Before this is over American taxpayers will have sent 100 billion in printed money and our critical weapons supplies will have been depleted. I’d like to know what we get out of this. OK, we help the Ukrainian people defend themselves, all good. And if we were rolling in cash I’d be cheering. But we are in a recession, we are suffering from inflation from too much printed money. Our savings are evaporating before our eyes. Our people need help.
The best that can be hoped for is a withdrawal of Russian forces. But Putin’s ego and his vision of Russia are on the line. He’s a wounded animal now. He’s not going to surrender. So what then?
It's nuts that the US is supporting the Ukrainians to the extent that we are. Yes, Russia is an invading force and has no right to invade another country. Yes, the war is brutal and horrible (as far as I know, all wars are). Since when, however, should we be giving so much open support to the Ukrainians? During the Cold War, the US would covertly supply militaries and/or paramilitary organizations with arms, but at least we did so covertly. Now, we are openly handing over advanced arms and billions of dollars in aid (God knows if it really gets where it needs to, Ukraine is still a corrupt old-Soviet-bloc country) to the Ukrainians with no thought of how that could impact Russia's response. They are still a nuclear power and I would not be surprised to see Putin use tactical nukes. He is a thug and he will be deposed by his underlings if he can't produce some sort of result from this war.
Meanwhile, we have Joe Biden, who has been wrong on every single foreign policy decision since he's been in elected office, promising support to Ukraine with no strings attached and vague warnings about when military force might be used AND no clear goal in sight as to when supply/aid may cease.
Well honestly I don't care if Ukraine wins of losses. It is not our problem
For last 30 years we Americans have sent trillions of $ abroad, while at same time there was never money for things at home.
Currently we are facing several major crisis in US:
- Healthcare is unaffordable
- Social Security is running out of money
- infrastructure is falling apart
- Student debt crisis
- opioid crisis (killed more Americans than people have died in war in Ukraine )
- Housing crisis (if you are under 30 chances are you will never own home)
- mental health crisis or major cities look like open air mental institutions
- crime is rampant
- inflation is killing middle class (what is left of middle class)
- ballooning debt that we will leave our children
- out of control deficit
these are only ones ot of top of my head
For last 30 years, nothing was done for any of these issues and time is running out. Our politicians are more than willing to send $60+ Billion to one of most corrupt nations in the world, while Americans don't have access to drinking water and basic infrastructure.
So no, honestly I don't care about Ukraine, it is European problem, and Europe is more than rich enough to deal with it. Our founding fathers have warned us exactly about this, why we should not meddle in European problems, we left hat continent with a reason, no need to spend taxpayer $$$ there.
I wish people of Ukraine all luck, but honestly, we Americans need to think about helping ourselves, before it is too late.
This entire article feels like it should have a “brought to you by Lockheed Martin” introduction. It reads like pure propaganda. It stands out to me that A) most Americans don’t understand anything about Ukraine except Big Bad Putin and his “price hikes” B) there’s no discussion of our role in the 2014 coup that happened in Ukraine, and C) the Democratic Party is now a full war supporting entity. When a handful of GOP in congress are the few questioning the war spending, I know we’re in trouble. For four years we were inundated with fears that Trump would start WW3. And here we are, fighting a war with Russia under a career Democrat politician. And the saddest part is if you question the war, you’re labeled a conservative. If we were at war with Russia under Trump, the dems would have impeached him again and the Rachel Maddow’s would want DT charged with war crimes. Instead it’s now patriotic to support a war we don’t clearly benefit from. I just don’t get it.
The people who want to triple the price of everything so that you are poor and desperate for government intervention will be the ones who win this war.
If you see a single mother crying at the grocery store, tell her it’s worth it because we’re
We’re pushing close to spending 100 billion dollars to protect a country that we have ZERO alliances or treaties with, that is not vital to us in any officially recognized way, shape or form, and for what? So Western Europe is protected? The same Western Europe that’s spent the last decade funding the Russian war machine by importing Russian gas? The same Western Europe who hasn’t sent any money to Ukraine since the Spring?
And what’s the plan to deal with the 11 million ethnic Russians living in Ukraine? Why does no one ever talk about them? What’s the plan to heal the very deep wounds the Ukrainian government has inflicted on them in the last 8 years? Kind of hard to move forward as a country when your government has demonized and alienated 18% of the population by banning their language and culture from television and radio.
