really, finding the news these days is an exercise in reading many, many sources, eyewitness videos on Youtube, informed reader comments, etc.

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Try the Drudge Report. I find it to be an eclectic news outlet. It has stories from "Man Bites Dog" to hard news from both sides.

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His readership collapsed after he went full anti-Trump. I used to read his front page every day, but haven’t been back in 5 years now.

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Well, I stopped watching the TV news so I have to get my news somewhere. I didn't find him to be anti-Trump. It depended on what news outlet he was showing at the time. I stopped reading anything from The Atlantic, too far left. I filtered anything I thought was too partisan, left or right.

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I thought of Hades.

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Yeah, I saw "gates of hell" comparisons circulating too.

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LOL!!!!!

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I’m of the mind to stand courageously and without fear. I am proud to be MAGA. I desperately want America to be great(in every sense of the word) but you can make a case for running silent. The left is clearly fascist with their powerful central Government entwined with large corporations, their control(mostly) of the media. The left is a threat to our country.

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Let’s everyone get over Trump and move on. This loyalty is going to cost the Republicans BIGLEY. So here we are with a president who, really is so damn hapless, giving this kind of speech. And the Democrats are gaining because of this madness. I am so pissed.

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I’m not really a Trump fan. Voted for him because I KNOW Clinton is a fraud and crook but not really on the Trump bandwagon.

Now, after watching the last six years? Still not on the Trump bandwagon but will vote for him over anyone associated with the Democrats.

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DeSantis, ‘24!

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I’d go for that!

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Ditto - Marie !

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So you would rather vote for a GOP swamp creature? Good luck with that.

That Trump is so continually maligned and persecuted by both the Donkeys and the Rhinos is proof he is indeed an existential threat to the Administrative State they have worked so hard to construct over the past century or so. He is the last, best hope we have in maintaining what little of America remains. We won't survive much longer on this path we're on.

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There’s alway Liz:-)

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The Republicans are definitely M.I.A. The question is: Is political America (either or other) capable of producing sound leadership and direction or is the system in its entirety so compromised by the WEF/CCP juggernaut " only its collapse will offer the people an opportunity for change.

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Yeah, they do look poised to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I think the turtle would rather stay minority leader than actually have to do something.

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Most definitely the latter.

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Good people know not to run for office; their families, their livelihoods, their friends all will be destroyed by the Mob.

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Left, Democrats, Big Tech, Main Stream Media they all a threat never mind to our democracy, they are a threat to just the regular human being. They managed in 21/2 years to render us redundant. They closed our mom and pop stores they have destroyed our communities they have destroyed our children. Where to from here?

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I've never been a huge fan, but I will vote against democrats in every election.

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The Leftists are a threat to the WORLD.

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But only one party rejected and tried to overturn a democratic election.

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How odd...I clearly remember Democrats saying they intended to impeach Trump *months* before he actually became President. I remember Democrats' attempts to get electors to change their votes. And the "Illegitimate President" and "Not my President" choruses went on for *years.*

I didn't even vote for Trump in 2016, but the Democrats' behavior after his election convinced me that they'd all gone stark raving mad. And now that it has turned out that the first impeachment was based on false premises that rival Watergate in their level of corrupt dealings going right up to President Obama, I have zero trust in any Democrat, nor in the government agencies they have infiltrated with their unethical partisans.

Jan6 was a single day of rioting. Indeed, a few *hours* of rioting. It should not have happened. But after four years of outrages committed by Democrats, it's not surprising there were Trump fans who were upset enough to riot.

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I was a Dem (moderate) and never voted for Trump (did not hate him, though). After watching how the Dems acted from 2017-2021, now every vote is to stop the left.

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Yes. We have to have a coalition together to push back the current crop of the Democrats. We need them, though. Left and Right actually need one another for a functioning republic like ours to remain in balance. Right now, the monstrosity of the Leftist administrative state has GOT to be dismantled piece by piece.

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The way to make this happen is to severely punish the Democrats at the polls, but this can’t happen as long as the Republican party is dominated by angry, scary zealots who only understand liberty when it supports their prejudices. I am a Democrat and I vote against leftists to push them away from the levers of power. I am doing my part. If you’re a Republican, do yours.

