Many of the people who argued vehemently against giving men the benefit of the doubt during MeToo now expect women to shrug off menacing men on the subway.
Saying Republicans are gleefully claiming Neely had it coming is just another version of the tired "Republicans pounce" trope used by NYT. Republicans can never just be right, there is always some kind of malicious intent which can be used as an excuse to dismiss what they're saying regardless of the validity. Republicans are not gleeful about being right about woke hypocrisy. In fact, we are really sick of it!
Can someone please state this author's argument in simple terms? That's not a rhetorical question, I genuinely don't get the argument. The Right is wrong because they point out that they were right all along about Neely posing a very real and serious threat to everyone on that train? That Daniel Penny choked out Neely because the Left took MeToo too far?
“Malicious glee”? You can fuck right off. This was a sad situation but this young man acted bravely in the face of a dangerous situation. He should be celebrated not indicted. The “mental health system” should be indicted.
I have listened to several right leaning commentators and never once did I witness anything approaching "malicious glee". I heard lamenting about the tragedy of such a death and frustration that this type of situation had occurred in the first place. The FP can't seem to get out of its own way at taking every opportunity for the cheap shot against the right.
Kat Rosenfield, meanwhile, has written a brilliant piece for UnHerd that explores our collective hypocrisy over different types of crime, particularly in our post-MeToo era......
"Our collective hypocrisy????" No. The hypocrisy and insanity of the left. Period.
Daniel Perry is a hero. And Neely was not some gentle Michael Jackson mime. He was arrested over 40 times, including sucker punching a 67 year old woman so hard that he broke her orbital bone, nearly killing her. Attacking others and pushing people onto subway tracks and trying to abduct a seven year old girl. New Yorkers are forced to endure violent, foul and highly dangerous vagrants every day. When someone actually reacts - as any sane person would do - the progressive left trots out their paid, racist demonstrators and the odious, rotund little Soros prosecutor charges him with manslaughter. This is lunacy. This is bizarro world. This is a society devolving into chaos and madness. I'd love for a leftist to tell me that Penny is a criminal. I'm so sick of this I might reprise a full "Neely" on them. The defense fund for Mr. Penny is well over $2 million. Many are small contributions of $5 or $10 dollars - demonstrating that America is getting sick of progressives and their hand wringing idiocy.
By and large an excellent piece. As a member of the “right”, however, I take no glee in the death of Neely. Lots of sadness. Pointing out the problem and saying I told you so isn’t dancing on the grave for most people.
"In 2022, for instance, a video did the rounds, of a woman begging for help while a deranged man hauls her around a train car by her hair."
I recall that people were surprised that nobody helped when this happened. But if people (mostly men, one would assume) feel like they might get arrested for doing something, it certainly is a large discouragement. NYC seems to be a place where the authorities won't do anything about the problem, but if the citizens take matters into their own hands they'll get in trouble with the law. How is that fair?
I've only ridden the subway a few times in NYC since Covid, and every single time it's been a shit experience. A man shoved me on the platform for no reason, or it's constant delays and construction. It's become even more atrocious than usual and I avoid it all possible costs.
As a conservative Republican, I’d like to set the record straight. I’m not gleefully crooning “He Had it Coming.” Society, maybe. Not Neely, who desperately needed help. Where was the family? Church? The police? Oh, right. Canceled.
Jordan Neely went after my 11 year old daughter and I in the subway. I had to physically put myself in between them. He kept yelling that I killed his mother. Luckily a train pulled in where we got on. I stopped him from following us on by putting myself between him and the subway car and screaming at him what would happen if he touched me or tried to get past me. It worked and he did not get on. I was lucky but even though the platform was crowded and the train was full, no one helped me and a transit worker walked past us like it was nothing out of the ordinary because it wasn't.
I resent that the author only briefly mentions the 911 calls and the eyewitness accounts. I’m disgusted that she paints a picture of those on the right as “gleefully” celebrating this death. More propaganda designed to divide. No mention of his 42-times arrest record. Meanwhile she’s silent about Arianna Preston. So sick of people sugarcoating the wrong things. I weep for my gender.
“That Neely slipped through the cracks is not the only sign of institutional failure here.”
————————————————————-
He did not “slip through the cracks” unless by “cracks” you mean the very intentional and overtly shitty policy that the psychopathic morons we call ‘Democrats’ have been pushing for five plus decades.
I guess if you change it from “institutional failure” to “intentional failure” then the sentence works okay.
By all means keep voting for these degenerate perverts.
Another happening around the same time as the Neely/Penny subway situation:
A black man (Carlton Gilford) has been charged with fatally shooting two white strangers in the back of the head in Tulsa, Oklahoma, as part of what authorities are calling a racially motivated hate crime. Yes, a black man went hunting for white men and he bagged two of them.
This incident has received very little coverage. Did I miss TFP article, did it even make TGIF? Did Kat Rosenfield cover this story? Did she compare and contrast this story to #MeToo and the BLM movement?
