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Dec 15, 2023·edited Dec 15, 2023

Not many places to deliver news these days, only opinions, including TFP. Interesting how nowhere in this opinion piece there was even a single mention of Palestinians. It may help some sleep better by thinking that Israel in order to defend itself has killed 18000! Hamas terrorists but it doesn't change the reality that most of those who make that number are innocent babies, women and elderly civilians. Spin is the name of the game but doesn't change reality.

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Then there is the world with its new rising star Hamas. I miss the days when Israelis were marching in the streets before 10/7 and inspired us all about what democracy is. These are people we should look up to, they are almost like the last frontier before the world goes completely insane. Is anyone listening?

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Anyone who thinks Trump is being persecuted must also believe Hamas are the victims in this war. Great article. Stupid comments

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I think for most of the 20th century, there was a tacit bifurcation between foreign policy and domestic policy. I now believe that American foreign policy has long been majorly exploitative. But at home, there were unspoken limits. Those limits greatly weakened during Clinton, somewhat more after 9/11, and there was rapid deterioration during the Obama years and ever since. I think it is too far gone.

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This guy must be, in fact has GOT to be, Nikki Haley's speechwriter.

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The problem that needs to be addressed is not individuals, but the systems. The more corrupt the systems become, the more down the d5ain our ocuntr5yn goes. The Dems have unleashed the concept of the "moral" end, as the powerful define moral, justifies any evil means. And as happens as ad nauseam, when it appears their own principles and tactics will be used against them, the scream like a banshee on it's death bed. How do you stop the bully, biden? By smacking them in the nose until they can't get up and no one wants to follow in their footsteps. We've been sucked into the past where might makes right. Play the game or perish.

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So here we go again. Presumably a person who can see clearly what is happening but can’t bring himself to support republicans. How idiotic. You better stop being so stupid or there will be no course correction. Sam below has it right. Wake uo especially if you are Jewish. And vote against this crap.

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WOW! I did not think it was possible to fit that much nonsense in one essay . Martin Gurri is possibly the all- time honors graduate of the Israeli school of Hasbara. Indeed a master of sophistry .

Of course, it makes sense that he was an analyst at the CIA the ultimate specialists in deceit, trickery, disinformation, and Orwellian Newspeak. he starts off his piece by listing all the dastardly deeds that Hamas was said to have done

Most of which were debunked. There were no rapes. There were no babies burned in an oven nobody was tortured and most of the civilian deaths -as new information and data has come to light- we’re largely caused by the Israeli Air Force, striking the area indiscriminately killing Hamas resistance fighters as well as Israelis

There is undeniable truth, proof that Israel also strafed their own army base. Killing their own soldiers. They were conforming to the IDF policy called the Hannibal strategy. (You can Google it) where basically says it’s better to kill your own people and to have them become a liabilityIf they are taken hostage.

Then he takes liberty with reality by calling the protesters of the Israeli massacre that has been ongoing for over 40 days as supporters of Hamas. The millions of people that showed up because of the unspeakable heinous actions of Israel against the people of Gaza

Official numbers to date are over 13,000 civilians and approximately 6000 children have been murdered by Israel. Its bombing up hospitals, schools, churches, masks, and civilians fleeing from north to south can be characterized as pure evil. The cutting off of water, Internet, food, medical supplies fuel is considered war crimes as many organizations have deemed it to be the United Nations Amnesty International,American Friends, Human Rights Watch , B’Tselem, JVP , If Not Now Red Cross , Save the Children Doctors Without Borders as well all those who have eyes and a brain. Mr Gurri the alchemist has managed to turn the millions of peaceful protesters against the continued genocide(look it up it’s what Israel is perpetrating )into supporters of terrorism. a majority of the world is in shock, and awe by Israel’s relentless cruelty.

Yet he insists on having you believe that what you see is false. That is an amazing feat, especially in this age of communication.

