The only thing "presidential" about him is that he might actually outweigh Taft and would be our fattest president. So self-discipline is a problem. Oh and did I mention his being a back stabbing sycophant.
But the worst aspect of Christie is how he sat imperiously on that Jersey beach, enjoying the sun and sea that he had denied to his "subjects." Disqualifying. Not to mention his little bridge caper, for which he let subordinates take the fall. Our political class is truly a clown car.
Waste our time? Seriously, Bruce? You're gonna engage in an ad hominem to undercut Christie? Hmmm. Lots of personal traits you can critique things one can say about all of them To say nothing of Biden, Newsome, and the gaggle of wannabes of the Democrat Party.
Christie showed his capacity for stupidity in that Jersey beach lounging photo. So also in hanging out and hugging Jerry Jones in the Cowboys stadium private box. The bridgegate thing was classic political power move and he got exposed.
But nothing is disqualifying if Donald Trump has ever been elected. Nothing. Oh, yeah, the pussy grabber in chief was elected in 2016 in a revolt of the masses against the corruption of the political class.
The only question that matters is whether a candidate is capable of leading. Clearly Trump is not, unless you want him to lead a breaking and entering parade at the US Capitol.
Many in the field lack the charisma to engage voters' interest (e.g., Pence is snooze time and his policies are straight out of Bible Belt America). When you shake the candidate trees on right and left, a lot of deadwood is gonna litter the yard. Who can lead? Better for Republicans to search for that person, no matter past stupidity.
Someone is going to be elected President. If Trump is the nominee, Biden walks in - maybe a landslide. House and Senate break for Dems.
Perhaps if you want a serious chance of ousting Biden and the Dem Senate you need to look past truly silly faux pax and find leadership. I suspect the Fat Man has more of that than the rest of the crowd. He certainly has balls.
Go back to your desert 'city of fun', dude and smoke some more of whatever.
Christie is a paid member of the RNC, nothing more, and the RNC hates Trump because he actually did what republicans campaigned on - but did not do - since Ronaldus.
I need to ask what you've been smoking. Trump *owns* the RNC these days.
- Why has the RNC been paying Trump's legal bills?
- How else did Trump get the talented sycophant Ronna McDaniels installed as chair? (And how else did Trump get away with forcing McDaniels drop the "Romney" from her name?)
- Why else is the RNC insisting that all primary candidates must sign a pledge that they'll back the party candidate at Election Time -- or else they can't be in the debates. Such a pledge only helps Trump.
EVERY ONE knows Trump will sign that pledge, but NO ONE believes he'll abide by it himself. But it may keep some candidates out of the debates and it will certainly give Trump talking points against his primary foes.
Christy is no better or worse than any of the other egocentric sociopaths, Dem or Rep running for President. However, I will vote for any Republican over any Democrat/Socialist, no matter how corrupt or loony he or she is.
The Republicans are just stupid. Democrats are evil.
We need a Rep president and congress to reverse the evil the Dems are forcing on us. We need someone to not discriminate against the alphabet gay community, just ignore them. Force our schools to stick to teaching the three Rs (that is figuratively). Ensure teachers leave their politics, ideas of social engineering, racial philosophies like CRT at the door and if they can't fire them. Have them teach that this country, warts and all is still the land of the free and the home of the brave. Democrats hate that concept and try to undermine it. It is as if they can't look around and see truly evil countries like Russia, China, Cuba, Islamic countries and North Korea and dozens more and then look at our country and think, thank God I was born here and not there.
We need to overhaul our political atmosphere and try and change the opposition party's hateful, destructive agenda like calling concerned parents terrorists. The way you do that is through aggressive, truthful advertising and change the minds of the voters to a more middle of the road thinking to destroy the radical left's vile, destructive philosophies.
The Republicans have the ammunition to do these things so why are they sitting on their hands? The radical left sure doesn't.
This Biden / Trump WAR is destroying us & the divide is getting almost too wide to bridge!
That’s assuming they even want to bridge it.
I am beyond disgusted with the “Orange Man Bad” “Fu*k Joe Biden & Heels Up Harris” “Basket of Deplorable, MAGA Cult” blah, blah, blah “whataboutisms” rhetoric coming out of BOTH sides!
We desperately need a centrist, peace maker, but is there someone? Or is it too late bc the lines are drawn, and the War has spilled too much blood already?
Too short a CV and what there is is underwhelming and/or troublesome. Not a rocket I'd get onto. Maybe youse should stop running around in panic and terror glomming onto the most sub-optimal solutions in fear.
It is NEVER too late for a peacemaker to appear, Honey. Somewhere there is someone who remembers that old bit of doggeral we used to sing long ago in my high school choir when we actually believed the words ., " Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me" Maybe that someone will remember them too and take them to heart.
Your "handle" reminds me of an old English proverb: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Flies represent your goals. Honey stands for agreeable things that you do to achieve your goals. You can win people to your side more easily by gentle persuation than by hostile confrontation.
Gentle persuasion is not much in favor these days. The frustration we all feel with a country seemingly going crazy seems to require hostile confronataion but that doesn't seem to be working too well. Time perhaps to try some honey.
Good question. There does seem to be a deafening Republican silence. I actually left messages with our local organization offering to volunteer and they never returned my calls. Everything in the D.C. political seems to have a "cloaking device" that leaves "we the people" having to guess at what the reality actually is. And, then there is the DNC lie machine. Defeating the DNC will buy us time but until that happens?
I continue to believe the capitalism vs. communism diatribe is a trap. The DNC/Davos crowd is certainly past it. Their CCP based image of the 15 minute city/euthanasia on demand/ thought crime prosecution/ surveillance model has European's rioting in mass against the EU. (The destruction in France is mind boggling.) The world thinks swinging to the "right" will escape the inhuman sterility of the totalitarian "left" but, is international criminal finance not playing both ends against the middle?
The force destabilizing our Republic is the bad social/financial policy emanating from a Federal Government captured and controlled by rigged game financier's. Right now most of the psyop and assault on "we the people" and the Constitution is the battle over control of the electronic platform's that filter's the flow of idea's and the conversation that make's up our national dialogue. The financier's themselves, top heavy in wealth, don't invest in business and infrastructure. A look at the violence and decay in the heart's of our major cities pretty much confirm's that their action's destroy it. Big Tech ownership, probably out of the desire to survive, is making itself a complicit partner in the creation of a surveillance state. Shouldn't our real vision of the American future be the break-up of Big Tech and its reduction to a utility? Likewise, the heavy regulation and taxation of monopolistic monster's like Blackrock and Vangard who manipulate our supply chains and corrupt our elected political leadership. Our train wreck of the week, collapsing bridges and highways, shi't in the street downtown's say it's time for the money to flow the other way. This is neither capitalism or socialism. It's just the common sense solution that would allow America to begin a return to the "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" it deserves.
The word "Capitalism" was a pejorative in origin and remains a pejorative. Corporatism and Socialism are the same thing; witness Ford and Fiat contributing to industrialisation in the Soviet Union and American "Capitalists" contributing to the Nazi indusrial economy. Take away the labels and just concentrate on describing Nazism, Fordism, Fascism, and Communism and you will find those descriptions converging. The same goes for our contemporary "isms". It is all the SAME nonsense on stilts.
If truth/fact based subscription journalism didn't have the tiny toe hold it does there would have been no Twitter Files. DNC behavior during the Taibbi/Shellenberger Congressional hearings made it clear that the lie felt the blow. I watched a German film on Hanna Arendt and her reporting on the Eichmann trials last evening. The abdication of individual moral responsibility by the German people led to their submission to the Reich and ultimately the destruction of Europe. The little fire we're trying to kindle here is important. America, and the world, has entered a new age. I already support more truth/fact based journalist's than I can keep up with. But, there are good people doing the work and they deserve the support. I'm trying to see with new eye's even though the story we're witnessing is as old as time. Besides, we all know, nobody get's out alive. Glad you're there. Keep on rockin'.
Anyone who has read the Trans Leviathan would agree with you that the "capitalism vs. communism diatribe is a trap" and that the "force destabilizing our Republic is the bad social/financial policy emanating from a Federal Government captured and controlled by rigged game financier's":
Also, euthanasia is big in Canada... which has no free speech - just like the state of MI which just passed a law criminalizing "misgendering". Who has name changes/new "identities" outside of cults? (And made up things like optional pronouns?). After the MI thing I especially appreciated Tucker Carlson's Episode 8:
Make specific teaching unions illegal. I'm not against workers organising; I am against what has been glommed on by activists/collectivists/nihilists. Like the organisations representing the constabulary in the UK, such for teachers need specific rules to keep them non-partisan and non-ideological.
and you realize that there are large factions of the democratic party that would label you evil. I guess I'm the kid in the playground watching two irrational bullies fight and decide I really dont have to pick either side
The left labels anyone who disagrees with them as evil. The definition of a racist is anyone who wins an argument with a leftist. You can substitute xenophobe, homophobe, fascist for racist.
"The left" "them" "they". These broad brush stereotyping charecterizations dont help we Americans move the coversation forward. For sure it applies to some leftlies, I've for sure experienced it myself however I wouldn't use your language to describe all left leaners. To the credit of the article we get some research stats on your very ascertaion.
I love to see the breadcrumbs of society finally be able to string a few words into something reasonably coherent--well done Burner. It is too bad it is nothing but whataboutism and gaslighting. Not too late to get back on that train, man.
The only people who think Jerseyites are cool and make good candidates? Apparently Burners and other Jerseyites. Good luck!
