For this week’s Honestly, we’re sharing a favorite episode from a favorite podcast, one you may not have heard of: UnHerd with Freddie Sayers. UnHerd’s mission is similar to ours: to push back against the herd mentality, and to provide a platform for otherwise unheard ideas, people, and places.
Andrew Sullivan’s argument is: “He said he was going to be a tyrant in 2016, but then when he had the opportunity, he didn’t do it. But this time he definitely will!” Got it.
I listened to Andrew list of all the awful things about Trump that he was so sure would happen but didn’t during his presidency and kudos for that. Then he listed off all the things he was sure would happen during a second Trump presidency without any awareness that if he was so wrong the first time about so many things, odds are he’s wrong this time too. All the people like Andrew who were also sure how a Biden presidency would go have been spectacularly wrong about that too. Maybe have some self reflection about why no one takes your warnings seriously. The boy who cried wolf and all that.
I appreciated listening to Andrew Sullivan vomit Rachael Maddow talking points. He re-“affirmed” my view that it wasn’t Trump that brought chaos in 2016; rather, it was the decapitated elites flailing about in search of their golden roosts.
What a total waste of time. Want to understand Trump and the Trump Voters do not listen to this drivel. Sullivan clearly does not live in the real world and can not tolerate any thing outside of his little east coast bubble of liberal elites.
I get the impression Andrew doesn't listen to what Trump says, he listens to what other people say Trump said. I sincerely do not know why people say he is intelligent or esteemed. Makes my brain hurt.
Sullivan lost me when he said that he doesn't have TDS, but that Trump is deranged. That is LITERALLY the definition of TDS. Seriously dude, get help.
Based on really trying to listening to the discussion, it seems like if only Trump wouldn't destroy the Constitution, everything else he did was awesome (paraphrasing...). Sigh.
When will anti-Trumpers understand (Bill Maher applies here as well), that Trump simply appeals to people that believe they are not listened to. It's not much more complicated than that. For every progressive socialist and every university know-it-all (well, they think so anyway), for every political opponent that believes that their prosecution will be "the one", and for every media pundit that tries to make things more complex and "democracy-ending" about Trump, they fail miserably and he just gets more popular.
The only way to beat Trump is to come up with better candidates that really listen to Americans and have a reasonable plan to, um, make America great again...
Listened to this failed analysis of Trump. Total waste of time. I was expecting a more insightful self-reflection. What we got was “Well I got it wrong the first time but not this time” and “I am a little torn because he did a lot of things right”. As to speak about the rule of law is a joke without referencing Hillary, the mockery of the contrived J6 hearing, Hunter’s laptop, Hunter himself and now POTUS’ retention of classified docs when he did not have a right to them, willful mishandling, etc and not being charged because he is dawdling old man. I understand TFP needs, and we need, insights on our political leaders I do not believe a person with TDS is the correct start.
I don’t ever recall hearing Trump say he would be a dictator and I think if he had said it- dens would have made a million political ads using him saying it.
No one can argue that Trump isn’t a megalomaniac but most politicians have a bit of that- that’s why they seek office. But no mention that Trump has been royally screwed by “the rule of law”. He has had more than his fair share of witch hunts- most notably the woman who accused him of rape but didn’t know when… and he definitely wasn’t tried by a jury of his peers. The interviewer could have at least questioned Sullivan about his take on that. Overall- the interview fell short of the mark
I generally like Andrew Sullivan and think he has smart takes on a lot of things. But boy does he have TDS.
I listened to him say things he said Trump said that were obvious threats to the Constitution, and I don't remember Trump saying those things that way, which makes me think he gets his Trump takes from the liberal media, or his TDS makes him interpret things Trump says in the worst light.
Besides, we have four years of evidence of how Trump will govern. There is no evidence Trump is the authoritarian boogeyman the MSM makes him out to be.
Sorry, I dropped out after 10 minutes. Sullivan is a very silly man.
I’m tired of the lies. Trump delegated to advisors and the states during Covid . We had it great in Florida.
If Fauci had given good advice we would have had a better Covid situation. Fauci knew more than he let on. He had paid for gain of function research at Wuhan through Ecohealth alliance .
The MSM pushed to close down to stop the spread then the MSM lost their minds and pushed to no openings til vaccines were available.
Trump started operation warp speed to get us a vaccine . He did NOT take advantage of the power. Look to ur red states and see . We r fine
LOOK AT WHO GRABBED POWER . Gavin Newsome and the blue states closed churches and schools.
I admit that this was the first and last Bari Weiss podcast for me. Too biased - and this guy learned nothing . Biden is the closest to dictator I’ve seen . He’s an old man yelling at soup
Trump says he will be a tyrant, so he's dangerous and will undermine the rule of law and the Constitution. Obama and Biden said, "I don't have the power to do x," but then they did x, undermining the rule of law and the Constitution, but they're okay because they didn't say that that is what they would do.
I will not vote for Trump or Biden, but as I listened to Sullivan and reflected on the last 15 years, I would definitely vote for Trump over Biden if I had to. At least Trump lets us know how bad he'll be. Biden's controllers are hiding their true intentions.
If this is the kind nonsense that TFP plans on publishing in the quest to report on Trump more then I am hugely disappointed. Please cover Trump fairly. We need that so desperately.
Andrew Sullivan is a coward alarmist… deeply immersed in his conspiracy theories about Trump.
Totally agree with previous comments about AS working on making the exact same mistake about taking Trump at his word that he did in ‘16. Worse than that, he is denigrating Trump for his potential to end the rule of law while ignoring the fact that the current administration and justice department are engaged in blatant lawfare against him while turning a blind eye to the transgressions of their own side. The rule of law is supposed to work the same for all comers.
(Full disclosure-Republican, not a Trump fan)
Bari (I'm a huge fan of yours and the Free Press, so please accept this as constructive criticism) - The interview would have been easier to swallow, had you not given it the headline of "Andrew Sullivan on What he got Wrong".... We listeners kept waiting for him to say WHAT HE GOT WRONG, and it never came. Bring on another writer/pundit who DID in fact get it wrong, and admits it.