Ukraine will be able to defend itself until US involvement falls out of fashion and the politicians currently supporting sending 100's of billions to the effort sense a public opinion change then they will do a 180 and act as if they always opposed dumping money into the abyss.
Eventually this will happen, and Russia will take Ukraine.
While this was interesting and highlighted the difficulties of defeating people fighting for their homeland and freedom, I would have much more appreciated an investigation of the reports by - among others, Tucker Carlson - that, at the very beginning of the war, Russia had agreed to total withdrawal in return for Ukraine's pledge not to join NATO. In other words, if true, all the death, casualties and destruction might have been avoided - had not the Biden Administration nixed the deal.
Allow me also to point out that this article puts the lie to Biden's frighteningly idiotic claim that, because our government has F-15s and nukes, a free people can never rise up against it.
For Ukraine to even begin to have a fighting chance the West would have to supply them with fixed wing aircraft, attack helicopters, tanks and so forth. NATO member states have already shelled out billions of dollars in aid to provide artillery and small arms. Is it really realistic to presume that aid in the future would be increased/accelerated to provide that equipment?
At this point the most realistic outcome that does not involve the total dissolution of the Ukrainian state is to trade territory for peace. Supplying even more arms to the Ukrainians is counter productive if it provides them with false hope and delays that resolution.
ESG caused this war. It gave Putin the leverage to try it.
If your emotions tell you to leave the front door open and a grizzly bear walks into your house, it isn’t “pro-grizzly bear” to tell you you’re a moron for leaving the door open and blame you for causing this.
I mean I could blame the grizzly bear…….but it’s a bear.
If you support ESG, go get sterilized immediately.
Before this is over American taxpayers will have sent 100 billion in printed money and our critical weapons supplies will have been depleted. I’d like to know what we get out of this. OK, we help the Ukrainian people defend themselves, all good. And if we were rolling in cash I’d be cheering. But we are in a recession, we are suffering from inflation from too much printed money. Our savings are evaporating before our eyes. Our people need help.
The best that can be hoped for is a withdrawal of Russian forces. But Putin’s ego and his vision of Russia are on the line. He’s a wounded animal now. He’s not going to surrender. So what then?
It's nuts that the US is supporting the Ukrainians to the extent that we are. Yes, Russia is an invading force and has no right to invade another country. Yes, the war is brutal and horrible (as far as I know, all wars are). Since when, however, should we be giving so much open support to the Ukrainians? During the Cold War, the US would covertly supply militaries and/or paramilitary organizations with arms, but at least we did so covertly. Now, we are openly handing over advanced arms and billions of dollars in aid (God knows if it really gets where it needs to, Ukraine is still a corrupt old-Soviet-bloc country) to the Ukrainians with no thought of how that could impact Russia's response. They are still a nuclear power and I would not be surprised to see Putin use tactical nukes. He is a thug and he will be deposed by his underlings if he can't produce some sort of result from this war.
Meanwhile, we have Joe Biden, who has been wrong on every single foreign policy decision since he's been in elected office, promising support to Ukraine with no strings attached and vague warnings about when military force might be used AND no clear goal in sight as to when supply/aid may cease.
Wars are started by fools like this. God help us.
I will have a controversial opinion.
Well honestly I don't care if Ukraine wins of losses. It is not our problem
For last 30 years we Americans have sent trillions of $ abroad, while at same time there was never money for things at home.
Currently we are facing several major crisis in US:
- Healthcare is unaffordable
- Social Security is running out of money
- infrastructure is falling apart
- Student debt crisis
- opioid crisis (killed more Americans than people have died in war in Ukraine )
- Housing crisis (if you are under 30 chances are you will never own home)
- mental health crisis or major cities look like open air mental institutions
- crime is rampant
- inflation is killing middle class (what is left of middle class)
- ballooning debt that we will leave our children
- out of control deficit
these are only ones ot of top of my head
For last 30 years, nothing was done for any of these issues and time is running out. Our politicians are more than willing to send $60+ Billion to one of most corrupt nations in the world, while Americans don't have access to drinking water and basic infrastructure.