The breadcrumbs of society?? really??? who do you think you are? Have you ever met any these people?… Why in the world would you call them the breadcrumbs of society? What makes you so different or more special from anyone else here?? your comment is incredibly ill mannered and rude
"If Trump is the nominee, Biden walks in - maybe a landslide."
Lol. 2015 called and wants its punditry back.
I think you overestimate the number of xanax-addled NPR listeners. But perhaps the democrats can muster a 2024 summer race riot to get their base motivated...
Take two xanax and call your shrink in the morning, sweetie. Pussy is what makes the world go round. We all know that. I think you might have some "issues".
This is a fluff piece that tells me nothing new. whenever I see Republicans attacking trump ( often for good reason) I cannot help but marvel how the dems never attack their own and in fact will avoid discussing ( of distorting) the facts when it comes to a failed policy ( inflation , the border etc) . No matter how ineffective or destructive the policy or the use of trumpian language to destroy the other side they circle the wagons and allow the MSM to run effective interference for them. Whether you like them or not , you have to respect their ability to focus on the prize which in politics is winning
Except, Michael, the MSM (propaganda arm of the WOKE Left) is crucifying RFK Jr., and they totally ignored Bernie!
The Left is appalled RFK Jr. is “daring to run against a sitting President of his own Democrat Party” and they say, “He is the greatest threat to Democracy” (Hello, isn’t that what you screeched about Trump?!)
Must mean the WOKE Left fears RFK Jr., mainly because he’s agreeing with Trump on the border, the economy & the war with Russia!
They WILL eat their own if they dare go against their narrative!
Please resend to me my "screech." about threats to democracy ( a phrase that is idiotic on its face and has yet to bd defined by those who toss it around with no conception of what they mean or object to).There are many reasons the media does not like and wants to silence Kennedy. Part is vaxx stuff and part is to silence anyone on the left who questions Biden and his failed policies etc. I try to be consistent in my posts here and elsewhere. I am of the view that Trump did a lot of good things but his personality is a big problem. You are free to defend him and his antics. And I am free to criticize same. As many have noted here and elsewhere, I am looking for someone who can win in 24. I do not believe that person is Trump. Again you may feel otherwise.
A thought on the coming election: The force driving both sides remains undefined. It exists outside human moral reason and conscience because it is able to ignore the adverse human consequence's of its own action's. It is pathological not political and exploits the ideological without belief in any specific ideology. It can rationalize any expediency but is able to escape the landscape of the reality it foster's. One can intuitively feel its' presence but can only glimpse it in the destruction it leaves behind. It is able to totally adapt and insinuate itself into any human reality without the human recognizing the intrusion. It is able to distort the human experience of time and truth while hiding in plain sight. It can weep on demand and speak of hope and virtue while planning the slaughter of the innocent. The present is always defined by its personal past and prologue to its control of the future. Its best intention's spring from nearsighted self-interest and poison all human discourse. It devour's the young, cast no reflection in the mirror, waste's all natural resource's and is willing to employ the firestorm to ensure the control of human destiny.-----------Knock knock--who's there?
@Michael I hear ya. I am a political independent who searches constantly for traditional Dem writers who criticize their own. Sadly I have no go-to writer. Dems need their own Lincoln Project (Roosevelt Project?). I once emailed Kevin D Williamson this Q. His reply? "Please let me know when you find one"
I listened to the entire Joe Rogan RFK Jr podcast and watched about 1/3 of it. I concluded if RFK Jr was Dem nominee vs Trump in yet another "lesser of two evils choice" general election, I would not be able to vote for either ... again. Fortunately for me the 2016 Libertarian ticket was the best ticket so I could cast a ballot without holding my nose.
Bruce, as much as I agree with you on many things, this is not one of them. Christie deserves his few minutes in the spotlight so that we can see his flaws and his strengths. Do I think he can win? No, of COURSE not! But saying that he doesn't, or shouldn't, be given a platform is just plain wrong.
Oh yeah, I forgot to say that I wouldn't vote for him anyway!
No, Christie does not. He was great in 2009 and then tried to be Judas in 2016/7 and now again. He is being paid by the republican precisely to bitch about Trump, nothing more.
He 'deserves' nothing. Any attention he receives is down to who chooses to give it to him. Since TFP is a paid news platform, those of us who pay should be allowed to point out when we feel that Bari and Co's limited time is being used on subjects or people that we are not interested in.
There are far more interesting candidates with platforms that actually have a semblance of substance some of us would rather Bari spend time on.
I'm not sure Skinny,Lara and Gratful that allowing Bruce to decide for you whether Christie is worth listening to is a good idea. One hundred others agree with you, it seems.
. Yes, Bruce, is always an interesting and often amusing read BUT since we so often criticize the low information, ignorant, deplorables who put TRump into the WH, I wonder whether all of us who plan to vote for anyone, shouldn't spend the vew minutes it takes to go right to the source and decide for ourselves. After all, even Bruce has his biases and I am not sure that his would necessarily be mine.
As to our valuable time being wasted - Bari let's us listen rather than read so you can listen while you are eating breakfast or brushing your teeth.
It didn't waste my time. Christie is as viable a candidate for president as anyone else running, and his polling numbers at this stage matched Trump in the first election. He's as deserving of an interview here as RFKj or any other declared candidate.
My only issue, which I laid out elsewhere, was that it's fine to read the Trump-bashing, I wanted a lot more questions about how Christie intends to govern if elected. Including, yes, "why were you such a dick on Bridgegate?"
Where does Christie stand on inflation, immigration, censorship, the pursuit of "equity" over competence? Bari did a good job challenging him on his hypocrisy around supporting Trump, but what about Trump's policies and Supreme Court picks?
It's clear Christie's an unprincipled opportunist desperately trying to stay in the spotlight. If anti-Trumper Republicans want a credible candidate, let them run Mitt Romney again. At least he seems sincere, not like this blowhard and bully.
That was at the height of the 2012 election and was a kick in crotch of the Party nominee, Romney, because Christie was passed over from VP. A spiteful fool who stabs fellow Rs on both ends of the spectrum, first Romney and now Orange Man.
Bruce, That's just unkind. I'm sure you're better than that. Christie was wrong to use that beach house while others were denied access to their local beaches. And the bridge fiasco was, indeed, vengeful. But Christie's been bullied enough about his weight. We all have our weaknesses, and Christie just does not have a svelte body type to begin with. Governor Murphy was wrong when he, at this inauguration party, posed with a life sized cut out of Christie at the beach, mocking his size. Is this what we want to teach our children? btw, Governor Christie was the first Governor in the United States to sign important Dyslexia legislation.
I'm about 14 hours late on this one, holiday weekend at all.
But seriously, Bruce, don't you think the wretched afternoon Christie spent on that beach that so disturbs you is matched by Trump's three hour sojourn he took while he watched the TV entertainment of his rabid supporters trash the Capitol on Jan 6 looking for his Vice President's head? (Of course what they would have done with it is anybody's guess - I don't think the average IQ in that crowd was on the high side).
And on the back stabbing - ask the hundred or so contractors Trump totally screwed in Jersey as he bankrupted his companies three times. Or the poor minions who enrolled in his fake university. (yeah, yeah - they got a small settlement) But that's ok, it's capitalism.
I guess that's the American way.
And sycophant? Oh boy. Let's see. Trump on bended knee to Putin in Helsinki doing service on him. Does that suffice?
Somebody better tear into that opportunistic charlatan - and if it's Christie - so be it..
A friend who has a similar unhinged hatred of Trump remarked to me before the election that "if he had the choice between voting for Trump or a pile of shit, he'd vote for the pile of shit."
Now after 2 1/2 years of Biden's misgovernance, racial division, corruption, and general senile imbecility, I pointed out to him that he got his wish.
Think about it for a second. Enjoying a vast expanse of sand and sea that you deny your subjects. That's the mindset of a Mideast Potentate or Nicolae Ceascescu or Kim Jong Un. Not an elected public "servant." 100% disqualifying.
Who we are is oft expressed in one act. But, with Christie, it wasn't just one act. Yet that one stunningly tone deaf and imperious gesture alone spoke volumes about his unfitness.
When I refer to your three examples I see the state murdering its citizens for imagined crimes. Not a day denied on a beach. No matter. Christie was probably tone deaf there, but hey, so was Trump when he boasted how he could do whatever he wanted with women because of his celebrity. But since be lowered taxes, that’s forgiven. Christie is owed the same, imo.
I didn't see Trump's comment so much as a boast (but who knows with him) as a comment on the type of women who prostrate themselves before rock stars, athletes and other celebrities. Or vote for people such as Gavin Newsome based solely on his looks.
Um, how about focusing on some principle? Biden, Trump, Christie, who really cares about the names...being led down this puerile path of he said/she said bullshit.
But it should be his ultimate goal. Someone should remind him that Jared Kushner…even though a bit unsavory…has a legitimate business. Was he trying to compare it with things Hunter is accused of?
“In 2016, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie was one of 17 Republicans in a crowded field trying to beat Donald Trump. We all know how that movie ended. One of the hard-won lessons of the 2016 primary, especially among Republicans, was that it was foolish not to unite right away behind the strongest candidate. If they had done that, perhaps Trump wouldn’t have been the nominee and then the president”.
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Bari Weiss
Good grief. It’s not a movie. There is no producer or director like in your party. It’s a process. And what you refer to as a mistake produced a winner who advocated and implemented excellent policies. Christies should have been asked why he opposed someone with such an excellent record or perhaps why he talks as incoherently and nonsensically about Trump as you do.