Media coverage (or lack thereof) of the two events is telling, but not unexpected.
I don't know a single conservative who expressed any enjoyment, let alone glee, at the death of Jordan Neeley. Every single one expressed sadness at a society that has devolved to the point that criminals are celebrated and law-abiding citizens vilified. One where you can tell a progressive that you perceived a "racist dog whistle" in the way someone walked down a sidewalk and they will gasp in horror, but tell them that a homeless drug addict threatened you and they'll tell you that you have no right to feel unsafe because that person is "marginalized".
Just about everything in that dystopian hellscape is upside down. I feel for the millions of normal people there who are just trying to live their lives and are forced to tolerate, forgive and "develop resilience" to the anti social behavior of people who should be off the streets and getting help. Once again, the rights of the many are abandoned to establish a path for the dispossessed.
I usually enjoy these articles, but I felt I had wasted my time on this one when I finally reached the end of the rambling discourse, knowing less about the author's conclusions than I did when I began the marathon.
I can only feel compassion for Mr. Neely's family and for Mr. Penny. As a parent of a son who has gone down that road in another country (thankfully), I am horrified by what my son did in order to go to prison and drug rehab. We had no idea what was going on with him and even if we had, the laws (US) are written so that in the midst of what has been diagnosed as mental illness, we could not have forced him into a rehab mental health facility in the US. I can only barely imagine what Mr. Neely's family is going though. At the same time, Mr. Penny and others appear to have witnessed a situation rapidly spiraling out of control. In that case his training kicked in and he stepped up to protect others in his subway car. I have to say I would have been even more devastated than I am now by my son's situation, if he had permanently injured or killed someone. When people have a mental illness it is not compassionate to leave them on their own to forage for food or to try to find a safe place to sleep on the streets. The compassionate thing would be to take them in to a facility offering help, even against their will. Mr. Penny stepped in to protect a civil society when the state (NYC) failed to do their duty.
My co-worker who leans left and I lean right, says it best. In the realm of women's safety from men, it won't stop until the men who are upstanding turn to the friend/coworker/family member/person in society and says, that behavior isn't tolerated and puts them in their place. Women can say stop all day long. But the power of the male peer group is the power. It's like transgender athletes. If men started saying this isn't acceptable and stood on the starting block, the starting line, the field with women, it would end. It seems like the backfiring of the toxic masculinity cry is that men aren't standing up for their female counterparts. We need to stand united to stop the ills of society that ultimately affect all of us, not just a gender class.
Saying Republicans are gleefully claiming Neely had it coming is just another version of the tired "Republicans pounce" trope used by NYT. Republicans can never just be right, there is always some kind of malicious intent which can be used as an excuse to dismiss what they're saying regardless of the validity. Republicans are not gleeful about being right about woke hypocrisy. In fact, we are really sick of it!
Can someone please state this author's argument in simple terms? That's not a rhetorical question, I genuinely don't get the argument. The Right is wrong because they point out that they were right all along about Neely posing a very real and serious threat to everyone on that train? That Daniel Penny choked out Neely because the Left took MeToo too far?
“Malicious glee”? You can fuck right off. This was a sad situation but this young man acted bravely in the face of a dangerous situation. He should be celebrated not indicted. The “mental health system” should be indicted.
I have listened to several right leaning commentators and never once did I witness anything approaching "malicious glee". I heard lamenting about the tragedy of such a death and frustration that this type of situation had occurred in the first place. The FP can't seem to get out of its own way at taking every opportunity for the cheap shot against the right.
Kat Rosenfield, meanwhile, has written a brilliant piece for UnHerd that explores our collective hypocrisy over different types of crime, particularly in our post-MeToo era......
"Our collective hypocrisy????" No. The hypocrisy and insanity of the left. Period.
Daniel Perry is a hero. And Neely was not some gentle Michael Jackson mime. He was arrested over 40 times, including sucker punching a 67 year old woman so hard that he broke her orbital bone, nearly killing her. Attacking others and pushing people onto subway tracks and trying to abduct a seven year old girl. New Yorkers are forced to endure violent, foul and highly dangerous vagrants every day. When someone actually reacts - as any sane person would do - the progressive left trots out their paid, racist demonstrators and the odious, rotund little Soros prosecutor charges him with manslaughter. This is lunacy. This is bizarro world. This is a society devolving into chaos and madness. I'd love for a leftist to tell me that Penny is a criminal. I'm so sick of this I might reprise a full "Neely" on them. The defense fund for Mr. Penny is well over $2 million. Many are small contributions of $5 or $10 dollars - demonstrating that America is getting sick of progressives and their hand wringing idiocy.
By and large an excellent piece. As a member of the “right”, however, I take no glee in the death of Neely. Lots of sadness. Pointing out the problem and saying I told you so isn’t dancing on the grave for most people.
