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Pemulis_DMZ's avatar

How exactly is the military supposed to appeal to a greater cause when, as this author himself points out, the country itself, down to its very founding, has been thouroughly villified?

I spoke in the recent article on "A Prisoner in China" on how I was a Peace Corps Volunteer (PCV) twelve years ago. In most countries where the Peace Corps operates, the vast majority of PCVs were and still are young, Ivy-league (or near to it) educated youth. Promotion of American exceptionalism was part of the job and wasn't considered an issue among the volunteers when I served in China. Flash forward ten years to 2020, and a group of Persons of Color (POC) who were part of the final group of PC China Volunteers wrote an open letter to the PC stating that the first two months of in-country training did not adequately train all PCVs to examine their own racism, and that the micro-aggressions they, the POCs, faced every day from other Volunteers made their already difficult job of representing America, a country in which they "already fear for [their] lives every day", all the more difficult. That's right, according to these PCVs, their biggest challenge in serving in China - a country that actually is ethnically supremicist and systematically racist, that actually is committing genocide - was being around the young, woke, Ivy-leage White volunteers, who were simply still just so racist that they, the POC Volunteers, could barely manage to do their job of teaching in China, a job that, because it was supposed to entail promoting American ideals, was just too traumatizing for them to continue doing unless the PC committed to incorporating CRT into every facet of PC training and operations.

The brainwashing is real and it is destroying everything.

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JMF's avatar

Thank you for your post. I agree with you 100%. I’m my opinion, the answer for all this insanity is simple. It’s up to us as individuals to set the example and act the right way by putting others needs ahead of ours. That’s it!!! And as we do this people will realize there is actually great joy in thinking of others first and see the positive effects in our homes, schools, jobs etc.... It will take a while, but one kind act at a time will turn the tide.

I promise to do something nice for someone else today (first I have to walk my dog!). I hope y’all will join me as we turn the tide together. I’m optimistic we can.

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Lee Morris's avatar

Pemulis, the brainwashing may be real as you very aptly point out. But the level of education matters. Progressivism grows like mold in major US universities. I have doubts it permeates to the ranks of young men/women barely out of high school from small town America who might be attracted to the military either short term or long term. The Ivy Leaguers you cite in your experiences, who are probably already looking forward to huge starting salaries, hardly fit the description of a person willing to exist as a private in this man's Army in order to learn a skill, trying to find a future, working for relative peanuts.

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NeverDull's avatar

Good God, that is a horrifying story. Race essentialism has done so much damage to our country.

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Richard Jaffee's avatar

Young people are less patriotic and less likely to join the military than previous generations due in part to woke ideology, political correctness, and isolationist pundits. Woke promotes a negative view of America, political correctness creates a climate of fear and self-censorship and isolationist pundits reduce pride in and the importance of America as a global superpower. This trend will likely reverse if the economy worsens making a military career more attractive or another 9-11 type attack leads to a renewed sense of patriotism and national unity.

But meanwhile, how depressing for a generation of young voters to be facing Biden or Trump as their next president.

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Thoughtful Reader's avatar

My god that’s insane! Not surrounding, but insane! These people will destroy this country (as they clearly intend to.). I fight my internal urge to delight in the phyrric victory of imagining them complaining to a real dictatorship…

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

The people who promote the idea that this country is built by slaves on stolen land and governed by a white supremacist document are enemy combatants.

Laughable that 26 Russian Facebook ads about Hillary are a dire threat but a $50 billion industry training children with talking points directly from Communist China is free speech. The teachers and professors who are indoctrinating young people with this anti-American propaganda should be marched off to prison camps.

But since we aren’t going to do that they will win and the nation will collapse. Good job everyone.

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Mark Morris's avatar

I very much like this comment. I was born in the late sixties in a very rural area with very few people of color. And while I am sure a good many harbored what we might call racist views due to mainly their ignorance, some of these people were the most decent and kind people I have ever met. If you had a flat, or ran out of gas you got a ride. The idea that a neighbor would just come over and work half a day in the hot sun for no pay was common. We need to get back to that country. Let he that is without sin cast the first stone sort of thing.