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I did not vote in 2016, because I found both candidates repulsive. I did vote for Trump in 2020. While I still found him the same repulsive human being, I saw what the Democrats were capable of and found him to be the lesser of two evils. He should step back and allow the GOP to spread the wings and put younger people with fresh ideas at the helm. Right now, Republicans are in a total disarray, carry no positive message, and present no realistic clearly articulated program. Democrats are much better organized and united in their fight for power. True, they have media and Big Tech at their disposal, so it is easier. I just wish moderates in both parties could wake up and realize the danger. Yesterday's speech was very disturbing.

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The Dems have always been more of a united front, but that smacks of lock step thought. And that lock step thought has moved farther and farther left and, frankly, crazy...cuckoo...nutty and dangerous. If you don't fall in line, you are absolutely maligned.

The problem with the GOP is, for example, McConnell, the age old Republican, who put up with Trump but was glad when he was gone so he could be the president in absentia. So either you were a never Trumper, an R who played the middle while Trump as POTUS but quietly seethed, or you saw the policies as great for America (despite Trump's personal inclinations/tweets. So you have a very divided GOP with a message that either mimics "MAGA" or tries to adopt MAGA without being identified as Trumpians. The "MAGA" agenda worked very, very well for four years.

I was chatting with a guy who did some boring for our fiber optics connections. I have no idea of his politics. He synthesized it this way, "I don't know what happened in the last two years. Everything was great before." THAT is what the GOP should be running on all day every day.

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"Organized"? Democrats? You must be joking.

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Very well stated, Celia. Benny Thompson, who chairs the Jan. 6 Show Trial, voted in January 2005 not to certify Ohio's vote for GW Bush, requiring the House to caucus before certifying the 2004 election results. In other words, he did exactly what Trump wanted Republicans to do Jan. 6, 2021, which Thompson now denounces as an attack on the Constitution.

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It's only "wrong" when Trump does it.

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Yes they were ready to riot. But who corralled them to the lawn to then break into the Congress? Who removed selective barricades and then herded them from the scaffolding with a megaphone? Who is Ray Epps? If you think the MAGA crowd is outraged now, when they find the answers to those questions I would not want to be an FBI agent.

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The events of January 6 could have been stopped immediately had the Democrats wanted them to be shut down.

Instead, Pelosi dared/encouraged the mob to enter the Capitol by refusing to call out for additional security; in-part to allow the events to occur that have created the talking point that continues to this day. The presence of a couple of hundred DC Police, active military, or National Guardsmen in front of the Capitol would have stopped the "angry rioters" in their tracks. The Democrats knew up-front that stopping the crowd wouldn't have the same long term staying power in the media as the "insurrectionists" narrative has achieved.

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But I think 1/6 is now coming to an end, the Democrats and the media have flogged it to death. It’s done, the problem going forward now is how to stop President Trump. The tactics to do that are also slipping away. The midterms are upon us. We have had the 1/6 commission, the raid on Mar a largo and now to top everything the most bizarre speech to come out of Brandon’s mouth in nearly 2 years. What next? There are 2 more years to go and President Trump has even started yet, what else can these lunatics think of ......

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YES. GIRL.

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And don't forget that, before he was even inaugurated, many Dems were claiming he could be denied office because he was mentally unfit. That diagnosis came from a few leftist psychologists who'd watched him on TV. Oh, the agenda was clear from the start, but I don't think many people knew just how crazy Trump made them. It just goes on and on.

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I was a never trumper. Yes, I was horrified by Jan6 when it happened. But I was also horrified at the months of protests in cities that caused so much destruction. Yet we were only allowed to state that those were peaceful protests and ignore any violence that broke out. Downtown areas in most cities have been mostly destroyed in the last few years, restaurants and small businesses fleeing shuttering. The ones still open having boarded windows. Jan 6 lasted 1 day not going on 2 years

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Portland was a once beautiful city. I'll never visit that hell hole until major change occurs. LA, hell no! Same with Chicago and I used to live in the burbs. I was just in NYC in June and every corner there was ganja wafting thought the air, day and night and riding the subway was frightening. Kenosha WI where my son attends college has never come back and it was a working class city to begin with. It's an eFen disgrace.