Unlike other historical crimes, such as the Holocaust, Cambodian killing fields Mao Tse Tungs cultural revolution ,the Armenian genocide etal. This particular event is being”televised”

you have people like Mr. Gurrii disingenuously spewing alternative facts and asking you to believe him. Yes you can believe him or you can believe your own eyes -you pick .

Sent from my brain

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WOW! I did not think it was possible to fit that much nonsense in one essay . Martin Gurri is possibly the all- time honors graduate of the Israeli school of Hasbara. Indeed a master of sophistry .

Of course, it makes sense that he was an analyst at the CIA the ultimate specialists in deceit, trickery, disinformation, and Orwellian Newspeak. he starts off his piece by listing all the dastardly deeds that Hamas was said to have done

Most of which were debunked. There were no rapes. There were no babies burned in an oven nobody was tortured and most of the civilian deaths -as new information and data has come to light- we’re largely caused by the Israeli Air Force, striking the area indiscriminately killing Hamas resistance fighters as well as Israelis

There is undeniable truth, proof that Israel also strafed their own army base. Killing their own soldiers. They were conforming to the IDF policy called the Hannibal strategy. (You can Google it) where basically says it’s better to kill your own people and to have them become a liabilityIf they are taken hostage.

Then he takes liberty with reality by calling the protesters of the Israeli massacre that has been ongoing for over 40 days as supporters of Hamas. The millions of people that showed up because of the unspeakable heinous actions of Israel against the people of Gaza

Official numbers to date are over 13,000 civilians and approximately 6000 children have been murdered by Israel. Its bombing up hospitals, schools, churches, masks, and civilians fleeing from north to south can be characterized as pure evil. The cutting off of water, Internet, food, medical supplies fuel is considered war crimes as many organizations have deemed it to be the United Nations Amnesty International,American Friends, Human Rights Watch , B’Tselem, JVP , If Not Now Red Cross , Save the Children Doctors Without Borders as well all those who have eyes and a brain. Mr Gurri the alchemist has managed to turn the millions of peaceful protesters against the continued genocide(look it up it’s what Israel is perpetrating )into supporters of terrorism. a majority of the world is in shock, and awe by Israel’s relentless cruelty.

Yet he insists on having you believe that what you see is false. That is an amazing feat, especially in this age of communication.

Unlike other historical crimes, such as the Holocaust, Cambodian killing fields Mao Tse Tungs cultural revolution ,the Armenian genocide etal. This particular event is being”televised”

you have people like Mr. Gurrii disingenuously spewing alternative facts and asking you to believe him. Yes you can believe him or you can believe your own eyes -you pick .

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WOW! I did not think it was possible to fit that much nonsense in one essay . Martin Gurri is possibly the all- time honors graduate of the Israeli school of Hasbara. Indeed a master of sophistry .

Of course, it makes sense that he was an analyst at the CIA the ultimate specialists in deceit, trickery, disinformation, and Orwellian Newspeak. he starts off his piece by listing all the dastardly deeds that Hamas was said to have done

Most of which were debunked. There were no rapes. There were no babies burned in an oven nobody was tortured and most of the civilian deaths -as new information and data has come to light- we’re largely caused by the Israeli Air Force, striking the area indiscriminately killing Hamas resistance fighters as well as Israelis

There is undeniable truth, proof that Israel also strafed their own army base. Killing their own soldiers. They were conforming to the IDF policy called the Hannibal strategy. (You can Google it) where basically says it’s better to kill your own people and to have them become a liabilityIf they are taken hostage.

Then he takes liberty with reality by calling the protesters of the Israeli massacre that has been ongoing for over 40 days as supporters of Hamas. The millions of people that showed up because of the unspeakable heinous actions of Israel against the people of Gaza

Official numbers to date are over 13,000 civilians and approximately 6000 children have been murdered by Israel. Its bombing up hospitals, schools, churches, masks, and civilians fleeing from north to south can be characterized as pure evil. The cutting off of water, Internet, food, medical supplies fuel is considered war crimes as many organizations have deemed it to be the United Nations Amnesty International,American Friends, Human Rights Watch , B’Tselem, JVP , If Not Now Red Cross , Save the Children Doctors Without Borders as well all those who have eyes and a brain. Mr Gurri the alchemist has managed to turn the millions of peaceful protesters against the continued genocide(look it up it’s what Israel is perpetrating )into supporters of terrorism. a majority of the world is in shock, and awe by Israel’s relentless cruelty.