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Dave's avatar

Marjorie Taylor Greene, Joe Biden, AOC, et al are all useful idiots playing by the CCP playbook. Everyone is Woke ore anti-Woke but very few are awake to what’s going on.

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Skinny's avatar

Think the people are awake to the woke that is going on, the problem is we are paralyzed by fear to do anything about it.

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MG's avatar

How do you wrestle an octopus with a million tentacles? Maybe that's why people are just pulling their kids from public schools.

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Dave's avatar

Screaming at each other through the walls of our echo chamber apartments doesn’t work.

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Diana (Somewhere in Maryland)'s avatar

I honestly blame so much of the U.S. division on things like Ancestry and other genealogy sites. Before... we were always Americans. Now we are 10% this, 12% that and other such nonsense. I really feel like it has melted away whatever common united bond we had.

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Ashe's avatar

Actually, that’s what I find so strange about modern DEI. Or as I like to call it, DIE. They always want to know if someone’s black or white, or Asian, Hispanic or Native American. Most people need to pick multi ethnic or multi racial. It’s simply more accurate for most Americans. We aren’t quite as single race as it sometimes appears.

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nedweenie's avatar

The "Hyphenated-American" started way before the dawn of the Internoodle and modern genetics. In the 1970s, iirc. The road to today's identity divisiveness has been trod for decades.

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Greg Connolly's avatar

Hello.......that’s the Idea!

What is Herbert Marcuse writing about .

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JJoshua's avatar

You better believe the brainwashing is real. It’s started very early in the schools and continues deep into college and is pushed by the media.

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John Elway's avatar

And you can tell from Compost2.0's replies that the brainwashing is real and has lasting, idiotic effects.

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JJoshua's avatar

Yes. I used to laugh at those types of comments. The WSJ articles are filled these types. Sadly I can’t laugh anymore because the damage is too great now.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

This country is founded on "every man for himself," Sink or swim on your own, rabid individualism, don't tread on me, etc....

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Pacificus's avatar

Hope you know more about computers than you do US history, which, based on this comment, is a collection of cliches and stereotypes.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

North Korea rejects individualism.

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MG's avatar

Is your newsletter really $79.99/month?

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

LMAO no that’s a joke but I’ve probably cost myself many readers by calling it that.

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MG's avatar

I'll check it out. You're right, I wouldn't even take a look for $79.99/month.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Yes. Brilliant ovsetvation.

On one end of the spectrum: N. Korea.

On the other end of the spectrum: America.

Fascinating how you fugured that out.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Okay well I guess you have a good point that we are on the other end of the spectrum with pure individualism and maybe that’s not ideal.

We should probably try at least one government program to help people. I’m willing to compromise on that. I will let you pick. What would you like America to do for its first ever government program to help people?

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Have an outstanding point. Easy when you take off the rose-colored glasses and see things as they are. A brilliantly concise point that removes the fantasy and sees the reality.

If you acces/get benefits from such programs, you are, as Paul Ryan said: "a Taker."

You really want to keep going with this?

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Wow you rapidly capitulated.

So, yes, we clearly are *not* on the opposite end of the spectrum and we have shitloads of welfare oozing from every crevice and your assertion that we are in any way adhering to whatever ‘rugged individualism’ means was a farcical dipshit claim on your part.

That was easy.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Lol. Capitulated to nothing. Actually, do not have "shitloads of welfare" in the U.S.

Yep. In America, every man, woman and child for themselves. Equal opportunity, not equal results. Deal with it.

Nope. U.S. was founded on "rugged individualism"....for certain people, of course. And that remains the cultural ethos.

Yes, it "easy" when you claim a non-existent victory, isn't it? ;)

U.S. and North Korea are on opposite ends of the spectrum. What aren't you understanding?

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Just food stamps, just that one f**king program, is $180 billion dollars.

That is enough to give $18,000 worth of free food to 10 million people. Or, if you eat macaroni, top ramen, and tuna fish, like I did in college, then it’s $1800 for 100 million people. (but we can’t do that because it would be demeaning to the unproductive assholes who are leeching free food from their neighbors if we forced them to eat what I ate during college which was the best time of my life) So better to stick with the $18,000 number because of dignity and empathy and norms.

And that’s ONE of the programs.