So no, honestly I don't care about Ukraine, it is European problem, and Europe is more than rich enough to deal with it. Our founding fathers have warned us exactly about this, why we should not meddle in European problems, we left hat continent with a reason, no need to spend taxpayer $$$ there.
I wish people of Ukraine all luck, but honestly, we Americans need to think about helping ourselves, before it is too late.
This entire article feels like it should have a “brought to you by Lockheed Martin” introduction. It reads like pure propaganda. It stands out to me that A) most Americans don’t understand anything about Ukraine except Big Bad Putin and his “price hikes” B) there’s no discussion of our role in the 2014 coup that happened in Ukraine, and C) the Democratic Party is now a full war supporting entity. When a handful of GOP in congress are the few questioning the war spending, I know we’re in trouble. For four years we were inundated with fears that Trump would start WW3. And here we are, fighting a war with Russia under a career Democrat politician. And the saddest part is if you question the war, you’re labeled a conservative. If we were at war with Russia under Trump, the dems would have impeached him again and the Rachel Maddow’s would want DT charged with war crimes. Instead it’s now patriotic to support a war we don’t clearly benefit from. I just don’t get it.
The authors never define what they mean by "winning."
This war will end when Joe Biden is sure he has destroyed all of the evidence and killed all of the witnesses.
The people who want to triple the price of everything so that you are poor and desperate for government intervention will be the ones who win this war.
If you see a single mother crying at the grocery store, tell her it’s worth it because we’re
“Doin’ it for Donbas!!”
We’re pushing close to spending 100 billion dollars to protect a country that we have ZERO alliances or treaties with, that is not vital to us in any officially recognized way, shape or form, and for what? So Western Europe is protected? The same Western Europe that’s spent the last decade funding the Russian war machine by importing Russian gas? The same Western Europe who hasn’t sent any money to Ukraine since the Spring?
And what’s the plan to deal with the 11 million ethnic Russians living in Ukraine? Why does no one ever talk about them? What’s the plan to heal the very deep wounds the Ukrainian government has inflicted on them in the last 8 years? Kind of hard to move forward as a country when your government has demonized and alienated 18% of the population by banning their language and culture from television and radio.
Can’t really investigate wrongdoing in Ukraine when it is at war. Am I right, folks?
Ukraine will be able to defend itself until US involvement falls out of fashion and the politicians currently supporting sending 100's of billions to the effort sense a public opinion change then they will do a 180 and act as if they always opposed dumping money into the abyss.
Eventually this will happen, and Russia will take Ukraine.
Just ask the schoolgirls in Afghanistan
I’m not sure I want to contribute any more than the $54B in US taxpayers’ dollars already invested for the win.
While this was interesting and highlighted the difficulties of defeating people fighting for their homeland and freedom, I would have much more appreciated an investigation of the reports by - among others, Tucker Carlson - that, at the very beginning of the war, Russia had agreed to total withdrawal in return for Ukraine's pledge not to join NATO. In other words, if true, all the death, casualties and destruction might have been avoided - had not the Biden Administration nixed the deal.
Allow me also to point out that this article puts the lie to Biden's frighteningly idiotic claim that, because our government has F-15s and nukes, a free people can never rise up against it.
Two spooks from a opaque 'think tank' that is wholly sponsored by a single billionaire. Nice work Bari!
For Ukraine to even begin to have a fighting chance the West would have to supply them with fixed wing aircraft, attack helicopters, tanks and so forth. NATO member states have already shelled out billions of dollars in aid to provide artillery and small arms. Is it really realistic to presume that aid in the future would be increased/accelerated to provide that equipment?
At this point the most realistic outcome that does not involve the total dissolution of the Ukrainian state is to trade territory for peace. Supplying even more arms to the Ukrainians is counter productive if it provides them with false hope and delays that resolution.
ESG caused this war. It gave Putin the leverage to try it.
If your emotions tell you to leave the front door open and a grizzly bear walks into your house, it isn’t “pro-grizzly bear” to tell you you’re a moron for leaving the door open and blame you for causing this.
I mean I could blame the grizzly bear…….but it’s a bear.
If you support ESG, go get sterilized immediately.
What does "winning" look like?