"In 2022, for instance, a video did the rounds, of a woman begging for help while a deranged man hauls her around a train car by her hair."
I recall that people were surprised that nobody helped when this happened. But if people (mostly men, one would assume) feel like they might get arrested for doing something, it certainly is a large discouragement. NYC seems to be a place where the authorities won't do anything about the problem, but if the citizens take matters into their own hands they'll get in trouble with the law. How is that fair?
I've only ridden the subway a few times in NYC since Covid, and every single time it's been a shit experience. A man shoved me on the platform for no reason, or it's constant delays and construction. It's become even more atrocious than usual and I avoid it all possible costs.
As a conservative Republican, I’d like to set the record straight. I’m not gleefully crooning “He Had it Coming.” Society, maybe. Not Neely, who desperately needed help. Where was the family? Church? The police? Oh, right. Canceled.
Jordan Neely went after my 11 year old daughter and I in the subway. I had to physically put myself in between them. He kept yelling that I killed his mother. Luckily a train pulled in where we got on. I stopped him from following us on by putting myself between him and the subway car and screaming at him what would happen if he touched me or tried to get past me. It worked and he did not get on. I was lucky but even though the platform was crowded and the train was full, no one helped me and a transit worker walked past us like it was nothing out of the ordinary because it wasn't.
I resent that the author only briefly mentions the 911 calls and the eyewitness accounts. I’m disgusted that she paints a picture of those on the right as “gleefully” celebrating this death. More propaganda designed to divide. No mention of his 42-times arrest record. Meanwhile she’s silent about Arianna Preston. So sick of people sugarcoating the wrong things. I weep for my gender.
“That Neely slipped through the cracks is not the only sign of institutional failure here.”
————————————————————-
He did not “slip through the cracks” unless by “cracks” you mean the very intentional and overtly shitty policy that the psychopathic morons we call ‘Democrats’ have been pushing for five plus decades.
I guess if you change it from “institutional failure” to “intentional failure” then the sentence works okay.
By all means keep voting for these degenerate perverts.
Another happening around the same time as the Neely/Penny subway situation:
A black man (Carlton Gilford) has been charged with fatally shooting two white strangers in the back of the head in Tulsa, Oklahoma, as part of what authorities are calling a racially motivated hate crime. Yes, a black man went hunting for white men and he bagged two of them.
This incident has received very little coverage. Did I miss TFP article, did it even make TGIF? Did Kat Rosenfield cover this story? Did she compare and contrast this story to #MeToo and the BLM movement?
Media coverage (or lack thereof) of the two events is telling, but not unexpected.
I don't know a single conservative who expressed any enjoyment, let alone glee, at the death of Jordan Neeley. Every single one expressed sadness at a society that has devolved to the point that criminals are celebrated and law-abiding citizens vilified. One where you can tell a progressive that you perceived a "racist dog whistle" in the way someone walked down a sidewalk and they will gasp in horror, but tell them that a homeless drug addict threatened you and they'll tell you that you have no right to feel unsafe because that person is "marginalized".
Just about everything in that dystopian hellscape is upside down. I feel for the millions of normal people there who are just trying to live their lives and are forced to tolerate, forgive and "develop resilience" to the anti social behavior of people who should be off the streets and getting help. Once again, the rights of the many are abandoned to establish a path for the dispossessed.
I usually enjoy these articles, but I felt I had wasted my time on this one when I finally reached the end of the rambling discourse, knowing less about the author's conclusions than I did when I began the marathon.
I can only feel compassion for Mr. Neely's family and for Mr. Penny. As a parent of a son who has gone down that road in another country (thankfully), I am horrified by what my son did in order to go to prison and drug rehab. We had no idea what was going on with him and even if we had, the laws (US) are written so that in the midst of what has been diagnosed as mental illness, we could not have forced him into a rehab mental health facility in the US. I can only barely imagine what Mr. Neely's family is going though. At the same time, Mr. Penny and others appear to have witnessed a situation rapidly spiraling out of control. In that case his training kicked in and he stepped up to protect others in his subway car. I have to say I would have been even more devastated than I am now by my son's situation, if he had permanently injured or killed someone. When people have a mental illness it is not compassionate to leave them on their own to forage for food or to try to find a safe place to sleep on the streets. The compassionate thing would be to take them in to a facility offering help, even against their will. Mr. Penny stepped in to protect a civil society when the state (NYC) failed to do their duty.
My co-worker who leans left and I lean right, says it best. In the realm of women's safety from men, it won't stop until the men who are upstanding turn to the friend/coworker/family member/person in society and says, that behavior isn't tolerated and puts them in their place. Women can say stop all day long. But the power of the male peer group is the power. It's like transgender athletes. If men started saying this isn't acceptable and stood on the starting block, the starting line, the field with women, it would end. It seems like the backfiring of the toxic masculinity cry is that men aren't standing up for their female counterparts. We need to stand united to stop the ills of society that ultimately affect all of us, not just a gender class.