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The Rogies's avatar

Kevin, there’s a very good reason why this is the case, assuming your numbers are correct and not actually higher. It’s true with the aforementioned food stamps (SNAP), TEFAP, EBT cards, Commodity Supplemental Food program, and Child & Adult Care Food Program, etc. etc. It’s also true with every government assistance program, because of the nature of what government is and how it operates.

The reason why we can’t just divvy up the $180 billion equally amongst the people of the US is NOT for any reason other than in reality, a PERCENTAGE of that money is what *actually* goes to the end-user. Most of it is consumed by bureaucrats. Administrators. See, you have to have this giant, bloated cadre of managers to push the money back and forth and they all have to have assistants and Vice-Chairman of this-or-that, and Associate Director of what-have-you, and the Under-Secretary of yadda-yadda. And all of these people absolutely must be making six figure salaries! I mean, just look at the titles!

Also, these government agencies have to employ lawyers and lobbyists. And THESE people need assistants and staffers and cube-dwellers. All of these people need offices in Washington, and that real estate is expensive! Those developers need to be paid, and all of the utilities that are consumed—well, they don’t get some kind of break; no way, that all gets factored into the cost.

Going down the org chart here, these agencies need district, then regional, then state-wide, then county-wise, then local administrators who staff the local offices where these benefits are doled out. And this army of people is comprised of employees who need things like PTO, health benefits, 401(k), and (of course because this is the government) FULL pensions, which is tax money given to them for the rest of their lives.

This pulsating behemoth has no market incentive to change, streamline, improve, reimagine, make-better, or otherwise do anything other than what it currently does and what it will always do: feed itself. The welfare state exists to provide for a permanent class of governmental bureaucrats, who can “work” in these agencies for the rest of their lives, because the justification of their parasitic existence rests upon a moral weapon wielded by cowards: whenever a sane person dares to speak up in favor of merely auditing or changing in the smallest degree these disgusting bureaucracies, the bureaucrats themselves along with everyone with a vested interest in keeping the administrative state alive will screech: “We’re HELPING THE POOR and all you want to do is DESTROY THEM!!”

They know what they’re doing. Oh, and that side effect of also creating a permanent underclass of poverty-stricken people with no drive, no esteem, no work ethic, and no prospects other than living off the system? The bureaucrats know that’s happening too, but they simply don’t give a shit.

The bureaucracy is the “Taker.” Not the individual citizen.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Houses are unaffordable because of $200k administrators who send 4 emails and then go home.

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Jay Lenner Jr.'s avatar

It’s “rugged individualism” and you need to read up on the Gadsden flag.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Can we get a "dislike" button to show our disdain for idiocy?

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Comprof2.0's avatar

I'm sorry. Isn't the U.S. founded on individual freedom, etc.

Or did I miss a meeting?

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Chris Howard's avatar

No, actually it was a concept called "liberty" which does have some features like individual freedom but it links individual freedom to personal responsibility.

less Timothy Leary, more Jordan Peterson

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Lol."Liberty" vs. "Freedom"

Yes, quite the tangential opposites.

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Chris Howard's avatar

It is kind of like when a company sends a man to far away place to open a branch office. That man represents the corporation, but by virtue of being remote and needing to make decisions on the ground, he has more autonomy. As Mr Moore says, there is a vision of common purpose which is to maintain and improve the unity and felicity of the whole.

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Chris Howard's avatar

And, up until recently that was the reasoning behind things like the "welfare state" and other government allocated benefits -- that the unity is advanced by taking care of those who need a bit of help, and that is balanced with the ability and willingness of the fortunate to pay.

But now the unfortunate demand and the fortunate resist, and instead of arguing things out in debates and subtle legislation we just shout, dox and burn things.

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Chris Howard's avatar

I am of the fortunate and tend to flourish in libertarian space and therefore enjoy the conservative politics which go along with that. It has been distressing to me that Mr. Trump in particular has brought the shout dox and burn philosophy into the conservative arm of our political rainbow. Someone needs to be a grown-up and the usual grown-ups have abdicated.

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Robert Moore's avatar

E Pluribus Unum, limited government and the self-reliance of the individual! This does not mean that we "go it alone" but, rather, that we share a common vision in partnership with the rest.