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It’s almost as if the Left is suffering from amnesia but I am not surprised. Look I still think Trump is an ass much of the time but I did support his policies. I never saw an elected president treated with such ugliness and nonsense as he faced and as you said it started well before he took office.

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There is definitely something worrying the mob if they are preparing to hunt down 74 million MAGA supporters. One would think with the pressing issues we have at the moment, that Brandon would be making speeches to all concerned Americans about the state of our country, not trying deliberately to destroy America this is a crazy time we are in.

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Celia bcasey another TDS person.

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Let’s be clear here: no “party” tried to overcome an election. The loser, some members of Congress and a few hundred misguided people allowed their passions to overcome their sensibilities. And as we all know now, there was reason to be skeptical of various states’ procedures. Given where we are now, with a known plagiarist feathering his family’s nest from the Oval, driving our education system, our children, our military and our economy into a ditch, one can at least empathize with those passions while rejecting the actions that went with them.

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Well said, as always.

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Which election are you referring to, 2016 or 2020?

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Coming on the heels of the riots and rampage of 2020, encouraged and excused by democrats, the events at the Capitol were amateurish.

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But not really though. While the "riots and rampage" of 2020 were certainty horrible none of them came close to over turning 200 years of peaceful democratic transfer of power. Other people doing wrong is not a green light for you to do wrong.

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But people died and were injured. Government buildings were torched. Minneapolis was destroyed. Unless your side acknowledges all that was unacceptable, people must be tried and punished, then no one on my side can take seriously your criticism of Jan6, which at the end of the day produced nothing. Democracy wasn’t threated. This is hyperbole. A woman was murdered by a cop and he was let off. But rioters have been sent to prison for 10 yrs.

If you can’t see the disproportion in all this, you are willfully blind.

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why does everything have to be "my" side or "your side". Maybe both the summer 2020 riots and the attempted overturning of the election were both horrible. But call me crazy for being more alarmed that one party fought a peaceful transfer of power that has been going on since 1789.

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The January riot did not "come close" to anything. The electors had already voted back in December. Unlike some countries, merely forcing their way into the Capitol building did not give the rioters any power over our government. Those who think that possession of the Capitol translates into "taking over the government" need some remedial civics lessons.

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Yeah, if a bunch of rag tags can “take over the government” unarmed, we are in deeper doo-doo than even I imagine.

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So I guess Trump's calling for that rally on the exact date of Jan 6 was a *coincidence?*

Gimme a break, Celia.

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Good observation. The electors had already spoken.

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The insurrectionist did delay the certification of the electoral college by Congress!

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If the Democrat coup (an actual coup where the entire permanent government conspires) to overthrow the 2016 election had been successful, which it almost was, it would have been “peaceful”.

Being triggered by Viking Helmet Guy breaking windows is the realm of the unintelligent.

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Why is/are the left so afraid to have Any opposing views on their Jan 6th committee. Where is my main man Epps? ...faceless .

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Also the Capitol “riot” did not come close to overturning 200 years of peaceful democratic transfer of power. Unless you think a guy in a stupid headdress is an actual threat instead of a dumbass.

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I agree with you but if you think a 5 ft nothing woman that LARPed her way into getting shot and the Bison Shaman came anywhere close to overturning anything but an omelette we need to have a long conversation.

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That's what's so scary. That Trump thought they'd do any *good?* He was unhinged, by Your own words.

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We have a difference of opinion. I am convinced that there was a tremendous amount of chicanery surrounding “the election”. I think it was perfectly legitimate to protest”peacefully “ a stolen election. Anyone that perpetrated violence on that day should be prosecuted(including state actors). We should all be concerned with election integrity. Every LEGAL vote should be counted.

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The problem is you still have the sickness. There is zero evidence of anything being wrong with the election (please dont start linking or spitting out what you think is evidence).