How quickly everyone forgets. While we bathe in massive inflation and gas prices over $5/gal in many places, let's take a little time to remember:
Complete US energy independence, with export of energy to the rest of the world.
$2/gal gasoline.
Lowest female unemployment in 50 years
Lowest black unemployment in history.
Built The Wall over Congress' objections, with massive reduction in illegal invasion at the southern border
Signed an order requiring federal agencies to identify two regulations for elimination for every new one proposed. They responded by in many cases by identifying twenty.
Massive monetary inflows into the Average Guy's 401K and other retirement vehicles, with new stock market highs not only every week, but sometimes every day.
The first REAL (after inflation) wage increase for the middle class in over fifty years.
That is just skimming the surface. The surface of the surface. I can't wait to have him back, mean tweets and all. And if he'll select Kari Lake as his running mate - and shut his mouth and let her do the talking - we can have it.
And any true conservative has to thank Trump for winning in 2016 and being able to remake the Supreme Court. If Crooked won we would have a far left 6-3 SC that would rubber stamp the leftist agenda. That is Trump’s lasting legacy.
His other legacy is exposing the hypocrisy of the R establishment.
Just this week the Koch team announced a $70 ml spend to “stop Trump”. How much of those type of funds is Christie receiving? He is a political prostitute, period.
I agree that Trump’s biggest accomplishment was adding 3 justices to the Supreme Court. But while he’s not currently in vogue, I think you have to give Mitch McConnell a ton of credit for steering all three (and stonewalling Merrick Garland) through the confirmation process.
To be fair, any true conservative has to thank Trump for losing the Senate and the Red Trickle in 2020. He actually came to Iowa and said Kim Reynolds - a very popular governor who turned a purple state red - wouldn't have won without his endorsement.
We can have it all again, please bring the MAGA man back America was at her best with all those policies. We are a banana Republic today, and for Gods sake how was this man currently in the WH elected to the WH? If ever, there has been a time to question an election, 2020 was that time, are we going to allow 2024 to be the same I’m praying everyday that it’s not going to happen again. If you want to listen to a really good podcast do Joe Rogan and RFKennedy. Robert tells you what Brandon thought of all the steel President Trump bought and had delivered to finish the wall it’s still lying on the ground rotting, with a flimsy bit of rubbish fence authorized by Joe (idiot) Biden, which has gaps so wide whole continents can come into America I think we all deserve better than this red or blue, black or white. And by the way Jim an excellent post keep it up!🇺🇸
Skinny, the MSM is labeling RFK Jr “The greatest threat to Democracy” even worse than Trump! The WOKE Left will eat their own if anyone dares go against their narrative! RFK Jr has definitely pissed them off when he compliment Trump’s handling of the Border, AND agreeing with Trump on ending the war with Russia + no more war, period”
I’ll second that… we need to stop making emotional arguments when it comes to voting for people… Does anybody remember Bill Clinton and all of his personal problems they were legion… Kennedy… what about the Bushes? They certainly had their share… Did people vote for them? Yes… were where we are now? No… he’s certainly can’t rewrite history today although many people are trying… We can make better choices in 2024… This isn’t it… I don’t care who this group puts up… This is not the democratic party my grandparents and my parents participated in… No thanks
Yes, Jim, “but, but, but Orange Man Bad” and, of course, he wasn’t a “peacemaker like Biden”
Besides, the MSM (propaganda arm of the WOKE Left) points out that “the Emperor really does have clothes on ... who are you gonna believe ... your lying eyes, or what WE tell you” ???!!!
Now, that is an absolutely well thought out comment… It’s not emotional, and it has perspective… Thinking person’s comment… Not a person driven by their emotions
Well said Terrence. No discussion of Christie’s policy proposals or critique of Trump’s. Christie is a Bush republican - endless wars, ever expanding security state powers to the feds, and a life long feeder at the government trough. And now, just another deep state attack dog trying desperately to get back in its good graces. Christie is the one who recommended Wray to Trump for FBI director and unfortunately for the country, Trump took his advice. I wish Bari would have asked him if he and Wray are still pals
So well posted Terence. Everybody seems to think Biden/Harris are a shoo in, I’m praying not, I can think of nothing worse. Another 4 years of this will be the death of all of us right and left.
I’m with Jim… All I know is our country is better off and safer from 2016 to 2020… Everyone was… What does happen from 2020 until today is abhorrent.. the rhetoric is unnecessary… Under no circumstances will have it for four more years of this… That would be an emotional decision… I do not let my emotions guide my judgment… I do not live by my feelings… thinking is not the same as feeling… we need to learn to tolerate different perspectives, even if we don’t agree… Then go in the voting booth by yourself and pull the lever using your best judgment… Stop letting your emotions lead you around by your nose…
The personal attacks may be ‘childish and odious’ but Christie is merely positioning himself for what he believes (and many others..) is what is next in store for dear Donald. This month or next he could well be indicted in Georgia. At that point he will exclaim: do Republicans want a leader who is THREE times indicted? With another to come re Jan 6 later?
It depends upon who is indicting him and for what. The first two are clear instances of Democratic election interference, and any from GA or DOJ (1/6 hoax) are the same.
Exactly Mike, Lee doesn’t like President Trump. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see what is going to happen if we gave another 4 years of this administration. The Democrats will pack the courts, allow abortions up until 9 months plus birth, allow children to freely transgender without allowing therapy or parent intervention in fact removing the kids from their parents if the parents say no, the shit show we all witnessed on the WH lawn for pride month was disgusting. Why would any American want to live in a country like this. It’s so un-American and foreign to us all.
Pack the courts? I have to laugh. Conservatives have a 6-3 margin at the SC. And recent decisions reflect that (some not so bad). And that margin might stay that way for the next fifteen years. You should look at the glass half full instead of half empty. Things aren’t so bad.
So Trump asks a Republican Sec of State in a state run by Republicans to find close to twelve thousand votes in an already certified election. In other words, it's over. It's done.
If Trump were a smart man, and you probably think he is, then he had to know that the only way Georgia's Sec of State were to 'find' them would be to just conjure them up, and to find an excuse, any kind of excuse, to justify it. Maybe in Trump's world, you can do that. But in the real world?
His candor is refreshing but as a life-long Jerseyite I can attest that he left office with the lowest poll numbers of any governor in history. He didn’t need to negotiate with the other side because the NJ governor has more leeway than most of his counterparts in other states, and he used it to his advantage. Like single-handedly appointing judges (judges and DA’s are not elected in NJ), one of whom was highly regarded by both sides but he didn’t reappoint because of something her husband did that miffed the governor. And “Bridgegate” where he ordered the closure of the busiest bridge in the country, creating commuter and environmental hell for a week because the mayor of nearby FT. Lee didn’t award a contract to one of Christie’s cronies. And halting the construction of a desperately-needed tunnel under the Hudson River to give the appearance that he was cutting costs (even though it was heavily subsidized by the federal government) that in hindsight could have prevented subsequent fatal accidents and delays, and is now being built at a higher cost to taxpayers.
He was an effective prosecutor and should go back to his day job.
Don't be a lazy writer, Bari Weiss. We know who Trump is, but WTF is "Trumpism"? Care to define it for us? Or is it just your lazy, elitist (yes, you are one of them) attitude searching for a different way of calling lots of American's Deplorables or Ultra MAGA Republicans?
I do not think you've "evolved" your thinking much since be3ing run out of the NYT.
I think you might need to mature a bit if you think my comment was an "attack". It was a call out, a challenge if you will. Apparently some others think the same thing. For my monthly fee I get to make such calls.
You’re missing a very important part of this story which is the Christie/Kushner angle.
Christie prosecuted Jared’s father, Charlie—a well-known, maniacal real estate developer— for tax evasion and witness tampering. Charlie went so far as to set up his brother-in-law with a prostitute, videotaped them together and sent the tapes to his sister in the hopes of silencing her husband. Charlie went to jail for several years.
Jared never forgot that and kept Christie from getting the position he wanted in Trump’s administration. That is one of the reasons for Christie’s current hatred of Trump.
Bari started the Free Press… she’s a journalist… I repeat a journalist, not a Talking Head…. This column is great about different perspectives… We need to learn to tolerate listen and discern between the message and the Messenger… we need to get back to some perspective in the United States… Since 2016, we’ve been on the slow slide down to intolerance… It was always there, but it’s a lot worse now… we’re adults not children… We need to get a grip on our emotions in this country… It seems like social media has given people an opportunity to rant in ways they would never rant when they were in front of someone else.. there is a lot to be said for good manners and common courtesy… Even if it’s online… It doesn’t make a difference… You should be the same person, no matter where you are… most of us have been raised with better manners, than we’re demonstrating today
Finally, someone that wants to hear other thoughts and opinions. As things develop I hope I can count on TFP for more interviews from other thoughts provoking contributors be they canadates or not.
"I came to the conclusion after his presidency that he could never be president again." Fortunately, We the People get to decide the next President, not Bridgegate Christie. Anyone with any brain cells left would be uniting with others to send the creature currently in the White House packing. I would vote for a blade of grass over Biden, or any one in the republican field, except for Christie.
Christie would be a great candidate as a Democrat. He could run as the middle of the road candidate that Biden was supposed to be. He could control the crazy progressives and run aggressively against Trump. I think he might get the D nomination if he changed parties.
As people used to say, he couldn’t get elected as a dog catcher in a Republican primary.