Dividing us into separate groups and then claiming that said groups are "put-upon" by "the majority" is the stock in trade of current politics. No more "E Pluribus Unum", no more self-reliance, no more common vision!

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Nah. You go it alone. Get help from family, etc. - if you're poor it's your fault because you are immoral and are lazy.

America has always been divided and has set polices of "us" vs. "them" abd rhe separation into groups.

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Pemulis_DMZ's avatar

You mean disdain for comprof? In that case, I'm all for it though i think he would take that as just further fuel for his troll fire

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Pemulis_DMZ's avatar

Another intellectually stimulating comment from Comprof!

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Comprof2.0's avatar

It was. Perfectly defined/encapsulated the issue in a sentence.

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Pemulis_DMZ's avatar

Truly, you are an intellectual luminary!

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Thank you. I take it as evidence that you have no response/refutation that the U.S. was founded based on individual freedom and every man, woman and child for themselves (i.e. equal oportunity, not equal results)

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Pemulis_DMZ's avatar

Yes, Comprof, you win again!

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Prefer not to think of it as "winning," so much as "educating."

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LA conservative's avatar

Well said, and unfortunately very true. I now believe the only way to save “America” is to break it up. The idea of America and its aspirations are predicated on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, not geography.

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S. MacPavel's avatar

We need a new Federalist Party. There's no need to break up, we just need to get away from the increasingly unitary government that looks like it was mostly the product of an era of post-war cultural cohesion.

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LA conservative's avatar

How do we do that? I’m concerned that the Democrat strongholds have a permanent lock on elections—-look at California, New York and Illinois. Anywhere that the vote counting went 5 days past the election, even if the polls were in favor of another, the Democrat just made it over the finish line. Chicago, once my favorite city in the US, will continue to decline rapidly, as will LA, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle. And yet, those cities completely dominate their state, giving millions ZERO voice in elections. I’m all for starting new alliances, but the truth is, we may be past the point of no return for states dominated by powerful Democrat-run cities. Did you know that California, as a state, gave Donsld Trump the most number of votes out of any other state? Over 6 million. This isn’t about Trump per se, it’s about at least 6 million with no representation in government, and as far as I can see, Democrats will always “find” the votes that keep their guy in power. The LA county registrar threw out an unprecedented 30% of signatures in the Gascon recall —usually its 3%. Rigged elections are our main problem and I don’t see a way around it. I’d love for someone to figure out a way around that—all I can see is secession.

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Scotty Greene's avatar

Ah. Jefferson Davis’ ghost still stalks the land. Sad.

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Murray's avatar

Geography is important. Let's say we split into two blue coasts and some larger red center. Will each have their own border walls to keep foreigners out? Will you have to fly around around the central red states to avoid violating their air space to get from NY to LA. What if New York decides to form an alliance with Illinois and infiltrate Iowa with spies? We have been protected by our geography. You want to Balkanize us! I agree with you completely that the Idea of America and its aspirations are predicated on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Fight for that--it's not as lost a cause as you think.

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Madjack's avatar

Sorry it is a lost cause.

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Ann22's avatar

Thank you Murray! It’s not as lost a cause as many think. Those that think that often have closed their mind to seeking out a middle ground and solutions. There are many. They don’t seem to know enough about the rest of the world, or our own history, to know how hard times can get, and how long it takes to build a nation. We can work this out, we just have to want to. I think we’ve become a country of the self absorbed, and self indulgent...and on both sides of the isle and independents as well. Over six decades ago I was raised middle class, big family, and learned that alone I wasn’t anything that special, but a family, a community, a country...that was special. It was important in the connections amongst people. Now it seems everyone for themselves. It’s sad.

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Murray's avatar

Spot on Ann. There is a shocking ignorance of history, human nature, and of what can go wrong when people give up the hard work of citizenry. We clearly need to be reminded that without personal responsibility and tolerance for other viewpoints freedom is impossible.

We leaders who think "tragically" (As Robert Kaplan just discussed on an Andrew Sullivan podcast).

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S. MacPavel's avatar

If CA tries to leave, half the state will stay. Central Valley isn't going to stick with Sacramento.