Yet he insists on having you believe that what you see is false. That is an amazing feat, especially in this age of communication.

Unlike other historical crimes, such as the Holocaust, Cambodian killing fields Mao Tse Tungs cultural revolution ,the Armenian genocide etal. This particular event is being”televised”

you have people like Mr. Gurrii disingenuously spewing alternative facts and asking you to believe him. Yes you can believe him or you can believe your own eyes -you pick .

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WOW! I did not think it was possible to fit that much nonsense in one essay . Martin Gurri is possibly the all- time honors graduate of the Israeli school of Hasbara. Indeed a master of sophistry .

Of course, it makes sense that he was an analyst at the CIA the ultimate specialists in deceit, trickery, disinformation, and Orwellian Newspeak. he starts off his piece by listing all the dastardly deeds that Hamas was said to have done

Most of which were debunked. There were no rapes. There were no babies burned in an oven nobody was tortured and most of the civilian deaths -as new information and data has come to light- we’re largely caused by the Israeli Air Force, striking the area indiscriminately killing Hamas resistance fighters as well as Israelis

There is undeniable truth, proof that Israel also strafed their own army base. Killing their own soldiers. They were conforming to the IDF policy called the Hannibal strategy. (You can Google it) where basically says it’s better to kill your own people and to have them become a liabilityIf they are taken hostage.

Then he takes liberty with reality by calling the protesters of the Israeli massacre that has been ongoing for over 40 days as supporters of Hamas. The millions of people that showed up because of the unspeakable heinous actions of Israel against the people of Gaza

Official numbers to date are over 13,000 civilians and approximately 6000 children have been murdered by Israel. Its bombing up hospitals, schools, churches, masks, and civilians fleeing from north to south can be characterized as pure evil. The cutting off of water, Internet, food, medical supplies fuel is considered war crimes as many organizations have deemed it to be the United Nations Amnesty International,American Friends, Human Rights Watch , B’Tselem, JVP , If Not Now Red Cross , Save the Children Doctors Without Borders as well all those who have eyes and a brain. Mr Gurri the alchemist has managed to turn the millions of peaceful protesters against the continued genocide(look it up it’s what Israel is perpetrating )into supporters of terrorism. a majority of the world is in shock, and awe by Israel’s relentless cruelty.

Yet he insists on having you believe that what you see is false. That is an amazing feat, especially in this age of communication.

Unlike other historical crimes, such as the Holocaust, Cambodian killing fields Mao Tse Tungs cultural revolution ,the Armenian genocide etal. This particular event is being”televised”

you have people like Mr. Gurrii disingenuously spewing alternative facts and asking you to believe him. Yes you can believe him or you can believe your own eyes -you pick .

Sent from my brain

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I appreciate the response and will continue to remain engaged in this discussion. It is my current opinion that neither the Republican nor the Democratic Party have anything to be proud of and I am leaning (may be futile) toward a third party candidate

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WOW! I did not think it was possible to fit that much nonsense in one essay . Martin Gurri is possibly the all- time honors graduate of the Israeli school of Hasbara. Indeed a master of sophistry .

Of course, it makes sense that he was an analyst at the CIA the ultimate specialists in deceit, trickery, disinformation, and Orwellian Newspeak. he starts off his piece by listing all the dastardly deeds that Hamas was said to have done

Most of which were debunked. There were no rapes. There were no babies burned in an oven nobody was tortured and most of the civilian deaths -as new information and data has come to light- we’re largely caused by the Israeli Air Force, striking the area indiscriminately killing Hamas resistance fighters as well as Israelis

There is undeniable truth, proof that Israel also strafed their own army base. Killing their own soldiers. They were conforming to the IDF policy called the Hannibal strategy. (You can Google it) where basically says it’s better to kill your own people and to have them become a liabilityIf they are taken hostage.