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Oh? But people have confessed to voter fraud and been convicted. I would call that “some evidence”

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Two things:

Once the electors were certified, the election was *OVER.*

These convicted people? You got any links? And the number of fraudulent votes that these people were convicted on? How many each?

I'll go so far as to admit that WI looked pretty sketchy, but I haven't really investigated it thoroughly. I took Barr's words as fact ,that as of Jan 6, there was ZERO, zip, zilch, NADA. That's just me.

Again, the votes were certified mid-December. What was all that which went on after that, anyway? What purpose?

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Sounds like you don’t want a dialogue, which is fine. I doubt either of us will change. I wish you well.

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If someone asked you to have a "dialogue" about how 9/11 was an inside job would that be a serious conversation? Consider for a second how badly duped you would be right now if you were wrong. Just consider it.

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There’s no evidence of 2016 fraud and you lot won’t give up the “resistance” nonsense either. It’s just what true believers do...act irrationally and do stupid stuff in the name of their side. Wear pink hats. Escalate things over and over. Impeach people several times for dumb stuff. Ignore the flaws of their own side. I’d say there is def a sickness.

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Oh this is rich. "There is no evidence and don't show me any because I will deny it."

The fact that the Democratic Party works directly with Big Media to control public narratives and censor people is by itself a fundamental overhaul of democracy.

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There is no evidence of what is usually called "vote fraud" (people voting twice, stuffing of ballot boxes, and the like) in sufficient quantity to have swung the election. There is however, the fact that a news story which could easily have swung the election to Trump had it been widely disseminated and seen as true -- the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop, showing corrupt dealings in Ukraine and China with 10% to "the big guy" -- was censored by tech giants at the behest of the FBI, who lied and said that it was "Russian disinformation", and the fact that many states conducted their elections in manners which violated the plain meaning of the statutes governing elections passed by their legislatures due to "emergency" decrees from a state court or a secretary of state's office, the provision of the U.S. Constitution that only the legislatures of the several states may specify how electors are to be selected notwithstanding.

When partisan passions cool, historians will put an asterisk on the 2020 result the same way 1876 gets one and some put one on 1960 (cf. Cook County, IL, vote fraud in the conventional sense).

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Yes there is. Go to Heritage.org/voterfraud

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"Oh, but you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,

bury the rag deep in your face, now is the time for your tears."

The point of the exercise, is to leave the victim confused, unmoored from reality, twisting in emotional space, not knowing what to believe. It creates high levels of fear, anxiety and a sense of powerlessness. It destroys the sense of personal agency and reduces the individual to childlike dependency on the perpetrator. Any rational protest by the victim is met with accusation ("..you fascist prick..") threats of abandonment, violence and hysteria. It is the classic tactic of malignant narcissism.

Look past the image and attempt at rationalization. Experience the energy. The body doesn't lie. Know the truth. Heal.

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Or maybe it was one party that made that election undemocratic to begin with. Zuck dollars, absentee voting. 2000 Mules, suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop......

Need I go on?

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Yes but the transfer wasn’t peaceful so we need communism.

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Nope but you might have to for bcasey, this person has no clue what went on. I would suggest it reads Rigged but then it’s like farting against thunder it wouldn’t understand the book.

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So you were also around for the Gore lawsuits? Yeah the dems tried like hell to overturn an election. Was eerily infuriating wasn’t it?

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And when the Supreme court lawfully ruled against Gore what did he do? Please finish your own thought.

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Been a while but I remember protests and dems on TV screaming “illegitimate president!” and “election fraud!” and “corrupt Supreme Court!”

Wow, now that I think about it, it was a lot like the weeks after the 2016 election.

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I knew people in grad school who never actually accepted that Gore had lost. And yet Bush Derangement Syndrome, bizarre as it was at the time, was mild compared to TDS.

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Marie...ba ba ba Bingo. thanks

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So it actually got to the Supreme Court? Weird. It’s almost like…….

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The Democrats have done that in virtually every election they’ve lost this century.

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JD...oh yes...they must use the Hymen Method for cover.

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Oh jeez my bad I fell for it too. This account bcasey004 is trolling.