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Skinny's avatar

Love your Sprit Murray!

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Well, considering blue states/areas produce 70% of U.S. GDP, I'd be for that too, if the blue areas, could be surgically removed from Red States.

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Eric Gordon's avatar

Ridiculous statement and stupid argument. Both red and blue political people need each other for various tasks and trade. Impossible to separate.

If you could theoretically separate, it wouldn’t be by state, but by who produces what. In that case, the only things of real value would be water, food, and energy and in that order...iow: farmers and oil drillers. Everyone else is superfluous fluff (myself included 😃)

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Brilliant statement/proposition.

Good, decent Red Staters can live in their area and ban all the drag queens and shoot up as much Bud Light as they want. All the godless liberals can spend their time screaming at white kids all day in school about how they're oppressors and getting gay married.

Need each other? Nah. Liberals are the cause of all the problems in America. They're the reason everything is so crappy., So, it's best that a massive relocation project take place where all the blue cities, States etc. are moved to one area of the country.

Lol. Sorry, many more things of value than just food, water, energy. What do you think this is Mad Max?

Absolutely could separate by state/land. Production is irrelevant.

Yep. Blue states have plenty of food, water, energy, etc. Plus when all those wealthy blue pockets are moved, even better.

Lol. If Red States had all this amazing stuff, and were such the backbone, why are they only at 30%?....playing the long game?

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Eric Gordon's avatar

"many more things of value than just food, water, energy. What do you think this is Mad Max?"

Yes

"Blue states have plenty of food, water, energy"

Yes, but its not the "Blue people" that produce it.

"Red States ...Blue States..."

Again, its not about States, its about people within the states. California where I live is a deep blue state and produces/exports an amazing amount of food; but its not the "blue" people doing that.

I know you are trolling, but it doesn't matter, yes, both political persuasions need each other for various reasons. Its a stupid argument for stupid people to consider.

OK, I have run out of troll food...be gone

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Comprof2.0's avatar

You're right. It's undocumented immigrants. Lol.

Blue people farm, too ;)

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LA conservative's avatar

Actually, federal funding is what boosts their GDP.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Actually, no. Red States are the welfare states that dependent on federal dollars.

Lol... yeah 70% GDP comes from federal funding.

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LA conservative's avatar

California is the state that receives the most federal funding in real dollars, because it is the largest welfare state in the country. Aside from that, red states would thrive because at this moment large corporations are moving to red states, and if they had to choose—in the case of a separation—if they are not receiving special treatment from the party in power—they would choose the free market AND law and order. If you’ve been paying attention, business are leaving blue cities, as are taxpayers. I would LOVE to see a blue country with open borders, “free” everything, govt oversight of business, speech restrictions, woke to the max, no prisons, no consequences for criminal acts—just so every Democrat can have what they’ve been clamoring for.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Red States are welfare states. 30% of GDP. Deal with it.

Yeah....Sam Brownback/Kansas....Red State dream....worked out real well, didn't it?

Yeah, no mass exodus to Red States. It'll be fine ;)

When are you packing up your U-Haul "LA Conservative?"

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Chris's avatar

And those same blue areas produce less than 25% of their food and energy. You needed to go on a diet and get more exercise anyway....

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Lol. Extrenely fit. If it weren't for CA, you'd be starving. So, try again.

I get it. If I were in your shoes, I'd probably be resentful, too.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

So all of the rich producers who don’t pay their fair share are in Democrat states with Democrat supermajorities where they could easily make them pay their fair share? But for some reason they don’t?

Interesting. Jackass.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

No. You're wrong again. See we've reached the "fling sh-t at the wall" portion of your discourse.

Your Red State is a welfare state. Suck out way more in federal tax suport than contribute.

Jackass.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

The money that red states take is from the federal government.

You actively lobby for this, you moron.

If you’re tired of it then vote for Democrats to run your state and Republicans to run the federal government. That will fix the alleged problem that you are dishonestly complaining about because you are a bad faith scumbag.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Don't lobby for anything. You don't know what I vote for, moron.

Not "tired" of it at all. Think it's funny that all the "dumb liberals" seem to have better income, better health outcomes, higher education, etc, moron.