"CC: I don’t think we’ve determined who the strongest horse is yet. The campaign has barely started, and I’ve only been in it for three weeks." - Again, as it relates to 90% of the current candidates and specifically the GOP field, a more accurate statement would be "who is the least lame horse that may be able to cross the finish line ahead of the others". What is it about politics in the last 15-20 years that allows the worst emotionally, spiritually, and psychologically mature individuals to commit to lives of "service" in our government? Christie comes off as angry, self-absorbed, and emotionally immature to me - so in essence, a younger, heavier version of Trump.
DeSantis is obviously the strongest horse. And, more importantly, the best mind and most principled candidate with the best chance of defeating the “Democrats” puppet.
I wish we could get Trump off the stage so more people could see that what you say is true. Trump gets all the attention, and he's every bit as bad as Christie says he is.
Lovely man with a truly beautiful family, a navy seal and a lawyer to boot. The Democrats will eat him for breakfast, lunch and dinner. So no 2024 not for him maybe 2028.
Skinny, will we EVER get a Republican/Independent/Moderate Democrat elected again??
Remember, Biden hid in his basement and got 81 million votes. THE most popular President in the history of America ... I truly fear BlackRock & The Powers That Be (et al) will never give up control.
Yip HD we are doomed even with Lee’s half full glass. Blackrock, Vanguard, Google,Facebook, Microsoft/Gates etc, “WE HAVE BEEN CAPTURED” so it doesn’t matter who we vote for those vicious humans have already written the script.
And just how will the Dems eat him for anything?? They WILL eat Trump. They already have. No way Trump can win. DeSantis will easily beat Biden. Trump is DOA.
If DeSantis is the strongest horse that doesn’t bode well for America. DeSantis has managed to piss off the Mouse, alienate unpaid civil servants, and takes a radical position on Women’s Reproductive Rights that is out of step with the majority of the country.
Don't get me wrong. I’m for DeSantis. I wish Trump would be a statesman and withdraw, but that’s not going to happen. So it’s going to be a circus.
I just think the promise and the premise of the FP or common sense is getting lost. I subscribed because it was supposed to highlight news overlooked or covered (with a blanket so it smothers) by NBCCBSABCNPRNYTWaPoPBS and increasingly the gnus pages of the WSJ. Instead, as others have pointed out, it’s the markles or this junk, or a lot of the other stuff published here. It’s like it’s become a home for those pieces the Atlantic won’t run.
I don’t need to pay to have the FP run cover for the dems and the left. I can get that anywhere. And I don’t think every article has to be about Trump or stop Trump or Trump snark.
I would have a question for Christie: what are his thoughts on Jonathan Karl and George Stephanopoulos? Are they straight journalists giving us the news, or are they propagandists for the democratic party and the government? I will always vote for Trump over Christie because Christie will have his lips puckered up to the ass of those two and the media. They are the enemy, not Trump. For me, when you kowtow to the narrative being shoved down our throats, you can never change anything. How does Chris make his money now? If its from this TV work or speaking fees, we know why he is in.
It's nice to see a candidate actually engaging someone directly rather than mouthing scripted platitudinous boilerplate and sloughing off real criticism. Christie's "facts" in this particular article aren't really disputable. What's weird is the idea that you ought to be able to pass a law like Social Security, operate it for generations, (then foolishly start paying out to more people and to a larger extent than it was designed for,) but when it becomes indisputably on the brink of bankruptcy, decide it was really an insurance program that people can't expect to recover their money from unless they suffer a disaster.
Actually its more like mumble mumble mumble (wanders away)
For THE 1st time I can honestly say, I don't know who is in charge, but it's Not Joe Biden.
I haven't always Liked/Supported who was President, BUT I could always say He's In Charge. Oh he sits in the Oval Office, He rides on AF 1, they play Hail To The Chief when he walks in the room....but hes not In Charge.
No, Steve, he is not in charge! His handlers control the White House.
I remember Obama saying he wished he could have a 3rd term, so he could implement more of what he started ... then he said (I’m paraphrasing) the next best thing would be to have someone elected that I could help/control/work thru.
"It's nice to see a candidate actually engaging someone directly rather than mouthing scripted platitudinous boilerplate and sloughing off real criticism. Christie's "facts" in this particular article aren't really disputable."
Oh he got in All Kinds Of Trouble over this. Thing is he was correct, and its worse today. I spent my working life on the factory floor making Stuff (Very blue collar, lower middle class). Social Security alone $2,100 every month. I Gross what I used to Net when I was working, and spending less.
“Trends that can't continue, won't.” — Herbert Stein.
Same here on paying into it for over forty years without any choice. And while self-employed paying twice as much- the real rate is over 16%. Forcing employers to pay half of it doesnt actually come out of their pocket. It just reduces what they can pay you, but hides the real rate from workers.
Don’t waste your time with Christie, he doesn’t understand why someone would be hellbent to vote for Trump. We get it: Trump’s brash, loud, looks funny, posts seemingly inappropriate things (that almost always end up true and necessary), thin skinned and conceited. But he says what we’re thinking, has common sense and great instincts. He’s too rich to be purchased. And he does what he says. He’s not perfect. He made some big mistakes with Covid, vaccines, trusting the wrong people, hiring, signed stupid spending bills, etc. He’s loyal to a fault, literally and sometimes in a bad way. Trump, to the best of his ability, did exactly what he said he’d do. And he’s being unfairly politically prosecuted (if they can go after a president, they can go after me [Jan 6, 36,000 new IRS agents]).
America First (MAGA) is bigger than Trump. It’s manufacturing on US soil, creating a real economy based on jobs and products. It’s immigration based on assimilation (the melting pot that we’ve always been), and upholding traditional American values. It’s keeping tax dollars in America to help our veterans, disabled and elderly. It’s not about nation building in other countries, trying to “Americanize” them or spread democracy around the world. It’s common sense spending, small government and no more deficits. It’s maintaining sovereignty at our borders, our land ownership and our trading. But Trump gets that, he put it together.
Chris Christie doesn’t get that. Neither does Pence, Desantis, Scot, Hailey or the rest. They never did. You don’t either.
Christie? You waste our time with this?
The only thing "presidential" about him is that he might actually outweigh Taft and would be our fattest president. So self-discipline is a problem. Oh and did I mention his being a back stabbing sycophant.
But the worst aspect of Christie is how he sat imperiously on that Jersey beach, enjoying the sun and sea that he had denied to his "subjects." Disqualifying. Not to mention his little bridge caper, for which he let subordinates take the fall. Our political class is truly a clown car.
Waste our time? Seriously, Bruce? You're gonna engage in an ad hominem to undercut Christie? Hmmm. Lots of personal traits you can critique things one can say about all of them To say nothing of Biden, Newsome, and the gaggle of wannabes of the Democrat Party.
Christie showed his capacity for stupidity in that Jersey beach lounging photo. So also in hanging out and hugging Jerry Jones in the Cowboys stadium private box. The bridgegate thing was classic political power move and he got exposed.
But nothing is disqualifying if Donald Trump has ever been elected. Nothing. Oh, yeah, the pussy grabber in chief was elected in 2016 in a revolt of the masses against the corruption of the political class.
The only question that matters is whether a candidate is capable of leading. Clearly Trump is not, unless you want him to lead a breaking and entering parade at the US Capitol.
Many in the field lack the charisma to engage voters' interest (e.g., Pence is snooze time and his policies are straight out of Bible Belt America). When you shake the candidate trees on right and left, a lot of deadwood is gonna litter the yard. Who can lead? Better for Republicans to search for that person, no matter past stupidity.
Someone is going to be elected President. If Trump is the nominee, Biden walks in - maybe a landslide. House and Senate break for Dems.
Perhaps if you want a serious chance of ousting Biden and the Dem Senate you need to look past truly silly faux pax and find leadership. I suspect the Fat Man has more of that than the rest of the crowd. He certainly has balls.
Go back to your desert 'city of fun', dude and smoke some more of whatever.
Christie is a paid member of the RNC, nothing more, and the RNC hates Trump because he actually did what republicans campaigned on - but did not do - since Ronaldus.
"the RNC hates Trump"???
I need to ask what you've been smoking. Trump *owns* the RNC these days.
- Why has the RNC been paying Trump's legal bills?
- How else did Trump get the talented sycophant Ronna McDaniels installed as chair? (And how else did Trump get away with forcing McDaniels drop the "Romney" from her name?)
- Why else is the RNC insisting that all primary candidates must sign a pledge that they'll back the party candidate at Election Time -- or else they can't be in the debates. Such a pledge only helps Trump.
EVERY ONE knows Trump will sign that pledge, but NO ONE believes he'll abide by it himself. But it may keep some candidates out of the debates and it will certainly give Trump talking points against his primary foes.
You can look all this stuff up.
Christy is no better or worse than any of the other egocentric sociopaths, Dem or Rep running for President. However, I will vote for any Republican over any Democrat/Socialist, no matter how corrupt or loony he or she is.
The Republicans are just stupid. Democrats are evil.
We need a Rep president and congress to reverse the evil the Dems are forcing on us. We need someone to not discriminate against the alphabet gay community, just ignore them. Force our schools to stick to teaching the three Rs (that is figuratively). Ensure teachers leave their politics, ideas of social engineering, racial philosophies like CRT at the door and if they can't fire them. Have them teach that this country, warts and all is still the land of the free and the home of the brave. Democrats hate that concept and try to undermine it. It is as if they can't look around and see truly evil countries like Russia, China, Cuba, Islamic countries and North Korea and dozens more and then look at our country and think, thank God I was born here and not there.