I don’t mean that in the way that people often mean ‘trolling’ where they call anything they disagree with “trolling”.

I mean actual trolling. Just read their other comments. It is a troll account.

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Yeah I have probably fallen for it to

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Wait a minute. Participation is not “trolling” There are a lot of passionate right-wing people in this section, but they don’t own it. Hard as it may be for you to imagine, people can express contrary opinions regularly just because they want to, without being organized to disturb the peace by doing so. Frankly, having a better variety of opinions in this comment section could only improve it. Right now, it’s out of whack.

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Google "Reichstag fire" and get back to us.

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Pretty familiar with it. But remember the GOP already gave up on 1/6 being a liberal inside job. I believe the current excuse is "just a tourist visit" . Try to keep up with the party line.

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The Reichstag Fire was a violent attack on a government building by fringe actors which…….ADOLF HITLER………used to smear his political opponents and justify seizing power. So yeah.

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Ignore bcasey004.

A DNC bot.

Nothing more.

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Help is available for what you have. The dems spent 2017-2021 trying to overthrow Nov 2016.

Just ask Hillary

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After the stage was set by hanging chads and trying keep recounting Florida until Al Gore won until the SCOTUS pulled the plug on that charade, after which we had the "selected not elected" smear for W's whole presidency, and the whole "Russian collusion" attempt to delegitimize Trump's election, impeachment of specious charges of corrupt dealings with Ukraine (was that a misdirect, knowing Hunter B's involvement with Burisima would eventuall come out?), and Stacie Abrams modeling Trump's "stolen election" narrative at the state level, trying to overturn democratic election seems to be a bipartisan pastime.

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Believe it or not but I worked with a guy named Chad at the time. Poor guy!

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Sep 3, 2022·edited Sep 3, 2022

My parish priest at the time was Fr. Chad Hatfield. He took the name when he converted from Anglicanism to Holy Orthodoxy in 1994, following St. John Maximovitch's advice that we Orthodox start venerating the saints the West had before the schism and choosing St. Chad because the English saint had had trouble with bishops even as the now Fr. Chad did when he was an Anglican.

Two more amusing facts: St. Chad is the patron saint of elections. And calling the little bits of cardboard punched out of punch cards "chads" is due to a mistake. A man named Chadless invented a keypunch machine that did not produce them (I'm not quite sure how it worked), and people back-constructed the name, by assuming the Chadless key-punch, was the chadless key-punch, so the little bits of cardboard must be called "chads".

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That's amazing! Who knew? I'm a cradle Catholic and never heard of St. Chad! I had to look him up. To extend your point, he's the patron saint of "disputed elections". That's so hilarious! Thanks for the share....made my night.

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Not quite. It's unfair to judge as "equally bad" those who, after being the victims of an injustice repeatedly over time, decide to try to play by the new rules.

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Sep 2, 2022·edited Sep 3, 2022

If you really believe that these rioters could have overturned the election, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. If our form of government was on the precipice due to the breach of the Capitol, why after 18 months, and control of the legislative branch, have the Democrats not reformed or repealed the Electoral Count Act of 1887 that has the Vice President certify the votes? Lastly, if MAGA individuals are so dangerous to our country, why have the DCCC and other Democratic PAC's spent over $40 million in advertising to help certain MAGA candidates, so that their candidate will hopefully have an easier general election?

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bcasey004, your turn! I dare you try to refute AdamNJ!

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Are you talking about the 2000 election?

Surely you are referring to how the Democrats have tried to overthrow or overturn every Republican presidential victory in my life, right?

You're referring to the three years of mainstream lies sold as "bombshell revelations on Russia", whose entirely purpose was to undermine the USA government because Democrats weren't in control?

You're in total denial, bcasey

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"democratic election" is in the eye of the beholder. Unless, of course, you are Al Gore or Hillary Clinton or Stacey Abrams.

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We can actually stuff the ballot dumpsters with 20 million extra ballots and win in 2024 and this person will be fine with it as long as there’s a peaceful ceremony on TV.

You’re dealing with a child. You have to understand the sophistication level of your fellow citizens.