Not my fault they're welfare states. What are they suppossed to get some special privileges? The stupid Electoral College system should be good enough.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

“You don't know what I vote for, moron.”

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I’ve never seen a clearer sign that the other person knows I won the argument. Cackling.

😂😂😂

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Lol. Who used/hurled the insult "moron" first, you or me? :)

Cackling.

Keep trying. You haven't won an argument since the day I joined this right-wing echo chamber.

Or maybe you want to go back to how slavery made America worse than it would have been? ;)

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Chris's avatar

Your scarfing hot pockets in your mom's basement. And the agricultural portions of CA that you're referring to are all conservative; but I guess that's where you're trying to be cute with "blue states or AREAs". Figures lie and liars figure. That's you.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

No. Don't like hot pockets. Own my own home as well as property in Costa Rica and Panama.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Wouldn’t be difficult at all to ‘surgically remove’ them. It’s all financial services and tech. They aren’t producing actual products. So just have them do all their Zoom calls in California and make California a separate country. Easy.

And since the “GDP” you are bragging about is from the precise group that isn’t ‘paying their fair share’, California will be incredibly rich for 8-10 years until the government wastes it all.

You could also funnel all of the military-aged males and destitute illiterate people up through San Diego. And the rest of the border could stay closed.

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Scotty Greene's avatar

Eh tu, Brute’?

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D Smith's avatar

Blue states/areas also produce 70% of the pervs and degens.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Lol. Well, there is no data confirming that. Unfortunately, there is data confirming the other.

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Big Noise's avatar

Blue states have 70% of the nation's slackers, too.

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Patriot Ronda's avatar

Exactly what I was thinking!

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Shirley G's avatar

I would give blue states a year before they leave their hellscapes, crawling back to the red states (or trying to sneak across borders) looking for food and safety.

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Thoughtful Reader's avatar

Already happening. Check the inflows into Florida, Texas, etc.

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Tony's avatar

Yea but then the idiots that move to prosperous red states start voting for the same policies and politicians they ran from.

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publius_x's avatar

Enjoy your Soylent Green burgers.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Really? Burgers are being made of people now? Is that a woke thing?

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publius_x's avatar

When the metric tonnage of homo sapien meat outweighs cattle in your brave new Blue World... get ready for new FDA pyramid extolling the virtues of eating bugs and humans. If the government says it's good - who are we to argue?

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Lol. If it weren't for CA, you'd be starving.

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publius_x's avatar

If you think central CA isn't seceding from BayArea/Hollywood to RedUSA when the time comes, you're lying to yourself.

And one can subsist on Iowa Corn, Florida Citrus, Idaho Potatoes and Georgia Peaches, not just strawberries, almonds and asparagus.

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Ann22's avatar

In my western agricultural state, the State is heavily subsidized with fed dollars, can recall the stats. But I think it was Iowa where 40% of farm income was federal subsidies and payments. So, enough of this blue state, red state nonsense.

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publius_x's avatar

Technically Virginia is the biggest federal welfare state, with all those employees and contractors suckling the fedgov teat. Of course, that's not how people choose to define "federal welfare" It's all bullshit.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Red States are welfare states.

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Brigattista's avatar

Comprof2.0...please stop being a troll. Or at least if you're going to be a troll, say something smart. Try this little test out: if you say something funny or smart at a party, with real people and they like it, it's good to use. Otherwise it's not. And if you never get invited to parties, we all can see why.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Say plenty of smart and funny things. My comments get lots of likes. Even Nellie has like a few.

I get invited to lots of parties just not ones where people shoot up Bud Light or obsess over children's genetalia. So, that's probably why you've never seen me.

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publius_x's avatar

Bullshit. No state is a color. Only retards who vote by party affiliation determine what the chyrons look like on NBC on election night. Without "red" state soldiers, the "blue" city of Washington DC would be overrun even worse than on Jan. 6.

For every 5 "Blue" people in NY there are 4 "Red" people. But because all the "blue" people live together in the concrete jungle, good luck getting enough food and energy for all of them without asking the "red" ones for assistance.

You have a simple mind and a child-like way of looking at the world.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

No. There are Red States and Blue States as well as red sections/areas and blue sections/areas.