We need to overhaul our political atmosphere and try and change the opposition party's hateful, destructive agenda like calling concerned parents terrorists. The way you do that is through aggressive, truthful advertising and change the minds of the voters to a more middle of the road thinking to destroy the radical left's vile, destructive philosophies.
The Republicans have the ammunition to do these things so why are they sitting on their hands? The radical left sure doesn't.
Lonesome, I agree!
This Biden / Trump WAR is destroying us & the divide is getting almost too wide to bridge!
That’s assuming they even want to bridge it.
I am beyond disgusted with the “Orange Man Bad” “Fu*k Joe Biden & Heels Up Harris” “Basket of Deplorable, MAGA Cult” blah, blah, blah “whataboutisms” rhetoric coming out of BOTH sides!
We desperately need a centrist, peace maker, but is there someone? Or is it too late bc the lines are drawn, and the War has spilled too much blood already?
Tim Scott!!
Backs 6 week abortion ban, toxic nationally.
RINO.
Nikki Haley is the answer to that one.
Read her book. She doesn't have much to say, and when she does, she still doesn't have much to say.
Pretty much an empty suit.
You can't have been following much of her career to say that. If you'd watched her even a day in the UN you'd see what grit she's made of.
Sometimes less is more. Trump and Christie always have plenty to say. But dignity goes deeper.
Another RINO.
Too short a CV and what there is is underwhelming and/or troublesome. Not a rocket I'd get onto. Maybe youse should stop running around in panic and terror glomming onto the most sub-optimal solutions in fear.
It is NEVER too late for a peacemaker to appear, Honey. Somewhere there is someone who remembers that old bit of doggeral we used to sing long ago in my high school choir when we actually believed the words ., " Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me" Maybe that someone will remember them too and take them to heart.
Your "handle" reminds me of an old English proverb: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Flies represent your goals. Honey stands for agreeable things that you do to achieve your goals. You can win people to your side more easily by gentle persuation than by hostile confrontation.
Gentle persuasion is not much in favor these days. The frustration we all feel with a country seemingly going crazy seems to require hostile confronataion but that doesn't seem to be working too well. Time perhaps to try some honey.
Good question. There does seem to be a deafening Republican silence. I actually left messages with our local organization offering to volunteer and they never returned my calls. Everything in the D.C. political seems to have a "cloaking device" that leaves "we the people" having to guess at what the reality actually is. And, then there is the DNC lie machine. Defeating the DNC will buy us time but until that happens?
I continue to believe the capitalism vs. communism diatribe is a trap. The DNC/Davos crowd is certainly past it. Their CCP based image of the 15 minute city/euthanasia on demand/ thought crime prosecution/ surveillance model has European's rioting in mass against the EU. (The destruction in France is mind boggling.) The world thinks swinging to the "right" will escape the inhuman sterility of the totalitarian "left" but, is international criminal finance not playing both ends against the middle?
The force destabilizing our Republic is the bad social/financial policy emanating from a Federal Government captured and controlled by rigged game financier's. Right now most of the psyop and assault on "we the people" and the Constitution is the battle over control of the electronic platform's that filter's the flow of idea's and the conversation that make's up our national dialogue. The financier's themselves, top heavy in wealth, don't invest in business and infrastructure. A look at the violence and decay in the heart's of our major cities pretty much confirm's that their action's destroy it. Big Tech ownership, probably out of the desire to survive, is making itself a complicit partner in the creation of a surveillance state. Shouldn't our real vision of the American future be the break-up of Big Tech and its reduction to a utility? Likewise, the heavy regulation and taxation of monopolistic monster's like Blackrock and Vangard who manipulate our supply chains and corrupt our elected political leadership. Our train wreck of the week, collapsing bridges and highways, shi't in the street downtown's say it's time for the money to flow the other way. This is neither capitalism or socialism. It's just the common sense solution that would allow America to begin a return to the "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" it deserves.
The word "Capitalism" was a pejorative in origin and remains a pejorative. Corporatism and Socialism are the same thing; witness Ford and Fiat contributing to industrialisation in the Soviet Union and American "Capitalists" contributing to the Nazi indusrial economy. Take away the labels and just concentrate on describing Nazism, Fordism, Fascism, and Communism and you will find those descriptions converging. The same goes for our contemporary "isms". It is all the SAME nonsense on stilts.
Yep.
If truth/fact based subscription journalism didn't have the tiny toe hold it does there would have been no Twitter Files. DNC behavior during the Taibbi/Shellenberger Congressional hearings made it clear that the lie felt the blow. I watched a German film on Hanna Arendt and her reporting on the Eichmann trials last evening. The abdication of individual moral responsibility by the German people led to their submission to the Reich and ultimately the destruction of Europe. The little fire we're trying to kindle here is important. America, and the world, has entered a new age. I already support more truth/fact based journalist's than I can keep up with. But, there are good people doing the work and they deserve the support. I'm trying to see with new eye's even though the story we're witnessing is as old as time. Besides, we all know, nobody get's out alive. Glad you're there. Keep on rockin'.
Interesting post, Mike.
Anyone who has read the Trans Leviathan would agree with you that the "capitalism vs. communism diatribe is a trap" and that the "force destabilizing our Republic is the bad social/financial policy emanating from a Federal Government captured and controlled by rigged game financier's":
https://pitt.substack.com/p/lets-read-the-transgender-leviathan
See also:
https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market
Also, euthanasia is big in Canada... which has no free speech - just like the state of MI which just passed a law criminalizing "misgendering". Who has name changes/new "identities" outside of cults? (And made up things like optional pronouns?). After the MI thing I especially appreciated Tucker Carlson's Episode 8:
‘Fat Guy In A Costume’: Tucker Carlson Mocks Rachel ‘Rick’ Levine For Pushing Trans Ideology https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/30/tucker-carlson-rachel-levine-trans-ideology/
Make specific teaching unions illegal. I'm not against workers organising; I am against what has been glommed on by activists/collectivists/nihilists. Like the organisations representing the constabulary in the UK, such for teachers need specific rules to keep them non-partisan and non-ideological.
LP, you really nailed it! Your diagnosis is perfect, not sure the prescription is adequate, but what else can we do?
Yes to everything you posted-I certainly couldn’t have said it better
and you realize that there are large factions of the democratic party that would label you evil. I guess I'm the kid in the playground watching two irrational bullies fight and decide I really dont have to pick either side
The left labels anyone who disagrees with them as evil. The definition of a racist is anyone who wins an argument with a leftist. You can substitute xenophobe, homophobe, fascist for racist.
"The left" "them" "they". These broad brush stereotyping charecterizations dont help we Americans move the coversation forward. For sure it applies to some leftlies, I've for sure experienced it myself however I wouldn't use your language to describe all left leaners. To the credit of the article we get some research stats on your very ascertaion.
I can document everything I post. Can you?
Hmmm...I see that little bridge payback hit paydirt.
The world outside the Great Metropolis was delightfully amused at how much havoc a few traffic cones could cause.
You know, of course, that someone could have gotten out of their car and moved them.
I love to see the breadcrumbs of society finally be able to string a few words into something reasonably coherent--well done Burner. It is too bad it is nothing but whataboutism and gaslighting. Not too late to get back on that train, man.
The only people who think Jerseyites are cool and make good candidates? Apparently Burners and other Jerseyites. Good luck!
The breadcrumbs of society?? really??? who do you think you are? Have you ever met any these people?… Why in the world would you call them the breadcrumbs of society? What makes you so different or more special from anyone else here?? your comment is incredibly ill mannered and rude
Still failing reading comprehension, little guy?
Behave Running Man.
"If Trump is the nominee, Biden walks in - maybe a landslide."
Lol. 2015 called and wants its punditry back.
I think you overestimate the number of xanax-addled NPR listeners. But perhaps the democrats can muster a 2024 summer race riot to get their base motivated...
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Your use of the p word disgusts me. You’re done.
Take two xanax and call your shrink in the morning, sweetie. Pussy is what makes the world go round. We all know that. I think you might have some "issues".
This is a fluff piece that tells me nothing new. whenever I see Republicans attacking trump ( often for good reason) I cannot help but marvel how the dems never attack their own and in fact will avoid discussing ( of distorting) the facts when it comes to a failed policy ( inflation , the border etc) . No matter how ineffective or destructive the policy or the use of trumpian language to destroy the other side they circle the wagons and allow the MSM to run effective interference for them. Whether you like them or not , you have to respect their ability to focus on the prize which in politics is winning
Except, Michael, the MSM (propaganda arm of the WOKE Left) is crucifying RFK Jr., and they totally ignored Bernie!
The Left is appalled RFK Jr. is “daring to run against a sitting President of his own Democrat Party” and they say, “He is the greatest threat to Democracy” (Hello, isn’t that what you screeched about Trump?!)
Must mean the WOKE Left fears RFK Jr., mainly because he’s agreeing with Trump on the border, the economy & the war with Russia!
They WILL eat their own if they dare go against their narrative!
Please resend to me my "screech." about threats to democracy ( a phrase that is idiotic on its face and has yet to bd defined by those who toss it around with no conception of what they mean or object to).There are many reasons the media does not like and wants to silence Kennedy. Part is vaxx stuff and part is to silence anyone on the left who questions Biden and his failed policies etc. I try to be consistent in my posts here and elsewhere. I am of the view that Trump did a lot of good things but his personality is a big problem. You are free to defend him and his antics. And I am free to criticize same. As many have noted here and elsewhere, I am looking for someone who can win in 24. I do not believe that person is Trump. Again you may feel otherwise.