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Rigged for silent running, myself. Guerilla warfare rules in force: do not comply, don't let your left hand know what you're right hand is doing. Throw enough sand in the gears, and the Great Reset will grind to a halt.

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Massive non-compliance.

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In golfing terms, the left is hitting a hook. The boxing analogy is much more ominous: watch for the left hook.

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Right-handed, guilty as charged. During my not-so-great golfing days, I used to line up 45 degrees to the left in order to hit the ball 45 degrees to the right. For me (and those I golfed with) golf was a pleasant stroll on a nice day interrupted by the need to strike the ball occasionally. We always tried to follow proper golfing etiquette so as not to be too much of an impediment to other golfers, including letting others play through from time to time and we played at times when there wasn't very many others on the course. We also used a "free kick" rule, a ball may be kicked away from any tree that impeded a proper golf swing, the logic being that the tree hadn't been there before, but had intentionally and unfairly positioned itself to impede a proper swing. Arguments over what (and what did not) constitute a "gimme" on the green - well, there weren't any. An official "gimmee" was only extended to another when his ball was within 15 nanometers of the cup, as that seemed commensurate with our golfing capabilities.

Probably more than you asked for, but... ain't golfing fun?

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When everything else shuts down, you can always sit at your kitchen table and tell jokes about Biden or whoever comes to power next. Sort of like what the Soviet people had done for 70 years.

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It’s pretty bad for sure.

I for one think Biden’s rhetoric is way over the line.

The Saul Alinsky tactics will get more brazen as we get close to the Nov election.

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The funny part is that we were chased out of Afghanistan by--wait for it--

People with rifles.

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Well not funny ha ha but funny ironic.

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He is losing his mind. He really is.

I think he is terrified of what a republican congress will turn up in investigations.

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If you were the "Big Guy" and implicated by your own son, wouldn't you be afraid of what even a half-assed, semi-competent investigation would reveal????

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So is the FBI, which is why they raided Mar-A-Lago. No doubt Trump declassified FBI stuff that they went looking for.

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Wrung...indeed, they are shaking

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Sounds kind of like fascism?

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"Paranoia strikes deep--into your life it will creep...starts when your always afraid--step out of line the man comes--and takes you away--stop children what's that sound--everybody look what's going down."

84,000 armed I.R.S./BigTech/surveillance state agents matching your social media posts with your bank account and personal finances will need to interview your employer and neighbors while raiding your wife's panty drawer. Even if you beat the charges you'll go broke in lawyers fee's taking the ride. (Hot stock tip: Krupp Steel/slave labor/ the prison industrial complex.)

Nah--just kidding. LOL

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Hot stock tip: Don't steal classified material.

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The only way to deal with that wannabe Stasi and the clownish dwarf and blow dried buffoon who lead them is to stare them down and dare them to ignite the spark that will free America.

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Posted like a true Patriot Bruce, your post is inspirational!

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rob, your warmongering, and Bari, Suzy Weiss, and Nellie Bowles should condemn it; in fact, everyone who loves America should condemn this kind of speech; Biden didn’t say: “…he has f-15’s for domestic opponents …” Here’s what he actually said: “…if you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons, the point is that there has always been the ability to limit-rationally limit the type of weapon that can be owned, and who can own it.” Biden isn’t using threatening speech, but the Trump Maga’s like you, sure as hell are. If anyone wants to purge America, it’s the Magas. Not condemning this kind of rhetoric is giving approval for the destruction of America! Benjamin Franklin’s words were prophetic when he was asked, what kind of government have you given us? His reply: “A democracy, if you can keep it.”

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Seriously? The president claims( while flanked by soldiers ) there is a massive domestic threat from his chief political foe and he has the military ability to crush it, and you think I am the warmonger ?

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And what frightens Biden the most is that he knows deep down, that despite the treachery of the toadies who surround him, the rank and file in the military would never turn their weapons on their fellow Americans. Biden would find himself like the detested Ceausescu - after ordering his tanks to fire on civilians, their turrets slowly turned on him. And just like Biden, the detested dictator fled - only to be later captured to face justice.