If it were possible to surgically remove those pockets and tansport them to another location, I'd be for that. Wouldn't you?

Nah. Have plenty of food, infrastructure, energy, technology, income generating businesses, etc.

Sure, 38-40% of the military voted for Trump, but there will need to be some efforts to increase defense against the Red State savages.

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Bobbie Douglas's avatar

And your intermittent power!

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GandalfGrey's avatar

I have doubts about that statistic.

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Pemulis_DMZ's avatar

Under what kind of economy and what system of governance did those states produce such staggering wealth?

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Timothy G McKenna's avatar

Exactly what I was going to write! Yes, NY and Massachusetts would have CA for our arugula and Brussels sprouts, but without the bounty from the “flyover states” (thank you HRC, for that ultimate in divisive epithets) they’re through.

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How much wheat and grain do the blue states produce? How much oil? Texas is the third largest citrus producer and the largest oil and gas producer.

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If the blue states are so great, how come their populaces are leaving these blue paradises of Calif, NY and other blues and going to Texas, Navada and Fla.?

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The wealth generated in the flyover states passes through the economic centers. They are likely counting profits which originate in flyover country. Oil and gas, crops, etc.

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Lol. What does Canada have to do with this? Are you assuming Canada would be interested only in trade, development, etc. with Red States?

Wind and solar is "woke."

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Oh, so you're not even American. Doesn't matter what Canadians want.

Red States don't have the intellectual capital, resources, cutting edge technology, healthy workers, etc to be viable partners. U.S. Red States are welfare states and suck out way more in federal taxes/support than they produce/contribute.

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Exceptionally bright. All the metrics of income, education, production, standard of living, health outcomes, etc. say so.

Red States are welfare states. Data proves that. Blur States/areas produce 70% of the U.S. No way around that. Deal with it.

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Unfortunately I've gotten to that point myself as well. When I was young, like when I was in the PC, I always laughed at conservatives who said things like "Obama hates America". After all, if you love something, surely you want to point out the flaws so they can be improved as opposed to just blindly loving an idea that isn't reflective of reality. Today, I genuinely find myself saying to my woke friends, just leave already! Honestly, if it's as bad as they say, that everything is rotten to its core, then for the love of god just go to the supposed paradise you think exists elsewhere (they'll make vague references to Europe, usually) or that they think, in all their wisdom, they can create after tearing down everything that makes America America.

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I agree with your concerns, except that it's starting to feel like it's us that are being forced to leave. Living in a fly by state where big cities have taken over the decisions heading toward woke. In their "wisdom" it's comply, you're wrong, you're outnumbered.

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What I find interesting is that their “supposed paradises” are almost all majority white countries.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Diversity is our strength tho.

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🙄 😂

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Right and then they’ll say it’s because of white supremacism visa vi colonialism, so if taken to the logical conclusion there isn’t a single Western nation that shouldn’t self immolate, after which surely world wide prosperity and peace is just around the corner

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I always tell these left wingnuts, if the US is such a brutal racist police state, go to the workers' paradise like Cuba CCP or North Korea.

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Chana Goanna's avatar

I blame the other PC--political correctness. That’s where this brainwashing started, and it has grown exponentially in the last decade. The members of the Frankfurt School would be thrilled to know how thoroughly they succeeded.

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I lay this problem firmly at the feet of the US hating Democrats/Marxists. Decades of them denigrating this country have indoctrinated the young into thinking the US is a tyrannical, racist morass.

A solution to the military problem is a universal draft. Everybody gets called up, no deferments. It works in Switzerland.

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If we tried to institute some kind of mandatory service there would be riots. The good news is at least some of them would go to Canada like they did during Viet Nam.

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It would never pass but it would solve our recruitment problem.

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Scotty Greene's avatar

Thank you Mr. Davis.

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No, blue states should not be pushing other states to adopt a national monoculture.

Government is for basic infrastructure and law enforcement, not cultural manipulation.

I am fine with California having abortions. They are not fine with states which abhor it and don't want it. Meddlers.

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Well...not quite. Red states are filled with women who would prefer to have a say over their own bodies which is why the Republicans lost votes after the dismantling of Roe v Wade. I'd prefer this not devolve into an abortion argument but red states are not comprised of populations aligned on every topic.