BORROWING YOUR "REPLY" MICHAEL. (Thank you.)
A thought on the coming election: The force driving both sides remains undefined. It exists outside human moral reason and conscience because it is able to ignore the adverse human consequence's of its own action's. It is pathological not political and exploits the ideological without belief in any specific ideology. It can rationalize any expediency but is able to escape the landscape of the reality it foster's. One can intuitively feel its' presence but can only glimpse it in the destruction it leaves behind. It is able to totally adapt and insinuate itself into any human reality without the human recognizing the intrusion. It is able to distort the human experience of time and truth while hiding in plain sight. It can weep on demand and speak of hope and virtue while planning the slaughter of the innocent. The present is always defined by its personal past and prologue to its control of the future. Its best intention's spring from nearsighted self-interest and poison all human discourse. It devour's the young, cast no reflection in the mirror, waste's all natural resource's and is willing to employ the firestorm to ensure the control of human destiny.-----------Knock knock--who's there?
Also, totally agree w you on Trump in ‘24!
NO Michael - NOT your screech! Sry. should have been clearer … I was referring to MSM😐
@Michael I hear ya. I am a political independent who searches constantly for traditional Dem writers who criticize their own. Sadly I have no go-to writer. Dems need their own Lincoln Project (Roosevelt Project?). I once emailed Kevin D Williamson this Q. His reply? "Please let me know when you find one"
Thanks for the chuckle. And where is Kevin these days?
Michael, listen to or watch interviews of RFK Jr. with Joe Rogan, Tucker , or a YouTube Town Hall hosted by a visibly hostile Elizabeth Vargas!
I listened to the entire Joe Rogan RFK Jr podcast and watched about 1/3 of it. I concluded if RFK Jr was Dem nominee vs Trump in yet another "lesser of two evils choice" general election, I would not be able to vote for either ... again. Fortunately for me the 2016 Libertarian ticket was the best ticket so I could cast a ballot without holding my nose.
Bruce, as much as I agree with you on many things, this is not one of them. Christie deserves his few minutes in the spotlight so that we can see his flaws and his strengths. Do I think he can win? No, of COURSE not! But saying that he doesn't, or shouldn't, be given a platform is just plain wrong.
Oh yeah, I forgot to say that I wouldn't vote for him anyway!
No, Christie does not. He was great in 2009 and then tried to be Judas in 2016/7 and now again. He is being paid by the republican precisely to bitch about Trump, nothing more.
Time is a really precious commodity, why waste any of it on Christie.
He 'deserves' nothing. Any attention he receives is down to who chooses to give it to him. Since TFP is a paid news platform, those of us who pay should be allowed to point out when we feel that Bari and Co's limited time is being used on subjects or people that we are not interested in.
There are far more interesting candidates with platforms that actually have a semblance of substance some of us would rather Bari spend time on.
Thank you Bruce I don’t need to read this column. I went straight to the comments to check, yours was first so thank you again!
I did the same, Skinny -- so thank you, Skinny, and thank you, Bruce, for saving me time.
Same here
I'm not sure Skinny,Lara and Gratful that allowing Bruce to decide for you whether Christie is worth listening to is a good idea. One hundred others agree with you, it seems.
. Yes, Bruce, is always an interesting and often amusing read BUT since we so often criticize the low information, ignorant, deplorables who put TRump into the WH, I wonder whether all of us who plan to vote for anyone, shouldn't spend the vew minutes it takes to go right to the source and decide for ourselves. After all, even Bruce has his biases and I am not sure that his would necessarily be mine.
As to our valuable time being wasted - Bari let's us listen rather than read so you can listen while you are eating breakfast or brushing your teeth.
It didn't waste my time. Christie is as viable a candidate for president as anyone else running, and his polling numbers at this stage matched Trump in the first election. He's as deserving of an interview here as RFKj or any other declared candidate.
My only issue, which I laid out elsewhere, was that it's fine to read the Trump-bashing, I wanted a lot more questions about how Christie intends to govern if elected. Including, yes, "why were you such a dick on Bridgegate?"
Christie is a known commodity and most Republicans will not vote for him, no less independents. He is a crass opportunist.
Yes, he is.
Where does Christie stand on inflation, immigration, censorship, the pursuit of "equity" over competence? Bari did a good job challenging him on his hypocrisy around supporting Trump, but what about Trump's policies and Supreme Court picks?
It's clear Christie's an unprincipled opportunist desperately trying to stay in the spotlight. If anti-Trumper Republicans want a credible candidate, let them run Mitt Romney again. At least he seems sincere, not like this blowhard and bully.
I remember Christie buddying up to President Obama, which was enough to disgust me.
It's too bad that you view Christie's visit with Obama through such a lens; Christie was trying to do the best for New Jerseyans.
That was at the height of the 2012 election and was a kick in crotch of the Party nominee, Romney, because Christie was passed over from VP. A spiteful fool who stabs fellow Rs on both ends of the spectrum, first Romney and now Orange Man.
Are you aware of why Christie was lauding Obama? It sounds like you cannot believe that a politician may actually exhibit gratitude.
Really, which politician is that?
Bruce, That's just unkind. I'm sure you're better than that. Christie was wrong to use that beach house while others were denied access to their local beaches. And the bridge fiasco was, indeed, vengeful. But Christie's been bullied enough about his weight. We all have our weaknesses, and Christie just does not have a svelte body type to begin with. Governor Murphy was wrong when he, at this inauguration party, posed with a life sized cut out of Christie at the beach, mocking his size. Is this what we want to teach our children? btw, Governor Christie was the first Governor in the United States to sign important Dyslexia legislation.
I'm about 14 hours late on this one, holiday weekend at all.
But seriously, Bruce, don't you think the wretched afternoon Christie spent on that beach that so disturbs you is matched by Trump's three hour sojourn he took while he watched the TV entertainment of his rabid supporters trash the Capitol on Jan 6 looking for his Vice President's head? (Of course what they would have done with it is anybody's guess - I don't think the average IQ in that crowd was on the high side).
And on the back stabbing - ask the hundred or so contractors Trump totally screwed in Jersey as he bankrupted his companies three times. Or the poor minions who enrolled in his fake university. (yeah, yeah - they got a small settlement) But that's ok, it's capitalism.
I guess that's the American way.
And sycophant? Oh boy. Let's see. Trump on bended knee to Putin in Helsinki doing service on him. Does that suffice?
Somebody better tear into that opportunistic charlatan - and if it's Christie - so be it..
A friend who has a similar unhinged hatred of Trump remarked to me before the election that "if he had the choice between voting for Trump or a pile of shit, he'd vote for the pile of shit."
Now after 2 1/2 years of Biden's misgovernance, racial division, corruption, and general senile imbecility, I pointed out to him that he got his wish.
But the beach?
Your hatred of Christie is over that? That’s a lot of animosity over a pile of sand..
Think about it for a second. Enjoying a vast expanse of sand and sea that you deny your subjects. That's the mindset of a Mideast Potentate or Nicolae Ceascescu or Kim Jong Un. Not an elected public "servant." 100% disqualifying.
Who we are is oft expressed in one act. But, with Christie, it wasn't just one act. Yet that one stunningly tone deaf and imperious gesture alone spoke volumes about his unfitness.
When I refer to your three examples I see the state murdering its citizens for imagined crimes. Not a day denied on a beach. No matter. Christie was probably tone deaf there, but hey, so was Trump when he boasted how he could do whatever he wanted with women because of his celebrity. But since be lowered taxes, that’s forgiven. Christie is owed the same, imo.
I didn't see Trump's comment so much as a boast (but who knows with him) as a comment on the type of women who prostrate themselves before rock stars, athletes and other celebrities. Or vote for people such as Gavin Newsome based solely on his looks.
TDS Bruce!
There appears to be a lot of BDS on this site as well. So let’s call it a draw..
You forgot the gas tax.
I wish he focused that much wrath on Biden.
Exactly!!!
Um, how about focusing on some principle? Biden, Trump, Christie, who really cares about the names...being led down this puerile path of he said/she said bullshit.
He's not running against Biden, he's seeking the Republican nomination.
But it should be his ultimate goal. Someone should remind him that Jared Kushner…even though a bit unsavory…has a legitimate business. Was he trying to compare it with things Hunter is accused of?
Think he’d have a better chance if he focused on Biden.
Exactly!
“In 2016, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie was one of 17 Republicans in a crowded field trying to beat Donald Trump. We all know how that movie ended. One of the hard-won lessons of the 2016 primary, especially among Republicans, was that it was foolish not to unite right away behind the strongest candidate. If they had done that, perhaps Trump wouldn’t have been the nominee and then the president”.
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Bari Weiss
Good grief. It’s not a movie. There is no producer or director like in your party. It’s a process. And what you refer to as a mistake produced a winner who advocated and implemented excellent policies. Christies should have been asked why he opposed someone with such an excellent record or perhaps why he talks as incoherently and nonsensically about Trump as you do.
The personal attacks are childish and odious.
How quickly everyone forgets. While we bathe in massive inflation and gas prices over $5/gal in many places, let's take a little time to remember:
Complete US energy independence, with export of energy to the rest of the world.
$2/gal gasoline.
Lowest female unemployment in 50 years
Lowest black unemployment in history.