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Ceausescu and his wife were walking to a helicopter and both were shot buy his own bodyguards.

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Maybe he'll turn the military on people and tear gas them so he can take a photo op by a church?

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that never actually happened, you do know that right?

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rob, you think Pres. Biden is threatening to use the military and civilians, like Trump did in June 2020. But Donald Trump's ideologue are blind to hypocrisy!

“President Donald Trump on Monday declared himself the “president of law and order” and said he would mobilize every available federal force both “civilian and military” as he vowed to put an immediate end to violent protests that have swept the nation for days.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/01/trump-slams-governors-as-weak-crackdown-on-protests-294023

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A new tool appears. Also without a name.

Nothing changes.

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rob, Donald Trump’s follower’s behavior on January 6 clearly indicates they could be a threat to our Republic! Biden didn’t say: “…massive domestic threat….” He said: “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic.” you’re pissed off because he called you out. You infer that Biden will use the military to crush the MAGAs, but this is what really upset you: (Biden’s words) “We hear — you’ve heard it, more and more talk about violence as an acceptable political tool in this country. It’s not. It can never be an acceptable tool. So, I want to say this plain and simple: There is no place for political violence in America, period, none, ever.” You said: “…the President said he has f-15s for domestic opponents….” And when this happens, we all know that the MAGAs will lay down their arms and surrender! You’re amongst those on social media like Truth Social predicting imminent civil war. You’re trying to stir the blood of your fellow nationalist; you irrationally think it’s time to do what Thomas Jefferson said: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. You and your ilk, who think they are Minuteman, are the ones, in reality, threatening the Republic.

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"A hit dog will holler."

Funny thing is, Trump will abandon their dumbasses just like he did the Jan. 6th attackers.

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Delusional

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Good thing Trump never gave a speech flanked by soldiers, amirite?

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rob, somewhere in your thought process, you believe your Neo, who took the red pill from Morpheus, but you must be colorblind because it’s apparent you took the blue pill and followed the white rabbit down the hole of paranoia and irrationality. Having a rational conversation with you is an impossibility and an act of futility!

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what did I say that isn't true?

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Just me waxes poetic bullshit....like incessantly!

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The quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin (in response to the question: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?” was actually “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

There's a difference.

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Yeah the conflation of “democracy” and “republic” drives me a little batty.

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Maria, apparently you need a civics lesson.

“The United States is both a democracy and a republic. Democracies and republics are both forms of government in which supreme power resides in the citizens. The word republic refers specifically to a government in which those citizens elect representatives who govern according to the law. The word democracy can refer to this same kind of representational government, or it can refer instead to what is also called a direct democracy, in which the citizens themselves participate in the act of governing directly.”

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

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So odd that they've, in the last few years, started using the word "Republic" in describing America - which has NEVER been common vernacular...until MAGAs

Why? It's equated with the Roman Empire...which had Ceasars, etc. They yearn for autocratic rule.

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Sorry comprof. Wrong again. The Roman Republic preceded the Roman Empire. Caesars (learn to spell somtime too) were after the Republic. You are an uneducated buffoon.

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Comprof, Here’s a quote from the Heritage Foundation: “America is a republic and not a pure democracy. The contemporary efforts to weaken our republican customs and institutions in the name of greater equality thus run against the efforts by America’s Founders to defend our country from the potential excesses of democratic majorities.”

America was around 87% white when the Heritage foundation came into existence in 1973. White folk, on a percentage basis, has declined by 26%. This means white people will soon no longer be the majority, merely a plurality. I think the reason the word republic has gained such currency is self-apparent, don’t you?

https://www.heritage.org/american-founders/report/america-republic-not-democracy

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We should just let MAGA rule. Letting people vote is overrated. Real American patriots know this.

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Because accurately quoting is so fascist! 🙄

You may actually be a communications professor with that level of integrity.

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Also it's not "Communications" - it is "Communication"

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Yes, I agree. Can you send me the quote where Biden called all Republicans fascists? I told my friend that happened, now he is demanding proof. Can you help me out?

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I know. That's why we should worship Trump and let him lead us.

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