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I doubt anyone will move because they cannot get a convenient abortion nearby. A ridiculous notion. They may say they will but it will be just like AOC claiming she will sell her Tesla or Whoopie moving to Canada. Empty promises for dramatic effect only.

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No state is a monoculture but states vote on majority rules. You can protest locally much easier than nationally. You can also move if you don't like your state. Many Californians are doing just that.

Our nation has paid a heavy price for manipulating culture abroad. I resent people from other states trying to manipulate mine. Don't tread on me.

When I hear a President say "We must fundamentally change our culture" I cringe. Culture is not the business of Federal Government. It evolves naturally and cannot be changed by force.

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Hang on a minute.so you are saying that those in your state who don't agree with ypu should move to another state? But then aren't you advocating for a monoculture?

You don't want people from 'other states' 'manipulating' your state's culture but we live in the United States. That means we are a mix of cultures and can move freely between stayes so how is someone thinking and voting differently to you 'treading' on you?

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Ok, so you are one of those guys.

I don't trust you to debate honestly based upon this reply, which attempts to put words in my mouth.

Moving to another state is an option. No judgement from me whether or not they should. They can also become active in government, run for office, etc.

The rest of your post is salad. Makes no sense at all.

Try reading what I wrote and come back if you want honest discussion.

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The original point is your wrongly assuming that draconian and life threatening bans on abortion are advocated for by all in a red state. Not so. All women, including a vast number of conservatives would far rather have access to safe, insirance- covered abortion than go back to wire hangers and ingesting poison out of desparation. I was reminding you that you don't speak for all women. In fact, you don't and shouldn't speak for any women. I mean the biological ones at least.

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Maybe women and men could go back to being more selective and less promiscuous. If their were no birth control they would, and society might return to a more natural state of being.

Birth control creates a very unnatural hormonal cycle. Men suffer with the consequences. So do children. PMS is nature's way of casting off a mate when mating does not result in a fertilized egg. The unnatural recuurance of monthly PMS is the number 1 cause of family strife and subsequent divorce.

No, males are not disqualified from studying and understanding female reproductive biology. If they were there would be no male gynecologists.

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Your opinion is duly noted.

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William Daly's avatar

When I was in the service during the Vuetnam War, ir was regularly emphasized that we all were one color; green; and that we all bled red. The meaning of E Pluribus Unun, From Nany One; was also explained to us . Sadly, those days appear to be gone forever.

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I think diversity can be a great strength but it makes a shared set of ideals all the more important. America as the great melting pot can only work if we all agree that it is a country worth fighting for, a country to be greatful to be a part of. You take away patriotism and pride in our founding principles and you're left with division and tribalism, people fighting over the scraps.

"A Republic, if you can keep it"

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Lynne Morris's avatar

It is the melting part that is essential.

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TxFrog's avatar

Several decades ago the indoctrinators changed "melting pot" to "stew pot" where parts are mixed but retain their original flavor. That has brought an end to an American culture. It has benefited only the race hustlers who profit by setting groups of people against each other. I don't know if we can ever repair that damage, certainly we will not so long as the indoctrinators are in power.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Well therein lies the problem. A melting pot is used to combine metals , with their individual strengths and weaknesses, into a stronger alloy.

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MG's avatar

I've heard "melting pot" referred to as a tossed salad.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

You could not be more wrong. America is a nation. Our culture and history is unique.

But there are powerful forces trying to accomplish what you claim. And you are a sad example of their success.

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Greg Connolly's avatar

But he is making Points!.

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nedweenie's avatar

The answer nowadays seems to be Toxic Femininity. Everyone gets a trophy! No bullying! It's nice to share! Nobody wants to be perceived as a discriminatory meanie who withholds trophies or tolerates bullying. Despite the fact that those have their uses and benefits for order, excellence and balance.

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nedweenie's avatar

Pro tip: If ya click on the three dots next to REPLY under your posted comment you can edit it.

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nedweenie's avatar

System failure? Say it ain't so! LOL.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

We are in complete agreement on that score. I stand by Theodore Roosevelt's statement on what it means to be an American. I stands the test of time.

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