Built The Wall over Congress' objections, with massive reduction in illegal invasion at the southern border
Signed an order requiring federal agencies to identify two regulations for elimination for every new one proposed. They responded by in many cases by identifying twenty.
Massive monetary inflows into the Average Guy's 401K and other retirement vehicles, with new stock market highs not only every week, but sometimes every day.
The first REAL (after inflation) wage increase for the middle class in over fifty years.
That is just skimming the surface. The surface of the surface. I can't wait to have him back, mean tweets and all. And if he'll select Kari Lake as his running mate - and shut his mouth and let her do the talking - we can have it.
And any true conservative has to thank Trump for winning in 2016 and being able to remake the Supreme Court. If Crooked won we would have a far left 6-3 SC that would rubber stamp the leftist agenda. That is Trump’s lasting legacy.
His other legacy is exposing the hypocrisy of the R establishment.
Just this week the Koch team announced a $70 ml spend to “stop Trump”. How much of those type of funds is Christie receiving? He is a political prostitute, period.
I agree that Trump’s biggest accomplishment was adding 3 justices to the Supreme Court. But while he’s not currently in vogue, I think you have to give Mitch McConnell a ton of credit for steering all three (and stonewalling Merrick Garland) through the confirmation process.
Yes but McConnell’s move was pointless unless a R won the Presidency. McC set the scenario but Trump delivered.
To be fair, any true conservative has to thank Trump for losing the Senate and the Red Trickle in 2020. He actually came to Iowa and said Kim Reynolds - a very popular governor who turned a purple state red - wouldn't have won without his endorsement.
We can have it all again, please bring the MAGA man back America was at her best with all those policies. We are a banana Republic today, and for Gods sake how was this man currently in the WH elected to the WH? If ever, there has been a time to question an election, 2020 was that time, are we going to allow 2024 to be the same I’m praying everyday that it’s not going to happen again. If you want to listen to a really good podcast do Joe Rogan and RFKennedy. Robert tells you what Brandon thought of all the steel President Trump bought and had delivered to finish the wall it’s still lying on the ground rotting, with a flimsy bit of rubbish fence authorized by Joe (idiot) Biden, which has gaps so wide whole continents can come into America I think we all deserve better than this red or blue, black or white. And by the way Jim an excellent post keep it up!🇺🇸
Skinny, the MSM is labeling RFK Jr “The greatest threat to Democracy” even worse than Trump! The WOKE Left will eat their own if anyone dares go against their narrative! RFK Jr has definitely pissed them off when he compliment Trump’s handling of the Border, AND agreeing with Trump on ending the war with Russia + no more war, period”
I’ll second that… we need to stop making emotional arguments when it comes to voting for people… Does anybody remember Bill Clinton and all of his personal problems they were legion… Kennedy… what about the Bushes? They certainly had their share… Did people vote for them? Yes… were where we are now? No… he’s certainly can’t rewrite history today although many people are trying… We can make better choices in 2024… This isn’t it… I don’t care who this group puts up… This is not the democratic party my grandparents and my parents participated in… No thanks
Yes, Jim, “but, but, but Orange Man Bad” and, of course, he wasn’t a “peacemaker like Biden”
Besides, the MSM (propaganda arm of the WOKE Left) points out that “the Emperor really does have clothes on ... who are you gonna believe ... your lying eyes, or what WE tell you” ???!!!
Fauci.
Vaccines that don't prevent transmission of the disease.
Trillion-dollar deficits, even before covid.
A whole cast of cabinet appointments that he himself condemned as among the worst ever when they did not do something he wanted.
Evidently a very cavalier attitude toward national security secrets.
I voted for him in 2020 and I will vote for him again if he is the nominee, but we can do much better.
Now, that is an absolutely well thought out comment… It’s not emotional, and it has perspective… Thinking person’s comment… Not a person driven by their emotions
Who?
We can? Name that person.
Ron DeSantis
Probably Vivek Ramaswamy, although he would be more difficut to elect in the general.
I see Vivek as working in a DeSantis administration.
All the sweetness, likability, and good works don't mean a thing if you can't get elected.
Average as of June 30, 2023 (edited for display clarity)
Trump 51.8%
DeSantis 23.5%
Pence 6.7%
Haley 3.9%
Ramaswamy 3.8%
Scott 3.7%
Christie 2.7%
Hutchinson 1.2%
Burgum 0.2%
Suarez 0.0%
Tim Scott.
Well said Terrence. No discussion of Christie’s policy proposals or critique of Trump’s. Christie is a Bush republican - endless wars, ever expanding security state powers to the feds, and a life long feeder at the government trough. And now, just another deep state attack dog trying desperately to get back in its good graces. Christie is the one who recommended Wray to Trump for FBI director and unfortunately for the country, Trump took his advice. I wish Bari would have asked him if he and Wray are still pals
"a life long feeder at the government trough"
Mostly this
And other troughs
Is it wrong to laugh at this?
No. It is the correct response
So well posted Terence. Everybody seems to think Biden/Harris are a shoo in, I’m praying not, I can think of nothing worse. Another 4 years of this will be the death of all of us right and left.
I’m with Jim… All I know is our country is better off and safer from 2016 to 2020… Everyone was… What does happen from 2020 until today is abhorrent.. the rhetoric is unnecessary… Under no circumstances will have it for four more years of this… That would be an emotional decision… I do not let my emotions guide my judgment… I do not live by my feelings… thinking is not the same as feeling… we need to learn to tolerate different perspectives, even if we don’t agree… Then go in the voting booth by yourself and pull the lever using your best judgment… Stop letting your emotions lead you around by your nose…
The personal attacks may be ‘childish and odious’ but Christie is merely positioning himself for what he believes (and many others..) is what is next in store for dear Donald. This month or next he could well be indicted in Georgia. At that point he will exclaim: do Republicans want a leader who is THREE times indicted? With another to come re Jan 6 later?
And then it’s going to get entertaining..
It depends upon who is indicting him and for what. The first two are clear instances of Democratic election interference, and any from GA or DOJ (1/6 hoax) are the same.
Exactly Mike, Lee doesn’t like President Trump. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see what is going to happen if we gave another 4 years of this administration. The Democrats will pack the courts, allow abortions up until 9 months plus birth, allow children to freely transgender without allowing therapy or parent intervention in fact removing the kids from their parents if the parents say no, the shit show we all witnessed on the WH lawn for pride month was disgusting. Why would any American want to live in a country like this. It’s so un-American and foreign to us all.
Pack the courts? I have to laugh. Conservatives have a 6-3 margin at the SC. And recent decisions reflect that (some not so bad). And that margin might stay that way for the next fifteen years. You should look at the glass half full instead of half empty. Things aren’t so bad.
But you can do better than Trump..
But that’s just me..
Talk about election interference:
So Trump asks a Republican Sec of State in a state run by Republicans to find close to twelve thousand votes in an already certified election. In other words, it's over. It's done.
If Trump were a smart man, and you probably think he is, then he had to know that the only way Georgia's Sec of State were to 'find' them would be to just conjure them up, and to find an excuse, any kind of excuse, to justify it. Maybe in Trump's world, you can do that. But in the real world?
Election interference is when government agencies conspire to cover up misdeeds of a candidate and his family thus insuring the results they want.
So I guess what Trump, Giuliani et all wanted to do after the certified results in Georgia, looking for votes and alternate electors, that was normal?
Nope. I definitely do not condone it. Trump was getting desperate. 4 years of investigations, unfair impeachment, etc might do that to someone.
https://twitter.com/mbs_ctt/status/1673853079320510469/photo/1
Why did it happen only in those exact states?
I tried to get on. But twitter doesn't like me..
If you don't think there is something dubious about the last US Presidential Election, I've got this bridge... What an idiot.
His candor is refreshing but as a life-long Jerseyite I can attest that he left office with the lowest poll numbers of any governor in history. He didn’t need to negotiate with the other side because the NJ governor has more leeway than most of his counterparts in other states, and he used it to his advantage. Like single-handedly appointing judges (judges and DA’s are not elected in NJ), one of whom was highly regarded by both sides but he didn’t reappoint because of something her husband did that miffed the governor. And “Bridgegate” where he ordered the closure of the busiest bridge in the country, creating commuter and environmental hell for a week because the mayor of nearby FT. Lee didn’t award a contract to one of Christie’s cronies. And halting the construction of a desperately-needed tunnel under the Hudson River to give the appearance that he was cutting costs (even though it was heavily subsidized by the federal government) that in hindsight could have prevented subsequent fatal accidents and delays, and is now being built at a higher cost to taxpayers.
He was an effective prosecutor and should go back to his day job.
And the gas tax!
Don't be a lazy writer, Bari Weiss. We know who Trump is, but WTF is "Trumpism"? Care to define it for us? Or is it just your lazy, elitist (yes, you are one of them) attitude searching for a different way of calling lots of American's Deplorables or Ultra MAGA Republicans?
I do not think you've "evolved" your thinking much since be3ing run out of the NYT.
I think everyone needs to evolve ... by countering ideas, not attacking people.
I think you might need to mature a bit if you think my comment was an "attack". It was a call out, a challenge if you will. Apparently some others think the same thing. For my monthly fee I get to make such calls.
Yes, but you look like a fool.
You’re missing a very important part of this story which is the Christie/Kushner angle.
Christie prosecuted Jared’s father, Charlie—a well-known, maniacal real estate developer— for tax evasion and witness tampering. Charlie went so far as to set up his brother-in-law with a prostitute, videotaped them together and sent the tapes to his sister in the hopes of silencing her husband. Charlie went to jail for several years.