Then he takes liberty with reality by calling the protesters of the Israeli massacre that has been ongoing for over 40 days as supporters of Hamas. The millions of people that showed up because of the unspeakable heinous actions of Israel against the people of Gaza

Official numbers to date are over 13,000 civilians and approximately 6000 children have been murdered by Israel. Its bombing up hospitals, schools, churches, masks, and civilians fleeing from north to south can be characterized as pure evil. The cutting off of water, Internet, food, medical supplies fuel is considered war crimes as many organizations have deemed it to be the United Nations Amnesty International,American Friends, Human Rights Watch , B’Tselem, JVP , If Not Now Red Cross , Save the Children Doctors Without Borders as well all those who have eyes and a brain. Mr Gurri the alchemist has managed to turn the millions of peaceful protesters against the continued genocide(look it up it’s what Israel is perpetrating )into supporters of terrorism. a majority of the world is in shock, and awe by Israel’s relentless cruelty.

Yet he insists on having you believe that what you see is false. That is an amazing feat, especially in this age of communication.

Unlike other historical crimes, such as the Holocaust, Cambodian killing fields Mao Tse Tungs cultural revolution ,the Armenian genocide etal. This particular event is being”televised”

you have people like Mr. Gurrii disingenuously spewing alternative facts and asking you to believe him. Yes you can believe him or you can believe your own eyes -you pick .

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How many times does Every. Single. Article on the Oct 7th attack have to lead with the excruciating details involving the torment of infants? Could we just assume that WE KNOW what happened and don't need to go through the horror of it every time someone wants to write a think piece?

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Because it's all about the spin. Go into graphic detail of the atrocities committed by one side to show them as evil then just casually mention, or not, the greater atrocities committed by the other side as "defending itself" or "just response" or some other bullshit like that to show them as the saviors.

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...into densely populated cities to flush out the Hamas fighters, but using aircraft (and 155mm heavy artillery) is worse than disproportionate, it’s a crime;

2. Worse than the crime, invading Gaza will not work (if you define success as eradicating Hamas) as opposed to satisfying the understandable urge to strike back against the perps). Dubya after 9/11 showed great statesmanship by first, being careful not to vilify all Muslims but also, by using rapiers not blunderbusses: he sent the CIA into Afghanistan -even on horses! - instead of B52s, and overthrew the taliban within 3 months. It’s one of the greatest unsung triumphs of American action, but unfortunately OBL escaped (helped by the perfidious Pakistani secret service) until Obama got him (in another unsung American triumph). What’s the lesson here? Israel needs to play smart, not tough;

3. October 7 didn’t come out of nowhere. Yes, it was a massive intelligence failure but it was worse than that. Netanyahu corrupted Israeli society in his hubris and his frantic efforts to stay out of jail - he and his far-right allies were as responsible for what happened as Hamas was, and the only path to threading towards a lasting and just peace is for Israel to box smart against Hamas and its apologists BUT ALSO to confront the right-wing settlers. No one seems to want to do so. Killing one side, even with rapiers but air bombs, is only half the story. This is why I’m pessimistic. Sadly...

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On Martin’s article: like so many of you, I was outraged by Hamas’s actions on the morning of October 7, and said that Israel can and must respond. What’s happened since then, even the day after, should give everyone pause. Sickenly, the anti-Semites came out from under their stones within a day. The anti-Israel crowd - not necessarily anti-Semitic but definitely suspicious of Israel and Zionism - emerged to call for a ceasefire (not just a pause); and the bien pensants and university students and faculty predictably condemned Israel’s “brutality”. So far, unfortunately, so predictable. But I’m afraid there are still uncomfortable facts for Israel to confront here:

1. Aircraft sending 2000lb bombs on civilians is a war crime. There is no other way to label this. It’s understandable that Israel did not want to send in its soldiers

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