Jared never forgot that and kept Christie from getting the position he wanted in Trump’s administration. That is one of the reasons for Christie’s current hatred of Trump.
And no love lost between the two.
Bari started the Free Press… she’s a journalist… I repeat a journalist, not a Talking Head…. This column is great about different perspectives… We need to learn to tolerate listen and discern between the message and the Messenger… we need to get back to some perspective in the United States… Since 2016, we’ve been on the slow slide down to intolerance… It was always there, but it’s a lot worse now… we’re adults not children… We need to get a grip on our emotions in this country… It seems like social media has given people an opportunity to rant in ways they would never rant when they were in front of someone else.. there is a lot to be said for good manners and common courtesy… Even if it’s online… It doesn’t make a difference… You should be the same person, no matter where you are… most of us have been raised with better manners, than we’re demonstrating today
Finally, someone that wants to hear other thoughts and opinions. As things develop I hope I can count on TFP for more interviews from other thoughts provoking contributors be they canadates or not.
Unfortunately, internet courage is strong stuff...
She’s biased af.
"I came to the conclusion after his presidency that he could never be president again." Fortunately, We the People get to decide the next President, not Bridgegate Christie. Anyone with any brain cells left would be uniting with others to send the creature currently in the White House packing. I would vote for a blade of grass over Biden, or any one in the republican field, except for Christie.
Christie would be a great candidate as a Democrat. He could run as the middle of the road candidate that Biden was supposed to be. He could control the crazy progressives and run aggressively against Trump. I think he might get the D nomination if he changed parties.
As people used to say, he couldn’t get elected as a dog catcher in a Republican primary.
Don’t forget “principled republican”John Kasich, who sounds exactly like a democrat on pretty much everything
The Democrats would never choose Christie. The Power Behind The Throne don’t want someone with a mind of his own. Biden is their perfect boy.
Not a snowball’s chance in hell.
"CC: I don’t think we’ve determined who the strongest horse is yet. The campaign has barely started, and I’ve only been in it for three weeks." - Again, as it relates to 90% of the current candidates and specifically the GOP field, a more accurate statement would be "who is the least lame horse that may be able to cross the finish line ahead of the others". What is it about politics in the last 15-20 years that allows the worst emotionally, spiritually, and psychologically mature individuals to commit to lives of "service" in our government? Christie comes off as angry, self-absorbed, and emotionally immature to me - so in essence, a younger, heavier version of Trump.
DeSantis is obviously the strongest horse. And, more importantly, the best mind and most principled candidate with the best chance of defeating the “Democrats” puppet.
I wish we could get Trump off the stage so more people could see that what you say is true. Trump gets all the attention, and he's every bit as bad as Christie says he is.
Is this in policy or persona?
Lovely man with a truly beautiful family, a navy seal and a lawyer to boot. The Democrats will eat him for breakfast, lunch and dinner. So no 2024 not for him maybe 2028.
Skinny, will we EVER get a Republican/Independent/Moderate Democrat elected again??
Remember, Biden hid in his basement and got 81 million votes. THE most popular President in the history of America ... I truly fear BlackRock & The Powers That Be (et al) will never give up control.
Yip HD we are doomed even with Lee’s half full glass. Blackrock, Vanguard, Google,Facebook, Microsoft/Gates etc, “WE HAVE BEEN CAPTURED” so it doesn’t matter who we vote for those vicious humans have already written the script.
And just how will the Dems eat him for anything?? They WILL eat Trump. They already have. No way Trump can win. DeSantis will easily beat Biden. Trump is DOA.
If DeSantis is the strongest horse that doesn’t bode well for America. DeSantis has managed to piss off the Mouse, alienate unpaid civil servants, and takes a radical position on Women’s Reproductive Rights that is out of step with the majority of the country.
Yes.
I agree with a Bruce. You waste our time with someone who won’t even be on the debate stage because he has such little support?
Meanwhile the grift piles higher and deeper with the bidens and ……..crickets.
Trump is ahead in the polls now, but so was Hillary Clinton at one time.
And Howard Deen. And Jeb Bush. And Rick Perry. And Rudy Giuliani. And Michelle Bachman.
Don't get me wrong. I’m for DeSantis. I wish Trump would be a statesman and withdraw, but that’s not going to happen. So it’s going to be a circus.
I just think the promise and the premise of the FP or common sense is getting lost. I subscribed because it was supposed to highlight news overlooked or covered (with a blanket so it smothers) by NBCCBSABCNPRNYTWaPoPBS and increasingly the gnus pages of the WSJ. Instead, as others have pointed out, it’s the markles or this junk, or a lot of the other stuff published here. It’s like it’s become a home for those pieces the Atlantic won’t run.
I don’t need to pay to have the FP run cover for the dems and the left. I can get that anywhere. And I don’t think every article has to be about Trump or stop Trump or Trump snark.
That’s the Media for you, they are all a bunch of rubbish.
I would have a question for Christie: what are his thoughts on Jonathan Karl and George Stephanopoulos? Are they straight journalists giving us the news, or are they propagandists for the democratic party and the government? I will always vote for Trump over Christie because Christie will have his lips puckered up to the ass of those two and the media. They are the enemy, not Trump. For me, when you kowtow to the narrative being shoved down our throats, you can never change anything. How does Chris make his money now? If its from this TV work or speaking fees, we know why he is in.
1. My dad died in 1995. Dad has a better chance of winning the nomination than Chris Christie.
2. I like Chris Christie, quite a lot. Reason being....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqRY2Wad4D8
Well your dad could certainly vote for Christie. Mine as well. Instead they’ll most likely vote democrat, twice.
Remember, Unwoke, “Vote early & often” 😉
🤣🤣🤣
To complete the circle, they’ll vote Kennedy.
It's nice to see a candidate actually engaging someone directly rather than mouthing scripted platitudinous boilerplate and sloughing off real criticism. Christie's "facts" in this particular article aren't really disputable. What's weird is the idea that you ought to be able to pass a law like Social Security, operate it for generations, (then foolishly start paying out to more people and to a larger extent than it was designed for,) but when it becomes indisputably on the brink of bankruptcy, decide it was really an insurance program that people can't expect to recover their money from unless they suffer a disaster.
Can you imagine Biden's response if subjected to a similar scenario as shown with Christie in the video link above?
"C'mon man!" (walks away)
Actually its more like mumble mumble mumble (wanders away)
For THE 1st time I can honestly say, I don't know who is in charge, but it's Not Joe Biden.
I haven't always Liked/Supported who was President, BUT I could always say He's In Charge. Oh he sits in the Oval Office, He rides on AF 1, they play Hail To The Chief when he walks in the room....but hes not In Charge.
No, Steve, he is not in charge! His handlers control the White House.
I remember Obama saying he wished he could have a 3rd term, so he could implement more of what he started ... then he said (I’m paraphrasing) the next best thing would be to have someone elected that I could help/control/work thru.
TaDa!
You said it, I didn't. Though I MAY have thought it.
Nope he is definitely not in charge in fact the poor man is not a full box.
"It's nice to see a candidate actually engaging someone directly rather than mouthing scripted platitudinous boilerplate and sloughing off real criticism. Christie's "facts" in this particular article aren't really disputable."
Oh he got in All Kinds Of Trouble over this. Thing is he was correct, and its worse today. I spent my working life on the factory floor making Stuff (Very blue collar, lower middle class). Social Security alone $2,100 every month. I Gross what I used to Net when I was working, and spending less.
“Trends that can't continue, won't.” — Herbert Stein.
Same here on paying into it for over forty years without any choice. And while self-employed paying twice as much- the real rate is over 16%. Forcing employers to pay half of it doesnt actually come out of their pocket. It just reduces what they can pay you, but hides the real rate from workers.
Bari,
Don’t waste your time with Christie, he doesn’t understand why someone would be hellbent to vote for Trump. We get it: Trump’s brash, loud, looks funny, posts seemingly inappropriate things (that almost always end up true and necessary), thin skinned and conceited. But he says what we’re thinking, has common sense and great instincts. He’s too rich to be purchased. And he does what he says. He’s not perfect. He made some big mistakes with Covid, vaccines, trusting the wrong people, hiring, signed stupid spending bills, etc. He’s loyal to a fault, literally and sometimes in a bad way. Trump, to the best of his ability, did exactly what he said he’d do. And he’s being unfairly politically prosecuted (if they can go after a president, they can go after me [Jan 6, 36,000 new IRS agents]).
America First (MAGA) is bigger than Trump. It’s manufacturing on US soil, creating a real economy based on jobs and products. It’s immigration based on assimilation (the melting pot that we’ve always been), and upholding traditional American values. It’s keeping tax dollars in America to help our veterans, disabled and elderly. It’s not about nation building in other countries, trying to “Americanize” them or spread democracy around the world. It’s common sense spending, small government and no more deficits. It’s maintaining sovereignty at our borders, our land ownership and our trading. But Trump gets that, he put it together.
Chris Christie doesn’t get that. Neither does Pence, Desantis, Scot, Hailey or the rest. They never did. You don’t either.
DeSantis does. That’s why Trump is taking after him so hard. And it’s why the press hates him because he’s normal
Desantis “gets” what his big corporate overseers, Jeb! and Paul Ryan tell him to “get.”
Nice parroting the Trump talking point. Hey, Trump the billionaire needs another donation. Hop to
Oh, no no no. Trump doesn’t get credit! I get credit. No one figured out Desantis for me, but me.
Loyal?